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#2422609 Hindsight Drafting...

Posted by Nev on 27 June 2013 - 01:43 AM

The fact remains that Holland is far more succesful in the draft than every other GM in the league, especially in the mid-rounds.


Some interesting analysis  http://www.coppernbl...s-draft-success



Holland torched the league overall. He was better than the league average in each section, including 7x better in the 51-100 slots and 2x or more better than the league average in the 101-200 and 201+ slots. On the far right is the expected value of top NHL players based on league average and Detroit's total picks by slot grouping. If the Wings would've been league average through the 97-05 years, they would have drafted 4 top NHL players with their 78 draft picks. Ken Holland drafted 12. He was three times better than the league and he wasn't relying on the lottery to build the Wings system. His haul during this period included: Jiri Fischer, Niklas Kronwall, Jiri Hudler, Tomas Fleischmann, Jimmy Howard, Valtteri Filppula, Johan Franzen, Kyle Quincey, Pavel Datsyuk, Henrik Zetterberg, and Jonathan Ericsson.


#2422378 Howard a top 6-8 goalie?

Posted by Nev on 26 June 2013 - 03:25 AM

Holland as much as said the other day that Mrazek will be in Grand Rapids until his waiver exemptions are gone. That is 3 years from now, he'd rather him playing 60 games in Grand Rapids than playing 20 in Detroit.



That's not quite what he said.  He said Gustavsson was under contract next season and they would rather Mrazek played 60 games in the AHL  at this moment.


Depending on their play in 13-14, decides their destinies in 14-15.  If Gustavsson turns into Conklin 2.0, and Mrazek has the traditional struggles with the "difficult 2nd album" then Mrazek stays inthe AHL.  Mrazek continues his improvements and Monster does nothing ,then Mrazek will be backing up Jimmeh in 2 years time.


Hopefully the latter.  I don't want to see Jimmeh keep playing 60-odd games per season and being ground into dust by Babcock.

#2421217 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by Nev on 21 June 2013 - 01:51 PM

backchecks, and scores enough to be effective to the money he is paid.


Effective to the money he WAS paid, and that's the key.


I am hard pressed to say I know what it is, hes an okay top 6 winger, a sub-standard top 6 center, and an above average #3 center. His defense is above average, but not exceptional, his ability to hit/use his body is poor, his skating is average, his playmaking is above average, but again, not exceptional, and hes too pass first for him to be called anything but a blow average goal scorer.


Say what now?  Flip is an exceptional skater.  A couple of years ago Babcock called him the best skater on the team.


He's been a good player for us.  His skating, his playmaking, his defensive play.  He was huge in the '08 run, shutting down Malkin in the finals.  But now, via the vagaries of the CBA he's about to be way overpaid and its time to say farewell.  Lets not berate him for not being Pavel Zetterberg, like this place is so fond of doing to anyone who doesn't play at a HOF level.  He was a decent middle 6 forward at a good price, be happy with that.

#2421149 Brunner Contract Talks

Posted by Nev on 21 June 2013 - 12:48 AM

Emdog is well liked by teammates and the coaches.


Not as much as Andersson is like by the head coach, and he's the one that matters the most.

#2421148 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by Nev on 21 June 2013 - 12:46 AM


The guy is one of the best players on the team. Very underrated, drafted and developed in house. If he won't take 3.5-4 million, then gonna have to let him go. Letting Hudler go was a HUGE mistake, and it will be a HUGE mistake to let Flipulla go too. The Red Wings waste so much cap space on people who don't even play, they can afford to overpay a player by a million here or there.


In a cap world, letting Hudler go was not a mistake, it was precisely the right thing to do.  And in a cap world, letting Filpulla go is also absolutely the right thing to do.  Flip is now an UFA, and UFAs are overpaid, because desperate GMs sign them to desperate contracts, driving up the price of UFAs everywhere.  Over-paying for role/depth players is the cardinal sin of the cap world.


I like Flip, I've always liked him, and I've always defended him.  He's been a good player for us, but now is the right time to let him go.  He's going to get $4-5M a year from some GM, and with our pipeline of good, young, CHEAP, prospects we can afford to let him go.

#2421076 Flyers to buyout Briere

Posted by Nev on 20 June 2013 - 04:03 PM

Nothing against him, but stay away from Briere please. Wings are going to get younger, bigger Briere doesn't match the new direction.


The Flyers are really handeling their players like crap at some point this will come back and haunt them.

It already came back and haunted them when they missed the playoffs.  Honestly, all the Wings fans who want to fire Holland + Babs, who want to trade/waive/buyout everyone who isn't' Pav or Hank, who want to sign every FA under the sun - take a looong hard look at Philly (and NYR).  


Throwing players at the wall and seeing who sticks just doesn't work.  Philly management, fans and media have yet to work that out.  No roster stability or continuity, a couple of random playoff runs and 20 years of underachievement.

#2421020 NHL considering ban on spin-o-rama in shootout..

Posted by Nev on 20 June 2013 - 11:51 AM

10 mins of 4on4 first please.

#2420767 Grand Rapids Griffins Win Calder Cup! 5-2 win in game 6

Posted by Nev on 19 June 2013 - 12:53 AM

Just awesome.  What a great experience for our young guys.

#2420227 Which UFA would help the Wings the most?

Posted by Nev on 17 June 2013 - 12:29 AM

Horton is awesome. Boston will not let him go, so cancel plans for him.


Boston have 18 players signed for next year with only $4M cap space.  Rask is an RFA, and 2/3 of their line-up have NTCs .  They're going to have to do some major roster surgery to sign Rask AND Horton AND fill out their roster.

#2420137 2013 Stanley Cup Finals - Boston Bruins vs. Chicago Blackhawks

Posted by Nev on 16 June 2013 - 12:28 AM

Eddie O describing the Bruins winner is hilarious, he sounds like someone shot his dog :lol:

#2419881 Wings Sign Drew Miller to 3 year extension @ 1.35m/yr

Posted by Nev on 14 June 2013 - 03:11 PM

No way Cleary can re-sign.  Even if they amnesty Sammy, that still leaves us with 14 forwards assuming we re-sign Nyquist, Andersson, and Brunner.  They could waive, amnesty, or trade Emmy to make room for Cleary....but why on Earth would you make room for Cleary.  This is of course also banking on Helm being healthy next year as well.  I'm not so sure they are 100% convinced about that yet.


Why?  Because he was 2nd in points in the playoffs?  Because he's an absolute warrior?  A veteran leader on the bench and in the locker room on an increasingly young team?  Said it before, as a 13th forward, playing ~40 games, <10min per game I'd be more than happy to re-sign Cleary.


Emmerton is expendable.  With a healthy Helm he's 5th on the depth chart at centre, and if we get injuries,  Franzen and Abdelkader can centre top-six/bottom-six respectively.  Not to mention we might want to give guys like Sheahan a few games when we get injuries.  Emmerton can be waived/sent down/traded for no loss.  We got too many bodies pushing for a spot, and Emmerton just ain't good enough to cut the mustard.  Sorry kid.

#2419616 Brunner Contract Talks

Posted by Nev on 13 June 2013 - 12:33 AM

All this talk of $1.5-2M, its no wonder people slag off KH so much when they have such unrealistic expectations.  He is an UNRESTRICTED free agent.  Y'know, those guys that desperate GMs give huge contracts to?


If we can get him for $2.5M that would be amazeballs.

#2419334 Red Wings Lineups for Other Sports

Posted by Nev on 12 June 2013 - 02:00 AM

OK, here's my attempt


G:  Howard  - obvious


RB: Eaves - shortage of rightys, but works hard and good defensively

CB: Ericsson - Vidic stlye stopper centre-half

CB: Dekeyser - Ferdinand style ball playing centre-half

LB: Kronwall - Big shot and big hits, a Stuart Pearce style left back


DMC:  Andersson - sits in front of the back 4 and protects them.


MC: Nyquist - more of winger in a 4-4-2 formation, but has the skills to succeed in centre mid.

MC: Helm - energiser bunny.  Harries the opposition, wins the ball, and gives it to Hank;)

MC: Zetterberg - hard working, defensively responsible, and skilled to boot.  The ideal central midfielder


AMC: Datsyuk.  He is Messi on skates, right? 


CF: Bertuzzi.  Great for holding the ball up, bringing others into the play.

#2418780 2013 Stanley Cup Finals - Boston Bruins vs. Chicago Blackhawks

Posted by Nev on 09 June 2013 - 03:45 AM

All aboard the Bruins bandwagon!

#2418625 What would you give up for Malkin?

Posted by Nev on 08 June 2013 - 05:06 PM


Proven nothing? I don't know if you missed the playoffs this year, but for those of us who watched it saw HUGE growth in our young guys from start to finish. Nyquist was fantastic. Brunner was fantastic. Smith and Kindl struggled at times, but also had moments where they showed growth. We all know Danny D is going to be a stud and I personally believe if we had him playing we would have beaten the Hawks. 


But to say that our prospects and young guys have showed nothing is simply ridiculous. Yes, Malkin has won an MVP and has put up a ton of points. But why on God's earth would you trade away guys who showed so much growth in just these playoffs? Nyquist is going to be a stud. In 2002, when Pavel Datsyuk showed signs of brilliance, should we have traded him to get a guy like Jagr? No, because we saw that he was coming into his own, much like our young guys now. Nyquist will not be Pavel Datsyuk, but there is no reason to say that we won't be something special for years to come. Have some faith, believe in the system because when everyone wrote the Wings off this year, they just kept coming because they believe in their system. 


For most players I would agree with you.  But this is Evgeni frikken Malkin.  How often do players of that calibre become (potentially) available?  Especialy in the cap world were star players get locked up on long contracts?  If we could get him for picks and prospects I say go for it, especially because of our deep pool of prospects.  Fact is, we've almost got too many - they can't all play.  I honestly expect KH to do something this off season, whether its trading up in the 1st round, or picking off a juicy RFA, just to de-clog the pipeline.


Dats is 34, Hank is 32, Malkin is 26.  If we do a trade + sign, we get 7-8 prime years of one of the top-3 players in the game.