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#2345860 worse before better.....

Posted by Nev on 24 January 2013 - 01:28 PM

Wow; you're really not going to give up here, are you? Let's examine two separate comparison scenarios.


The first scenario examines, in respect to the data, the likelihood modifiers attached to the conclusions.

  • I like what I see about Lashoff. We might have a good future defenseman on our hands here!


  • This team is definitely a disaster! It needs to be blown up now!

Well, I know that arguing with you is a complete waste of time since your opinions are never ever wrong, so really I should give up, however I would like to point out that neither the OP or myself have said "This team is definitely a disaster! It needs to be blown up now!" 


We, like many others on this board see this team as a borderline playoff team, and a team slowly in decline.  And that without a major infusion of youth and talent, it is indeed going to get worse before it gets better.  You insist on mocking anyone who expresses such an opinion as a hysterical chicken-licken worthy of your scorn instead of offering a constructive answer to the paper-thin defense, aging stars, unmotivated players and lack of blue-chip prospects to replace them.

#2345743 worse before better.....

Posted by Nev on 24 January 2013 - 07:53 AM

LOL. As if a "this guy looks promising" thread equates to a thread stating, "this team blows; we need to trade everyone."


Nice try.

Every wing looks promising in their first game,  from Kyle Calder to Derek Meech.  I remember someone here saying Lebda was going to be "elite".  


None of which takes away from the fact that 3 games is still a bigger sample size than 1 game, especially when it's more like 3 seasons that the Wings have been in their slow but inexorable decline..  About the same length of time that you' 've been in denial.

#2345557 Franzen should have been at Tae Bo class during the lockout

Posted by Nev on 23 January 2013 - 05:15 PM

Franzen has the potential to be a good power forward if only he could fight. 


His problem isn't that he doesn't fight.  His problem is that he is lazy, soft, lazy, doesn't use his size, lazy, doesn't skate, lazy, doesn't use his stickhandling ability, lazy, takes soft wrist shots from the perimeter, lazy, is signed for another 8 years, and last but not least, lazy.


Fighting doesn't even come into it.  Homer never fought, but he was the best net-front player in the last 20 years.

#2342735 The Ken Holland Quote Thread

Posted by Nev on 20 January 2013 - 03:11 PM

And with the 210th pick the Detroit Red Wings select Henrik Zetterberg

#2342677 Everyone chill out!

Posted by Nev on 20 January 2013 - 01:26 PM

When they beat the blue jackets and Stars this will all go away.


No it won't.  This will only go away when we have a good run in the playoffs and prove we're a legit team again.  We've been going backwards since 2009 due to players aging/retiring/leaving via UFA/signing lifetime contracts and no longer giving a damn.  So now we're relying on a D-corp full of 3rd pairing players, and hoping for a bunch of rookies to win all 3 Calder nominations.


The signs have been there for all to see, especially in the playoffs.  2 successive losses to the Sharks where only Dats and Jimmy made it look respectable, then the Nashville series were even they couldn't hide the teams issues.  Its still to early to predict were we'll finish, somewhere between 6 and 10 IMO, but I keep saying it, we're stuck in the NHL Poverty trap.  Not good enough to challenge, not bad enough to rebuild through the draft.

#2341475 1/19: Red Wings 0 at St. Louis Blues 6

Posted by Nev on 19 January 2013 - 04:05 AM

Wings win 14-3.  Goal and 13 assists for Datsyuk.

#2340061 Holland has only traded two roster players since 2002

Posted by Nev on 14 January 2013 - 03:06 PM

Holland has also been to the playoffs every season since 2002, won 7 division titles, 3 Presidents Trophies, 2 Western Conference championships, and 1 Stanley Cup.


I'd say not trading roster players has worked out pretty well for him.

#2337792 Canadian hockey fans - they mad!

Posted by Nev on 06 January 2013 - 04:24 AM

No different to the Wings fans on these boards that react to playoff losses to the likes of Nashville and San Jose by asking their fans how many cups they've won.

#2337205 Holland booed off Ford Field

Posted by Nev on 01 January 2013 - 10:02 AM

Wow, imagine the response if Bettman ever dares show his face in public again?

