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#2538995 23 man roster set... say hi to your 2014/15 Wings

Posted by Nev on 08 October 2014 - 12:52 AM

Weak. Holland just took the easy way out again. New season, same frustrating rhetoric.


This.  Very, very disapointing.


After the last 2 years of only just scraping into the playoffs with a point or two to spare, one would hope we'd learn our lesson and ice the best possible roster from day 1. 


2 points in October are worth just as much as 2 points in April.  And like others have said, this kind of crap is exactly what will force Babs out.

#2538993 Kindl on the block

Posted by Nev on 08 October 2014 - 12:41 AM

I remember a rather extensive period of time here when half the people on this forum were as high or higher for Kindl as they seem to now be for Ouellet. But heading to the NHL and having to face that level of competition and pressure while continuing to grow is no easy task. I hope Ouellet works out a lot better, and he very well could and probably should, but I won't be shocked if he doesn't. We've seen days like this before, and we'll see them again. Prospects, no matter how promising, are just prospects until they prove they can really do it at the NHL level. You just can't put all your faith in them unless you're fine getting burnt at least half the time if not more. 



Thing is, Kindl always had question marks over his play in the AHL, I remember he was -33 or somesuch one year, and he never put up big numbers like Kronwall did despite being an "offensive" defenceman.  His NHL career is pretty much what could be predicted from his play in the minors.


Oullet is 21 and playing like a man already.  People are high on him for a reason.  Not to mention we have 5 (FIVE!) top D prospects who all run out of waiver exemption in 2 years, at the same time.  We need to start feeding them into the NHL now, as and when they become ready.


And if we can't trade Kindl for a 7th and eating half his salary, then waive him, maybe we'll get lucky and someone will pick him up.  If not, he'd be a good 3rd pairing defenceman in Grand Rapids.

#2538678 Holland interview with Mickey comment about a trade

Posted by Nev on 07 October 2014 - 01:12 AM

Aha I forgot about his font.

You know who I miss a ton? Crymson. I think he disappeared when this last bunch of knuckle heads rolled in. That guy was my daily Xanax bar. Come back Crym!


He still posts on HFboards, but he's changed.  Whereas he was Hollands biggest defender, he is now Hollands biggest critic.  He's like a jilted lover - all the energy and aggression he poured into defending Holland is now directed at attacking Holland.




Wasn't Eva the Hudler lover? maybe you'll find him/her on the Flames board.

Yes he was.  He also had a completely irrational hatred of Mark Messier that I never managed to get to the bottom of.



Haven't been here long enough, so I don't know anything about these guys but personally I never get too attached to arguments on a forum. I don't care if others think that I'm a debbie downer or whatever, I always try to keep a realistic approach, if others prefer to take the more optimistic thing that's fine also.


I mean after all, the forum would be pretty boring and low activity if everyone agreed with everyone right ? I've been on such a forum for 1 month (mods kicked everyone, who didn't share their view of not only hockey but also other non hockey stuff) and the funniest part was those so called "mods" where all from hockey-teams which existed  for less than 9 years ! so basically plastic clubs.


You'd have loved it Grimey, endless threads on why the Wings aren't tough enough and need more fighters.  Huge, long, threads with the same posters going round and round arguing the same points with all posters identified as pro or anti-fighting (except we were never anti fighting, we were anti-goons who contribute nothing else, but that was always ignored).  Cheerleader in chief for the pro-fighting camp was the delightfully named E.S.A.D. who regarded himself as a balanced and tolerant poster, and would always preface his attacks on the anti-fighters with something like "I know you guys can't help it, you're all euro pinko commie homo veggies, and its not your fault that you lack the intelligence to appreciate my argument, I really do understand that" and thought that made him a fair guy who saw both sides of the argument :D  Anyone who disagreed with him had clearly never worn skates or been to a game ;)

#2538573 Holland interview with Mickey comment about a trade

Posted by Nev on 06 October 2014 - 02:55 PM

I think the issue is that some people act like the Legwand deal represents Holland's career personified. Like the guy can't be trusted to make another trade or run his team. That's the issue for me anyway. There weren't nearly as many theads and posts praising Holland in 08 as there have been ones bashing him this summer and so far this fall. I know it's the nature of sports and sports fans, but I grow weary.
Case in point.

Well I wasn't on the forum in 08, but I suspect that there weren't too many people complaining about anything that season.  So I'd be really shocked if there were a bunch of Holland bashing threads back then.  In general my guess is that when the team is bad, people complain.  And when the team is good, they praise...Mike Babcock. 

You would be wrong. 2007-8 was one long bitchfest, mainly about how the team was too soft to compete in the playoffs. When people weren't bitching about the lack of fighters, there were endless threads about our sucktacular goaltending as Hasek and Osgood fanboys took turns in deriding the other goaltender as an over the hill fruitcake, or as never good enough in the first place.

The month of February saw us decimated by injuries, with a 1st pairing of Lilja-Lebda. Nevertheless, the associated slump in results was proof positive for all the Chicken Lickens that the team was not good enough to win the cup.

Trade deadline day was an orgy of Holland hate. The announcement of the Stuart trade, coming after the deadline had passed, meant that the outright fury was only quelled down to a sullen, grudging "OK , I guess that'll do", but prior to that not even the Cleary re-signing generated so much HOLLAND YOU SUCK!!!!

Being 3-0 up against the Stars and them coming back to 3-2 was further proof positive that this team wasn't good enough to win the cup.

Not to mention, we had Eva Unit Zero and his always entertaining mental gymnastics bemoaning the under utilisation of Jiri Hudler, and how Hudler was a better player than Messier etc etc, if only we used Hudler more.....

