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#2423284 Jonathan Ericsson - should we consider trading him?

Posted by Nev on 29 June 2013 - 03:09 AM

Only if it was part of a package for that fabled top-pairing defenceman we're looking for.




#2423283 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by Nev on 29 June 2013 - 03:02 AM

Let flip go. Bring in the youth.

 

Remember when Flip was the youth?  Remember when he put put up 70 points in GR and everyone was all over Babcock and Holland for not playing him enough?  Now he's greedy and one-dimensional and useless

 

Remember when Hudler was the youth?  Remember when he put up 96 points in GR?  Remember how everyone was all over Babcock and Holland for not playing him enough?  Now he's greedy and one-dimensional and useless and lazy.

 

Remember when Kopecky was the youth?  Remember when he put up 72 points in GR?  Remember how everyone was all over Babcock and Holland for not playing him enough? (well, OK, its was just Eva ;) )  Now he's just useless.

 

Remember when Kronwall was the youth?  Remember when he put up 53 points in GR?  Remember when he was Nick Jr?  Now he's useless and can't defend, and a turnover machine and not a #1 defenceman.

 

Remember when Smith was the youth?  Remember how 12 months ago he was LOCK for the Calder on here?  Now he's the most useless defenceman in history, a Frankenstein combination of all the worst parts of Anders Ericsson, Max Kuznetzov, Matthieu Dandenault and Brett Lebda.

 

Are you spotting the pattern here?  When they're in the minors all our prospects are the next coming of Steve Yzerman and Nick Lidstrom on here.  Then they get here, and they turn into what the scouts projected (3rd line checker, 2nd line 2-way winger) and not what the LGWers predicted (Pavel Zetterberg), and LGW treats them like they're something they scraped off their shoe.

 

So good luck Nyquist.  Good luck Tatar.  Good luck Sheahan, Ferraro and Jurco.  You'd better turn into HOFers, otherwise you'll just plain SUCK!




#2422788 Should we trade our 2013 1st round pick?

Posted by Nev on 27 June 2013 - 03:18 PM

I'm definately in the "trade up" camp.  Our prospect pipeline is absolutely jammed at the minute, we don't need to trade down to get more prospects.  Use some of that stash to trade up and grab a real impact player.




#2422691 Trade/Buyout thread

Posted by Nev on 27 June 2013 - 10:13 AM

 

I still don't get this notion some people have that the organization would benefit from buying out one of its best scorers. Exactly who would replace him?

 

 

First - for how many more seasons is Franzen going to be a 25 goal scorer?  He's 33 right now.  He's got another SEVEN seasons with a $4M cap hit.  Once his production starts declining, since he contributes nothing else, how much longer does $4M stay good value for money?

 

Second - The early retirement penalties that have been brought in are a biatch.  No-one expected the likes of Franzen to see out their contracts, now if he retires early, its the Wings who get punished while he sits on his mountains of cash.

 

Third - I hate the message that Franzen sends to our youngsters.  Have a couple of half-decent seasons, sign a mega-bucks lifetime contract and coast your way into retirement

 

Fourth - As I already mentioned, we've had the best years of Franzen's contract - the years of artificially low cap hit with decent production.  The contract is only going to get worse from here on out.  If we buy him out after next season, he'll be 34 and we "only" have to pay him $12M for the remainder of his contract.

 

Fifth - We have lost MUCH worse players than Franzen over the years.  Many and more of them, and we've always been OK.  We'll survive without Franzen too.




#2422613 Horton looking 6m for 5/6 years

Posted by Nev on 27 June 2013 - 03:29 AM

These FAs need to dial back their expectations a bit... with salary cap getting across board reduction it basically equals a salary decrease vs value for all player contracts going forward.

 

No, you need to realise that mid-tier UFAs are "over-paid" under the CBA structure, and thats the way it is.  Quality RFAs are under-paid because of the punitive compensation required for even a small offer sheet (1st and 3rd for $2 to $3M! 4 x 1sts for $5M+ !!!)




#2422609 Hindsight Drafting...

Posted by Nev on 27 June 2013 - 01:43 AM

The fact remains that Holland is far more succesful in the draft than every other GM in the league, especially in the mid-rounds.

 

Some interesting analysis  http://www.coppernbl...s-draft-success

 

 

Holland torched the league overall. He was better than the league average in each section, including 7x better in the 51-100 slots and 2x or more better than the league average in the 101-200 and 201+ slots. On the far right is the expected value of top NHL players based on league average and Detroit's total picks by slot grouping. If the Wings would've been league average through the 97-05 years, they would have drafted 4 top NHL players with their 78 draft picks. Ken Holland drafted 12. He was three times better than the league and he wasn't relying on the lottery to build the Wings system. His haul during this period included: Jiri Fischer, Niklas Kronwall, Jiri Hudler, Tomas Fleischmann, Jimmy Howard, Valtteri Filppula, Johan Franzen, Kyle Quincey, Pavel Datsyuk, Henrik Zetterberg, and Jonathan Ericsson.