#2335146 Holmstrom appreciation thread

Posted by Nev on 03 December 2012 - 02:54 PM

Over 1000 games in a Wings jersey...played his entire career here in Detroit...huge, HUGE piece to the puzzle in the playoffs each year. How many players have played their entire career in one city for over 1000 games? Not many.....Howe, Yzerman, Lidstrom, Delcvecchio....Draper has but he played for Winnipeg before....So Homer is one of 5 players to play their entire 1000+ game careers in Detroit...3 of those 5 have their number's retired, soon to have Lids join them...I am sure #96 will not go to the rafters, but something has to be said of Holmstrom's RARE stat...you cannot ignore the 1000+ games for one team his entire career.

And I'm pretty sure no-one else had as tough a 1000 games either. Guy was an absolute warrior for us who took a pounding shift after shift, and always came back for more.

Its made me sad the last few years seeing him slow down and the beating he took - not on the ice, but on this forum from short-memoried ungrateful fans (ditto Maltby + Draper).

IIRC he's also an American citizen now, so he'll be staying in the US whatever the future holds.

#2331906 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by Nev on 17 October 2012 - 10:52 AM

As I expected, this deal wasn't going to get done with this proposal. I guess the nhlpa is going to bargain tomorrow. Wish there was more of a sense of urgency out of them.

Of course it wasn't going to get done with this proposal. This proposal should have been made last season so both sides could have started negotiating with realistic starting positions and been able to go through the back and forth process. It will take weeks of back and forth, especially with such complicated legal proposals. Just to type up a proposal probly takes all day.

#2329592 Greatest Red Wing Alum of all time

Posted by Nev on 21 September 2012 - 12:10 PM

Mickey Redmond v Igor Larionov today, tougher than I thought. Larionov was clearly a better player overall, won 3 cups with Detroit and also scored one of the most iconic goals in RW history. But Redmond was a very good player on a very bad Wings team, but furthermore, and perhaps more importantly, has gone on to be the voice of the Redwings.

#2329548 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by Nev on 21 September 2012 - 01:32 AM

While I understand Fehr's point of view here, about players losing rights and what not, I do not understand why they are not meeting and trying to come to an agreement somewhere in the middle.

Because the NHL's original proposal was so utterly outrageous that "meeting in the middle" would still represent a massive reduction in pay and rights for the players. As I said earlier, the NHL's started out not with a basis for negotiation between 2 parties, but an ultimatum of surrender for a vanquished foe.

And all because a handful of teams have bad business models/bad markets, and the majority of owners keep handing out bonkers contracts.

#2329322 Who is the Best Russian the Wings Have Ever Had?

Posted by Nev on 18 September 2012 - 04:08 PM

Fedorov burst into the league as a youngster because we had a weak team and he was afforded a lot of ice-time. Datsyuk was a late bloomer because we had a power house team and he mostly played on the 4th line with not much PP time

Whilst I cannot dispute that the rookie Fedorov had less in front of him (Yzerman) than the rookie Datsyuk (Yzerman, Fedorov, Larionov, even Draper) that misses the point. Fedorov at 21 was a FAR better player than Datsyuk. The only reason Sergei wasn't in the NHL at 18 or 19 was because of the Iron Curtain, also the reason he was a 4th round pick and not a top-5 pick as his talent deserved. He scored 79 points his rookie year - roster depth and higher scoring era notwithstanding, it took Pavel till his 5th season in the NHL to top that. There's nothing wrong per se with being a late bloomer, most players are, its usually only lottery picks like Crosby, Malkin etc who can come in at 18 or 19 and perform like stars.

When Pavel arrived, he was a shy, undersized kid - outstanding stickhandling ability that had everyones eyes popping out, but no-one, no-one predicted the 2-way beast he would become. How much of that was opportunity, maturity, increasing strength, confidence, desire, Babcock's coaching, who knows? The fact is Pavel was 27 before he had a season that could be compared to Sergei. At 27 Feds had won 2 Selke's, a Hart and was a 3-time All-Star.

Fedorov was bigger, stronger, faster, had a better slap-shot, a better one-timer, as good defensively and almost as good a stickhandler (but no-one compares to Pav). Oh, and 163 points in 162 playoff games going head to head against the likes of Sakic, Forsberg, Modano, Niewendyk, Roy and Belfour year in and year out throughout the Dead Puck era.

#2329317 Greatest Red Wing Alum of all time

Posted by Nev on 18 September 2012 - 03:43 PM

Of course, after umpteen rounds we all know its going to come down to Yzerman v Lidstrom v Howe. I would have put Sawchuk in there as the 4th semi-finalist, but they've got him in the same bracket at Yzerman, so Lindsay or Fedorov then.