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#2384351 nhl.com calls Kenny the best GM

Posted by Nev on 13 April 2013 - 07:15 AM

Right.  That's kind of my point.  We've lost players left and right and we're replacing them players from the AHL.  The salary cap has been going up, those players leaving is freeing up tons of cap space and he hasn't traded for or signed, hardly anyone.  We're doing a little worse each year, our cap space is growing, our problems are increasing and Holland hasn't done anything during this time.  Again, don't get me wrong, he's done lots for the Wings over the years, but to post an article proclaiming him the best GM in the NHL when he's done very little over the past few years is bizarre.



But who is available to replace those guys?  There are very, very few quality FAs available these days.  How do you replace a guy like Lidstrom?  There is NO_ONE, not a single player, in the NHL right now who is as good as Lidstrom was.  Chara and Weber are as good as it gets, neither is in the "all-time, all-NHL" bracket like Lidstrom is, neither will hit Free Agency, and if they were available for trade, the cost would be crippling.


I do agree we are in decline - I've been saying it for several years - but even in a transitional year, we are still in a playoff spot. 


A bit of perspective.  Our big rivals from the free-spending years.  Colorado - what happened to them after Roy, Foote, Sakic, Forsberg et al retired?  They've sucked ever since.  What about Dallas after Modano, Belfour, Zubov etc went?  They've sucked.  What happened to us after we lost Yzerman, Fedorov, Shanahan, Larionov, Hull, Robitaille etc?  Ken Holland went out and built another Stanley Cup roster.  And now most of that roster has retired or left and he's rebuilding the team again.  How many GMs out there have sucessfully rebuilt Cup winning rosters? Lou Lamoriello, and uh, I think thats about it.


DeKeyser was practically wearing a Wings jersey to Toronto to be pawed at by the other suitors.  The kid wanted to be a Wing from the start, all Kenny had to do was not screw it up.  It's not like Kenny could've been outbid for him by other GMs due to the entry level contract because you know he probably would have been.  I'm glad we got DK but he basically jumped into Kenny's lap.


As I've said before, if he gets the blame for Suter's wife and Parise being from Minnesota, he sure as hell gets the credit for DelKaiser being from Michigan

#2383725 nhl.com calls Kenny the best GM

Posted by Nev on 12 April 2013 - 02:51 PM

Not to beat up on Holland because overall I do think he's a good GM, but I wonder about the timing of this article.  Aside from calling up players from the minors and signing our own guys, he's really done nothing over the past 3 years.  So while every other team in the league makes trades and signs big name free agents, Holland's been "standing pat" and watching the team get knocked out of the playoffs earlier and earlier and is now clinging to the final playoff spot this year.  So while he's done a lot for our franchise over the years, I'm not sure what he's done these past three years that would justify giving him the top GM honors.


Have you seen the list of players we've lost to retirement and free agency the last 3 years?  Lidstrom, Rafalski, Osgood, Holmstrom, Draper, Maltby have all hung up the skates.  That's 22 stanley cup rings by my count, including one all time great and a couple of borderline HOFers.  3 of our "Big 5", plus our starting goaltender from the Stanley Cup year have gone.  Throw in the loss of Hudler and Stuart.  Did I miss anyone? 


And yet we're still in a playoff spot, whilst rebuilding our pipeline to its highest level in 20 years.

#2382803 ESPN: The 7 deadly sins of roster construction

Posted by Nev on 10 April 2013 - 03:04 PM

The usage of this quote was clever at first. Several thousand uses later, it is getting very tiresome, even more so because it comes up in almost every single thread about the team.


This I agree with


If you dislike this iteration of the Wings so much, then go cheer for another team.


This not so much.

#2382796 Why do you cheer for the Red Wings?

Posted by Nev on 10 April 2013 - 02:51 PM

In 1992 I came across the pond to study chemistry at the University of Toledo. I had a passing intrest in hockey already, so I started following the Wings, who everyone at that time still called the "Dead-things".  Luckily they had a bunch of great young players, were exciting to watch, and my first game at JLA was a 5-1 defeat of the Canucks - some rookie by the name of Dallas Drake had 2 goals and an assist ;)


I came back home, suffered through the NJ and Colorado defeats, then watched them win in '97 on a Sunday afternoon at my girlfiends parents house in Australia.  Came back to England again, watched them win in the middle of the night in '98 in my bedroom with the sound turned right down :D 

#2381481 time to trade filppula?

Posted by Nev on 07 April 2013 - 06:51 AM

I wonder if they'll be able to trade his rights on draft day to move up in the 1st round?  Our 1st + Flip for, say, Edmontons 1st?  Get to move up ~ 10 places in the draft.

