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#2331906 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by Nev on 17 October 2012 - 10:52 AM

As I expected, this deal wasn't going to get done with this proposal. I guess the nhlpa is going to bargain tomorrow. Wish there was more of a sense of urgency out of them.

Of course it wasn't going to get done with this proposal. This proposal should have been made last season so both sides could have started negotiating with realistic starting positions and been able to go through the back and forth process. It will take weeks of back and forth, especially with such complicated legal proposals. Just to type up a proposal probly takes all day.

#2331866 Who was the better Wing/Player? Yzerman or Lidstrom

Posted by Nev on 17 October 2012 - 12:30 AM

I think you are asking two unique question here, with different answers.

Who was the better Wing? Yzerman
Who was the better player? Lidstrom

This. Lidstrom is the second best defenceman of all time. Yzerman wasn't even the second best center of his era.

#2329592 Greatest Red Wing Alum of all time

Posted by Nev on 21 September 2012 - 12:10 PM

Mickey Redmond v Igor Larionov today, tougher than I thought. Larionov was clearly a better player overall, won 3 cups with Detroit and also scored one of the most iconic goals in RW history. But Redmond was a very good player on a very bad Wings team, but furthermore, and perhaps more importantly, has gone on to be the voice of the Redwings.

#2329548 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by Nev on 21 September 2012 - 01:32 AM

While I understand Fehr's point of view here, about players losing rights and what not, I do not understand why they are not meeting and trying to come to an agreement somewhere in the middle.

Because the NHL's original proposal was so utterly outrageous that "meeting in the middle" would still represent a massive reduction in pay and rights for the players. As I said earlier, the NHL's started out not with a basis for negotiation between 2 parties, but an ultimatum of surrender for a vanquished foe.

And all because a handful of teams have bad business models/bad markets, and the majority of owners keep handing out bonkers contracts.

#2329322 Who is the Best Russian the Wings Have Ever Had?

Posted by Nev on 18 September 2012 - 04:08 PM

Fedorov burst into the league as a youngster because we had a weak team and he was afforded a lot of ice-time. Datsyuk was a late bloomer because we had a power house team and he mostly played on the 4th line with not much PP time

Whilst I cannot dispute that the rookie Fedorov had less in front of him (Yzerman) than the rookie Datsyuk (Yzerman, Fedorov, Larionov, even Draper) that misses the point. Fedorov at 21 was a FAR better player than Datsyuk. The only reason Sergei wasn't in the NHL at 18 or 19 was because of the Iron Curtain, also the reason he was a 4th round pick and not a top-5 pick as his talent deserved. He scored 79 points his rookie year - roster depth and higher scoring era notwithstanding, it took Pavel till his 5th season in the NHL to top that. There's nothing wrong per se with being a late bloomer, most players are, its usually only lottery picks like Crosby, Malkin etc who can come in at 18 or 19 and perform like stars.

When Pavel arrived, he was a shy, undersized kid - outstanding stickhandling ability that had everyones eyes popping out, but no-one, no-one predicted the 2-way beast he would become. How much of that was opportunity, maturity, increasing strength, confidence, desire, Babcock's coaching, who knows? The fact is Pavel was 27 before he had a season that could be compared to Sergei. At 27 Feds had won 2 Selke's, a Hart and was a 3-time All-Star.

Fedorov was bigger, stronger, faster, had a better slap-shot, a better one-timer, as good defensively and almost as good a stickhandler (but no-one compares to Pav). Oh, and 163 points in 162 playoff games going head to head against the likes of Sakic, Forsberg, Modano, Niewendyk, Roy and Belfour year in and year out throughout the Dead Puck era.

#2329317 Greatest Red Wing Alum of all time

Posted by Nev on 18 September 2012 - 03:43 PM

Of course, after umpteen rounds we all know its going to come down to Yzerman v Lidstrom v Howe. I would have put Sawchuk in there as the 4th semi-finalist, but they've got him in the same bracket at Yzerman, so Lindsay or Fedorov then.

#2329007 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by Nev on 16 September 2012 - 12:28 PM

If I'm the NHLPA, the first thing I do before I start any negotiations is demand the immediate resignation of Bettman. How can they negotiate in good faith with someone who has locked them out 3 times?

