I think it's wishful thinking to believe that the NHL would allow Detroit to move to the east, regardless of what happens with other franchises. The east already has four of the original six, and the top two non o6 teams from a marketing perspective (Caps and Pens). People talk today about the eastern conference bias -- moving Detroit would multiply that.
As much as I'd like to see it, I sincerely doubt it'll happen. This is a business, after all.
Sorry to be pedantic, but what I think what you meant is:
"What I believe would be best for the team in the long run is for Draper to retire."
Draper "should" retire when Draper feels like he has no more hockey at a top level left in him, or when he decides to become a lover of the life of leisure. If this season is any indication, now isn't when he "should" retire.
Personally, I'd welcome him back for another season or two if his play doesn't decline. Part of what has made this organization great is their dedication and loyalty to those that made this one of the most successful and respected franchises in all of sports. Illitch was clear from day one that he wanted to run his team like a family, and we've all enjoyed the fruits of this philosophy.
I understand why many of you say that it's time to give the kids a chance, but, from where I sit, that's Kris' decision to make (with some help from Ken), and I'll support whichever decision he makes. Giving him the respect to go out on his own terms is what separates our team from, say, Dallas giving Modano the boot.
Could be that the guy simply wanted to retire as an Av, and this was his/the brass' plan all along. I wasn't there, so no way I'll ever know.
Either way, I loved to hate him in the 90's, and always loved his game. He was the definition of elite before his injuries. Say what you want about his numerous comeback attempts, the game will miss him.
Back on topic, I laughed when I first saw the clip, but in retrospect, it was a pretty low thing for him to say.
You just won the Stanley Cup, beating the man you're being asked about. Show some respect and be a good winner. You don't have to like Pronger (I certainly don't), but a simple "no comment" with a chuckle would have gotten your point across. Not only did you just put a huge target on your back for the next time you play against Pronger, you also you showed a large lack of (wait for it) class by berating a defeated opponent. Not cool.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not outraged or disgusted by this, and I'm sure he regrets saying it today once the euphoria of winning the Cup wore off some. I just don't think that's the way a professional should handle himself...
Thorne and Clement were solid. I've also always liked Jim Hughson. I've also always had a soft spot for Panger, although I'll admit that it may be due to his playing time in Saginaw (my original hometown) and friendship with Yzerman.
This one will be wildly unpopular, but I seriously enjoy watching Pierre McGuire. The guy is an encyclopedia and loves the game more than just about anyone else I've seen -- he's also a huge weirdo and excels at making his broadcast partners and interview subjects uncomfortable. I may not agree with most of what he says, but manoman is that little freak entertaining.
Fans of any team can post in this forum if they abide by the rules and don't troll. I certainly welcome them.
And what are we supposed to do now that there are only 2 teams left and the Wings are out?
And while I know a good bit of it is in fun, some in here definitely go overboard with the bulls**t of real vs. fake fans given by your own personal lists of criteria which are bulls**t. Just because you make the rules of being a fan doesn't make them true. (generally speaking here, not focusing on anybody in specific)
I want to see the Blackhawks win now. Why? The Wings are out, I have some family that live in Chicago and it'd be cool for them to experience, I have a friend who lives down here who is a Hawks fan from Chicago, and I personally don't like Philly sports all that much. If you don't like it, that's your tough luck. Who I want to win or root for does not make me any better or worse of a fan than anybody else in here.
So you can take your "You're not a real Red Wing fan" if you root for the Blackhawks or a team that Pronger plays on or whatever thought process and shove it up your rear end.
I could not possibly agree more. I am a hockey fan first and a Wings fan second... diehard on both accounts. I love the way Toews, Hossa and Keith play the game, have many friends from the Chicago area who are longtime Hawks fans and generally root for the West over the East since that is my team's conference.
Of course I'd be rocking the winged wheel and cheering my heart out for the Wings if they were still playing, but they're not. I still enjoy watching hockey, so the team I'm choosing to back until the offseason is the Hawks (nevermind that, once the Wings got bounced I was praying for a Sharks/Habs final....grumble).
Sorry to continue the hijack, but a couple of things pop out to me here.
1) As much as I love Datsyuk (and believe me, I do), he's nowhere near the talent that Fedorov was. I won't rehash at length what's already been said, but Fedorov in his prime was the best player in the NHL. He could, quite literally, do it all, and do it all better than anyone else. His head for the game was only overshadowed by his physical gifts.
2) I know this is nitpicking, but I can't even put Lidstrom in the same category as Sergei in terms of pure "talent." Lids is one of the smartest players ever to grace the game, and his play style reflects this. He's not the biggest, strongest, fastest, and doesn't have any discernible skill (e.g. a blistering slapshot) that puts him ahead of the competition. His game is all about his head. Sergei, while not on the level of Lidstrom, still had an insanely high hockey IQ AND physical gifts few could approach. I'm not saying Fedorov was a better player, necessarily, only that based on pure talent, I've yet to see Red Wing approach what #91 had in his prime.
As for Malkin, I doubt it will be an issue. The team continues to win, and Crosby and Malkin's individual successes are largely helped by the success of the other. He's also far less comfortable with English than Feds was, and seems to enjoy the limelight a fair bit less. I honestly never saw Fedorov leaving as a measure of dissatisfaction with living in Stevie's considerable shadow, and more a measure of a rough period in his life (women will do funny things to a guy's head, no?) that led to a decision he stated regretting later.
If anything, Malkin should take a lesson from Fedorov and not mirror his mistakes. He's got a great thing going, and I hope/think he knows that. As much as I dislike Crosby for his hype, I like Malkin and his game. The hockey fan in me hopes they continue their success together. It's always more fun as a fan when you have a worthy adversary to root against, Malkin is a pretty likable foe and they both are sure fun to watch play.
Red Wings fans can make a great case for hating the Penguins. But I find little fault with the Caps. In fact, if the Wings don't win the Cup - I'd just assume the Caps take it home. I like their coach and think Ovie>>>>Sid.
There are far more teams I would put on my "dislike" list than the Caps.
The only thing that might rile up some bad feelings vs. the Caps will be a final series between the Wings-Caps. Let's hope one of these days soon....
Maybe the portion of his thread title with the "I" in it could be a clue? ("Oh How I Hate the Capitals")
He's not asking you to share his feelings, only sharing his own (and well, I might add).
If you are going to be a ****** and attempt to belittle his opinion based on specific players he watches, then do it in a thread involving the player in question.
If you really can't help it, then just ignore him. It makes your life much easier and everyone else doesn't have to watch you get all pissy because Carman the "Crosby troll" said something you don't like.
That said, from what you've expressed here, I can understand why you might have grown disinterested in the Caps. But I don't see where the white hot hatred stems from yet... what is it about them that makes you want to choke their fans now?