#2381318 Concerned - we might not make it in to the playoffs

Posted by Nev on 06 April 2013 - 03:37 AM

Draft well? Nill admitted that drafting Pavel wasn't some stroke of drafting acumen, but in fact dumb luck. As Mickey says 5 times a game 'Sometimes its better to be lucky then to be good'. For every gem you give me I can show you how other teams have done the same, maybe not with 6th or 7th round picks, but with picks after the 2nd round (which just about every scout will admit anything after the 60th pick is a crap shoot). 


Once is an accident.  Twice is a coincidence.  Three times is a trend.

#2380166 All about puck possession?

Posted by Nev on 04 April 2013 - 11:23 AM

Well, duh.  "Teams that score more than the opposition win the most"


I haven't figured out how we can correlate that to how Holland should be fired for not making any trades, but I'm sure it won't be long before someone enlightens me.

#2378806 An interesting point about our apparent deadline strategy

Posted by Nev on 02 April 2013 - 04:01 PM

I love it - one thread bemoaning Hollands passivity.  Another thread praising it.


Man, this board is getting as bi-polar as our team.  I haven't seen it split like this since the Great Enforcer Wars of 4-5 years ago.

#2378733 Stars trade Jaromir Jagr to Bruins

Posted by Nev on 02 April 2013 - 02:24 PM

I disagree. Jagr is the leading scorer on Dallas, and has more points than all but two of our players this season. The two prospects will likely never play in the NHL, so they are not worth very much. Picks are also not worth much, as they are also very unlikely to generate an NHL player.


Every premium player, Jagr, Meester, Iginla, have so far been traded away for nothing. The prices are rock bottom.


I agree, compared to last year when the likes of Quincey + Gaustad were going for 1st round picks, trading a 2nd (likely ~ 50th overall) and 2 middling prospects for a superstar HOFer who can still play seems like a pretty good deal to me.  And lets not forget we have absolute log-jam of average to good prospects at forward, some of them will have to be traded away, just to make some room for the rest


And all those calling Jagr a 42 year old - yep, a 42 year old with 3 more goals than anyone else on our team.  Lidstrom was still pretty good at 42 ISTR.

#2376191 Wings sign D Dan DeKeyser to 2-year deal

Posted by Nev on 29 March 2013 - 05:37 PM

Well, it did kinda help that he was FROM Michigan. If he wasn't, I'm too sure he signs here. But who knows...

Good signing nonetheless. 


Yeah, well if its Hollands fault that Parise and Suter's wife are from Minnesota, then Holland can get the credit for DeKeyser being from Michigan, y'know ;)

#2375763 Mikael Samuelsson

Posted by Nev on 29 March 2013 - 03:50 AM

My money is on Irishshock ;)  If Sammy sticks to his modus operandi, his goal will be a last minute winner in the 3rd game after stinking the joint out :lol:

#2375256 Red Wings should pursue Jagr

Posted by Nev on 28 March 2013 - 03:10 PM

Dude has 14 goals, thats 3 more than anyone on our team.  $4.5M is nothing, we've got tons of space.  I would love it if we coudl get him (he might well cost more than Morrow did though, despite being a potential rental).


As others have said, gives us 2 legit PP units if we could get him.

#2375056 Iginla Traded to Pittsburgh

Posted by Nev on 28 March 2013 - 11:19 AM

The cap is an excuse.  We did fine under the cap up until the last two years.  2010 was derailed by injuries, but was still a good team.  Everything after that was just complacency.  


No, the cap is a reality.  As was Lidstom, Rafalski, Draper, Maltby and Holmstrom growing old and retiring.  As was Stuart wanting to move back west to be with his family.  Nothing Kenny could have done about that - and don't give me the old "he should have done more to prepare for their retirements" BS.  Players with 3 and 4 Stanley Cup rings don't grow on trees, and to lose 5 of them in just a couple of years, plus other FA losses and still be competetive?  How many other teams do you seriously think could survive having their hearts ripped out like that?

#2374961 Iginla Traded to Pittsburgh

Posted by Nev on 28 March 2013 - 08:04 AM

I remember when the Wings went all out and gunned for the Cup every year...


I remember when there was no cap, and you could trade away picks and prospects and fill the holes in your roster with free agents

#2372850 Interesting stat for fight fans

Posted by Nev on 24 March 2013 - 03:57 AM

I miss Jiri :(


As for media frequenting LGW, I doubt that the big names do that - they have low paid researchers to do that for them ;)