 




#2422378 Howard a top 6-8 goalie?

Posted by Nev on 26 June 2013 - 03:25 AM

Holland as much as said the other day that Mrazek will be in Grand Rapids until his waiver exemptions are gone. That is 3 years from now, he'd rather him playing 60 games in Grand Rapids than playing 20 in Detroit.

 

 

That's not quite what he said.  He said Gustavsson was under contract next season and they would rather Mrazek played 60 games in the AHL  at this moment.

 

Depending on their play in 13-14, decides their destinies in 14-15.  If Gustavsson turns into Conklin 2.0, and Mrazek has the traditional struggles with the "difficult 2nd album" then Mrazek stays inthe AHL.  Mrazek continues his improvements and Monster does nothing ,then Mrazek will be backing up Jimmeh in 2 years time.

 

Hopefully the latter.  I don't want to see Jimmeh keep playing 60-odd games per season and being ground into dust by Babcock.




#2421217 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by Nev on 21 June 2013 - 01:51 PM

backchecks, and scores enough to be effective to the money he is paid.

 

Effective to the money he WAS paid, and that's the key.

 

I am hard pressed to say I know what it is, hes an okay top 6 winger, a sub-standard top 6 center, and an above average #3 center. His defense is above average, but not exceptional, his ability to hit/use his body is poor, his skating is average, his playmaking is above average, but again, not exceptional, and hes too pass first for him to be called anything but a blow average goal scorer.

 

Say what now?  Flip is an exceptional skater.  A couple of years ago Babcock called him the best skater on the team.

 

He's been a good player for us.  His skating, his playmaking, his defensive play.  He was huge in the '08 run, shutting down Malkin in the finals.  But now, via the vagaries of the CBA he's about to be way overpaid and its time to say farewell.  Lets not berate him for not being Pavel Zetterberg, like this place is so fond of doing to anyone who doesn't play at a HOF level.  He was a decent middle 6 forward at a good price, be happy with that.




#2421149 Brunner Contract Talks

Posted by Nev on 21 June 2013 - 12:48 AM

Emdog is well liked by teammates and the coaches.

 

Not as much as Andersson is like by the head coach, and he's the one that matters the most.




#2421148 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by Nev on 21 June 2013 - 12:46 AM

 

The guy is one of the best players on the team. Very underrated, drafted and developed in house. If he won't take 3.5-4 million, then gonna have to let him go. Letting Hudler go was a HUGE mistake, and it will be a HUGE mistake to let Flipulla go too. The Red Wings waste so much cap space on people who don't even play, they can afford to overpay a player by a million here or there.

 

In a cap world, letting Hudler go was not a mistake, it was precisely the right thing to do.  And in a cap world, letting Filpulla go is also absolutely the right thing to do.  Flip is now an UFA, and UFAs are overpaid, because desperate GMs sign them to desperate contracts, driving up the price of UFAs everywhere.  Over-paying for role/depth players is the cardinal sin of the cap world.

 

I like Flip, I've always liked him, and I've always defended him.  He's been a good player for us, but now is the right time to let him go.  He's going to get $4-5M a year from some GM, and with our pipeline of good, young, CHEAP, prospects we can afford to let him go.




#2421076 Flyers to buyout Briere

Posted by Nev on 20 June 2013 - 04:03 PM

Nothing against him, but stay away from Briere please. Wings are going to get younger, bigger Briere doesn't match the new direction.

 

The Flyers are really handeling their players like crap at some point this will come back and haunt them.

It already came back and haunted them when they missed the playoffs.  Honestly, all the Wings fans who want to fire Holland + Babs, who want to trade/waive/buyout everyone who isn't' Pav or Hank, who want to sign every FA under the sun - take a looong hard look at Philly (and NYR).  

 

Throwing players at the wall and seeing who sticks just doesn't work.  Philly management, fans and media have yet to work that out.  No roster stability or continuity, a couple of random playoff runs and 20 years of underachievement.




#2421020 NHL considering ban on spin-o-rama in shootout..

Posted by Nev on 20 June 2013 - 11:51 AM

10 mins of 4on4 first please.




#2420767 Grand Rapids Griffins Win Calder Cup! 5-2 win in game 6

Posted by Nev on 19 June 2013 - 12:53 AM

Just awesome.  What a great experience for our young guys.




#2420227 Which UFA would help the Wings the most?

Posted by Nev on 17 June 2013 - 12:29 AM

Horton is awesome. Boston will not let him go, so cancel plans for him.

 

Boston have 18 players signed for next year with only $4M cap space.  Rask is an RFA, and 2/3 of their line-up have NTCs .  They're going to have to do some major roster surgery to sign Rask AND Horton AND fill out their roster.




#2420137 2013 Stanley Cup Finals - Boston Bruins vs. Chicago Blackhawks

Posted by Nev on 16 June 2013 - 12:28 AM

Eddie O describing the Bruins winner is hilarious, he sounds like someone shot his dog :lol: