Honestly, the ridiculous standards that some Wings fans hold up for number retirement these days, we'd better un-retire Lindsay, Delvecchio and Abel, because they don't qualify. Hell, even Yzerman, he's not all-NHL all-time quality, so he doesn't count either. Just Sawchuk, Howe and Lidstrom it is.
IMO, Datsyuk is a yes. 4 more seasons and he will be ~1050 points, more than Ullman, Lindsay, Fedorov, Abel etc and good for 5th all time in Wings scoring (only Howe, Yzerman, Lidstrom and Delvecchio will have more)....throw in (at least) 3 Selkes, 4 Lady Byngs, 2 Stanley Cups and an incredible human-highlight-reel style of play and I don't see how you can say no.
Zetterberg is going to be borderline. A lot depends on how his health holds up, and what he achieves in the 2nd half of his career. He could easily accumulate 1000+ points, but he might need a bit more silverware.
Fedorov, by any measure should be straight up there.............except for the manner of his departure. That was one reason why I hoped he would come back late in his career, so he could have a rapproachment with the fans/management. Hopefully he'll appear in one of the legends games at the WC to begin his rehabilitation.
Anyway, what impresses me the most is that only 2 teams average more than 41 wins per season, Jersey @ 43.6 and us at a whopping 47.7. An average of 48 wins per season, over 22 seasons? That's just insane.
This is LGW, so anything short of going 82-0-0 and then a 16-0 run to the cup, coupled with a league record in fighting majors and trading Cleary for the 1st overall pick in 2014 will be an unmitigated disaster which can only be resolved by the instant dismissal of Holland and Babcock
I must confess this feels really weird. Alfredsson WAS the Ottawa Senators. I've just been over to their board and its sack-cloth and ashes time. Imagine how we'd feel if a 40 year old Lidstrom had signed with the Kings because he felt he had a bettwe chance of a cup?
Seems bizarre reasoning to me, they're in a similar situation to us - 7/8 seed with some good kids coming through mixed with a few star players. Are our chances of a cup really that much greater than the Sens?
Boston are hell to play against because they have a lot of good players. That some of them are big and tough is just gravy. People make the same mistake about the 07 Ducks - they were good because they had a lot of good players and had at least 1 HOF defenceman on the ice for 50 minutes a night, not because George Parros was on the 4th line.
"They remain in talks with Daniel Cleary and Damien Brunner...Brunner is looking for around $2.5 million...in a multi year deal."
Man, if that's true, there is absolutely no excuse to not sign him. 3, 4, 5 years, its doesn't matter. $2.5M is peanuts, if Brunner doesn't work out and becomes Leino 2.0 he can still be easily traded/bought out because its such a tiny cap hit.
Dammit Kenny, why are you making it so hard to defend you????
I dont want to hear it anymore. Its an assinine argument to discuss millions of dollars and whos worth what.
Proof: We had Bertuzzi, Samuelsson, Tootoo, and White RIDING THE FREAKING PINE IN THE PLAYOFFS. That's 8.5 MILLION DOLLARS doing nothing for us. NOTHING. Isn't it obvious NOW that our GM is an imbecil? So let's keep our discussions to "who benefits us more" instead of "what can we afford". Im sorry for the capgeek thread. Thats obviously not a helpful tool, as our buffoon GM only looks for loyalty points and not value.
"5 million is too steep for Lecavalier."
You had White and Sammy on the bench, so how's that?
"6 million is too steep for Horton."
You had White, Sammy, and Tootoo on the bench, so how's that?"
Is there anyone on this planet that believes healthy Bertuzzi/Sammuelsson/White/Tootoo playing in place of Nyquist/Eaves/Colo/Miller gets us by the Ducks and Blackhawks? Hell no.
So we must all come to the logical conclusion - money/salary cap is being poorly utilized. The problem is NOT that we dont have enough.
FIRE HOLLAND. HE STINKS.
You do realise that we have to have a 23 man roster, right? So you do realise that when everyone is healthy we will have 3 guys riding the pine at any time, right? And that those 3 guys are our back-ups in case of injury/loss of form, right?
Of course, we could have 3 guys who were cheaper, buy you do realise that they are likely to be much worse players, right? And that when they have to actually play they'll be worse than what we've got, right?
Or we could put 3 kids on the bench and waste away their development years by not actually playing them, but I'm sure this forum would be OK with that, right?
Its not just the price, its the term that is being asked for by these guys. Its one thing offering a guy like Clarkson a 3 year $18M contract, if he doesn't live up to it, you're not stuck with it for very long. But a 7 year $42M contract? If he reverts back to being a 15 goal scorer, you're stuck with him till 2020!. You can't trade him, cos no-one wants his contract, and you can't bury him in the minors like before.
As I've been saying for a while, there's always a desperate GM ready to make a desperate signing and "over-pay." I'm sure someone out there has already given Flip's agent the nod that he'll give him a ginagerous contract, hence his desire to hit FA.
Holmgren is desperate to keep his job. If Vinny doesn't work out, and Philly are stuck with him, what does Holmgren care? He won't be there, its someone else's problem.