#2328956 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by Nev on 16 September 2012 - 02:38 AM

You think the likes of Phoenix is bleeding cash now? Lock the players out again...we'll be back down to 24 teams in the NHL.

Bettman = Worst thing to happen to professional sports.

Much as the poison dwarf needs to go, he can't hold a candle to the likes of Sepp Blatter or Bernie Ecclestone. FIFA is corrupt to a scale that would shame a mafiosi don. F1 has 50% of its revenue go not to the teams, not to the drivers, but straight to a private investment firm (via Bernie of course. Who through a multitude of off-shore companies also owns just about every piece of F1, from promoting the races to the TV deals).

So it could be worse. But still, Bettman out!

#2328383 Where Do You Rank Our Defense?

Posted by Nev on 12 September 2012 - 10:59 AM

A big question mark. Kronwall has gone from being a #4 to an undisputed #1 in just 2 years - a huge step up. He was probably the best #4 in the league, but is he good enough to be a #1 and lead the D-corps? Now I wish he'd been given more (any?) time on the first pairing these last few years.

Smith is still a rookie - a talented rookie, but a rookie nevertheless. Quincey, White, Ericsson can all be good 2nd pairing or bad 3rd pairing players depending on how well they perform. Kindl deserves to be in the AHL.

#2328113 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by Nev on 09 September 2012 - 02:31 PM

So, in your opinion, the players need not make any concessions because there are no issues with the league finances right now?

Not at all, thats not what I said.

The problem with Bettman's proposal is that its the players making ALL the concessions. There has to be give and take. So the owners want the players 57% share of revenue cut - OK, offer a 50/50 split but also offer an increase in the minimum salary to say, $600,000. The owners want the length of contracts reduced to 5 years max - OK, but also offer to reduce the age a player reaches UFA by a year. Then you have the basis for a negotiation, rather than the current list of "sign it or we lock you out" demands

#2328093 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by Nev on 09 September 2012 - 02:36 AM

I wish I was just as confident. Neither side is willing to budge. I think we won't see hockey until November.

Why should the players budge? Bettmans proposal is take, take, take, take, take, take, take and take. Not a single proposal to sweeten the pot, no "we want to take this, but we'll give you that in return" to make them go "OK". Bettmans proposal isn't a negotiation, its an ultimatum. He's treating the NHLPA like a vanquished foe trying to get the least punitive terms out of an unconditional surrender, rather than an equal partner in negotiations for the mutual good.

I was on the owners side last time around, and as I've mentioned previously he did some good things for the players such as significantly raising the minimum salary (important when ~ 40% of the NHLPA are on mimimum salary), but this is just pure greed and stupidity. Bettman needs to go as point 1 of any new CBA.

#2327102 Alright. How good are we going to be this season?

Posted by Nev on 28 August 2012 - 11:41 AM

Juggle the lines all you want, it doesn't solve our fundemental problems of lack of quality on the blue-line, lack of scoring on the wing, lack of toughness through the line-up, aging stars, and a hope (expectation) that 3 rookies will perform like vets to fill the gaps.

With a healthy line-up, good goaltending and good coaching we can still be a 4-6 seed. My great fear is we'll end up in the NHL poverty trap. Not enough good players to make the playoffs, too many good players to get a top-5 pick.

#2326930 Most overrated player.

Posted by Nev on 27 August 2012 - 01:36 AM

Any prospects in the minors, on any team. Leafs prospects are particularly over-rated though. For 10 years or more it seems they've had a Stanley Cup winning roster in waiting on the Marlies.

#2325153 Who was the best player on our 2002 squad?

Posted by Nev on 14 August 2012 - 11:33 AM

Are we talking just playoffs here? Tough call for best player. As someone else said, Yzerman was the most valuable player with his leadership playing on one leg, but I would have to go with Dom - he set a record for most shut-outs in the post season, out-goaltended Roy in the WCF, and hung in there when Irbe was standing on his head.

Favourite player was Feds.

#2322597 Your thoughts on Sergei Fedorov

Posted by Nev on 28 July 2012 - 01:09 AM

My favourite player on the Wings in the 90s too. Such a shame it ended the way it did, because based upon every other criteria #91 deserves to be hanging from the rafters.

I know the Sergei haters bang on about his lack of effort in the regular season, but when it mattered - when it really mattered, in the playoffs, he always showed up