Finally, we had Mindfly. If you weren't here for it, it would be hard for you to understand just how overwhelmingly negative he was. Every loss, every goal against, every shot against, every icing, every lost faceoff was evidence of what a truly terrible team we had, how Holland should be fired, and the whole team traded for prospects and picks. After every loss he would pop up, preaching his gospel of doom and gloom. Thankfully we won a lot that year. I think us winning game 6 in Pittsburgh was probably the worst night of his life.

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#2537801 Are the wings underrated?

Posted by Nev on 30 September 2014 - 01:23 AM

Put is this way last year


1)  We were riddled with a completely ridiculous amount of injuries


2)  Howard had one of his worst seasons as a Wing


3)  We didn't ice the best possible team for much of the year because we were crippled by terrible roster decisions


And yet we were still an 8th seed.


So imagine if this year


1)  Injuries are at a reasonable level


2)  Howard plays like he did in 2013


3)  Cleary/Kindl/Lashoff don't keep more deserving players off the roster


Like Kliq says, I think we are easily capable of being a 4-6 seed.  And if Holland ever makes a trade for a RHD........

#2537799 Ericsson/Smith Day-to-Day with groin/hip flexor issues

Posted by Nev on 30 September 2014 - 01:15 AM


It all seriousness, what does that have to do with this?


LGW in-joke.


Anyway, as Euro-Twins said, this is just standard pre-season fare.  Holland and Babs warned us to expect pulled groins, and that they were going to be more cautious than usual with them this year.

#2536930 9/22/14 7:00 PM. Preseason GDT - DET 2 @ PIT 1

Posted by Nev on 23 September 2014 - 01:05 AM

Woke up this morning, first thing I thought was "wonder how the Wings did?". Second thing I thought was "I wonder who got injured?" :(

#2536692 Barry Trotz Wants Ovechkin to be more like Yzerman

Posted by Nev on 21 September 2014 - 02:30 AM

Yzerman was a center.  Russian wingers aren't known for defensive play, nor should they.  Yzerman was already past 30 when he started winding down offensively to play more defense.   


Ovechkin's job is to score goals, play hard and lead by example.  You don't have to be great defensively to be an effective player or a good leader.    


He doesn't have to be great defensively, but do you think he could at least try to be average?  He does the Controller Disconnected thing all over the ice, all the time.


Regarding Mogilny, the Devils used him on their checking line at the end of his career.

#2536612 Training Camp Thread

Posted by Nev on 19 September 2014 - 02:14 PM

Miller-Glendening-Callahan could be a great fourth line.

In the AHL maybe. I'd rather see Miller - Helm - Abdelkader, since that would mean our top 3 lines are full of quality.

#2536176 Nice article on Mantha

Posted by Nev on 14 September 2014 - 03:28 AM

I've said it before, but I really want Mantha on Pavel's wing.  Throughout his junior career, people have complained that he doesn't dominate play - Malik even complained about it after the first prospects game (after he scored 2 goals :lol: ).  Those who watch him closely say this is because his style of play doesn't involve chasing round the O-zone, but rather waiting for the puck to come to him and then taking advantage.  Rather like Brett Hull used to be with Pav - hanging round the slot while the kids mucked around in the corners, the puck would suddenly come free and there was an open Brett Hull firing a shot on net.


Sounds like Mantha has the shot, and the awareness (and the size, and the skating) to be a perfect foil to Pav.

#2534864 Datsyuk or Fedorov?

Posted by Nev on 24 August 2014 - 02:38 AM

Euro_Twins....if you are purely looking at stats, I don't think Datsyuk has a chance at the Hall at all at this point.  804 points in 824 is good enough?  Don't think so.  Lindros has 865 points in 760 games and has a Hart and Pearson...he's not in.


My personal starting discussion point used to be 1,000 points AND over 1 ppg.  Anything less than that would be very difficult, but there would be exceptions (e.g. several high end trophies)


GMR has nailed it.  If that is your criteria, then only a handful of players drafted during the Bettman era will make the HOF.  One only has to look at the list of total NHL points, I think Thornton is the highest ranked Bettman era player and he was something like 37th last time I checked.  The list is dominated by guys drafted in the 70s and 80s.  Under your criteria, all the accumulators who played in the 80s will get in ahead of the superstars of the 21st century, which is just wrong. 


Plus Pav's points can't be looked at in isolation, the guy won 3 consecutive Selke's whilst averaging 92 points and winning a cup.  He's a top-10 all time defensive forward.  Throw in his jaw dropping playstyle and he is just a unique player.

#2534314 Hockey 101: Zone exits for wingers

Posted by Nev on 15 August 2014 - 01:00 PM

Is this a thread where all of LGW is in agreement on our problems moving the puck?  The inability of our D to make a pass under pressure?  The number of board battles our wingers lose in their own zone?  The lack of righties?  Check, check and check.


Quincey is the king of passing the puck into his partners skates, Kindl won't take a hit to make a play.  Smith got a lot better when he was taken away from Quincey and gained the confidence to start skating the puck out of the zone.  Lashoff just chips it out (the "safe" play) which means the puck just comes straight back at us.

#2533406 Samuelsson signs new contract....... with Djurgarden.

Posted by Nev on 31 July 2014 - 05:54 AM


Are you currently dating Mark Mowers by any chance?


In a menage a trois with Matt Ellis.


After breaking up with Brad Norton.

#2532362 Callahan and Nestrasil re-signed

Posted by Nev on 17 July 2014 - 03:33 PM

Well, Kenny sure has had a great off season for the Griffins.

#2531132 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Nev on 10 July 2014 - 04:05 PM

A  1 year deal for 500k would have been a terrible signing.  


This?  This is bad beyond words.