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#2595276 Game Two - Honest Discussion

Posted by Frozen-Man on 17 April 2015 - 03:36 PM

The idea that we should say "No one played good at forward" does not excuse Tatar and Nyquist…That's crazy.

It does however negate your suggestion that they should be the ones benched.

#2592879 Red Wings' playoff lines and priorities

Posted by Frozen-Man on 13 April 2015 - 12:07 PM

Why would you split back up Dats and Z. They have been playing great together as always.



Babcock said he hasn't decided if Datsyuk and Zetterberg will be split. Could depend on whether Abdelkader is available, he said.

#2527894 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Frozen-Man on 01 July 2014 - 12:14 PM


Because he'd be redundant on our team.  He plays the same game as Nyquist, who we already have.  But he's a good signing for Dallas. 

I think $4M is a little high for Hemsky either way but I mostly agree with you, which is why I was saying earlier, as much as I like Nill, what he needs to do in Dallas is vastly different and easier than what Holland needs to do in Detroit.

#2527883 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Frozen-Man on 01 July 2014 - 12:09 PM



Except if Holland signed Hemsky, everyone on this forums would want him crucified. 

I agree, LGW would be in melt down mode for $4M for Hemsky for the next 3 years.

#2479048 Tim Thomas is a dope: It's a scientific fact.

Posted by Frozen-Man on 30 January 2014 - 07:22 PM

If he was the best lawyer at the best law firm in the country, and then one year later he was at one of the worst law firms making half as much money, EVERYBODY would agree that he had mismanaged his career. 


Whether it was worth it or not, to become a better father, is between God and Timmy.  But the career implications of it are pretty much not debatable.


I absolutely disagree with this statement. I'm an attorney and know quite a few attorney's who have left bigger, more prestigious firms to go to smaller firms or even to go into solo practice. They generally make less than half the money they did and almost all of them think it was a wonderful career move. There is motivation behind career choices that goes well beyond just the biggest/most prestigious/best firms and salary.  There are time issues, pressure issues, expectation issues, area of practice issues and many others.


Tim may like less pressure, he may like Florida better than Massachusetts, who knows what else but all of those can factor into his career choices.


Additionally, you keep saying:


He currently plays for a garbage team for half the money he did in his last full NHL season. 


While technically this might be true, it is at best misleading. His last full NHL season he made $5M this year his salary is $2.5M but he has $1.25M in bonuses, which are easier bonuses everyone seems to think he will easily meet (similar to the little doubt DeKeyser would reach his bonuses). With his bonuses he would be getting 75% of what he made his last full NHL season. Additionally, the 2012-2013 season that he sat out he was supposed to make $3M. Tim should be making $750k (20%) MORE than that this year. Also, you cannot over look the huge tax saving he is getting being in an income tax free state as opposed to a state that taxes income at 5.3%.


He may really like where his career is, he is making a lot of money, playing with very little pressure, warm climate. He may have made a perfect career choice for himself.

#2453640 Patrick Eaves on Waivers

Posted by Frozen-Man on 14 November 2013 - 01:30 PM


Well, that is just s***ty.


I was annoyed with Ken Holland before, and have been for some time, but this is the first time that I've started to just not like him. It's not just that it's s***ty to not tell the player, but the whole reason this is happening is because he's made so many blatantly awful signings. Then when a hard working guy with a great attitude is affected by it, you create a situation that allows him to find out he's getting waived by the press. That's just another s***ty thing to do after a slew of bad decisions.



that makes me feel really bad, that Patty found out from reporters.  What is going on with this franchise?   So not Wing-like...  :nervous:


I know, Patty has always seemed to have a great attitude and done everything asked of him and then to not even let him know in person before hand. Unbelievable.

#2452144 Tootoo Waived

Posted by Frozen-Man on 08 November 2013 - 01:10 PM

Customer is always right? Right? Well, the paying customers want Sammy, Cleary and Eaves off the menu. Customer is always right? Right?


No, especially when you are talking about something like a professional sports organization, very often the customer is quite wrong.



Mannnn whatever ... waive Cleary, Samuelsson and throw Bertuzzi in, as well. Bunch of "been there, done that" lazy, uninterested [or incapable] players who are taking roster spots away from our young guys. Kind of a joke regarding #71 & #44 ... but, kind of not too. :smh:


Why would the Wings waive Bert? He is 3rd in goals, 6th in assists, and 5th in overall points, and leads the team in power play goals (all the while only averaging 14:42 of TOI per game). It would be beyond silly to waive him.


edit: Clarity

#2428735 Wings sign Alfredsson to 1-year, $3.5m deal (+$2m bonuses)

Posted by Frozen-Man on 08 July 2013 - 09:04 AM

It isn't like he left the Florida Panthers for Boston or Chicago. Like it or not, the Wings just aren't major cup contenders. They have a chance, but Ottawa had a decent team and they made it to the exact same place in the playoffs as the Wings did. If he was truly leaving for a chance to get the Cup, I don't think he would have chose Detroit.


That is not exactly a fair comparison, the Sens got beat in 5 games by the Pens, who then got swept in the ECF by the Bruins, who lost in 6 games to the Hawks.


The Wings got beat, in overtime, in game 7 by a team that then won the WCF in 5 and then beat the Bruins in 6. 


Those are dramatically different situations.

#2376159 Wings sign D Dan DeKeyser to 2-year deal

Posted by Frozen-Man on 29 March 2013 - 04:39 PM

I said this few hours ago... :)




Not sure of the truth of this but I have read in a couple of places that the news was delayed because DeKeyser asked permission to personally call the other teams who showed interest and let them know he was going with the Wings. Maybe not the prima donna move that some here were claiming (this is not directed at you Dom) and a very classy and respectable move instead.

#2354207 IF Everyone gets healthy...

Posted by Frozen-Man on 11 February 2013 - 11:26 AM

Not sure who will be dropped but I vote that the nickname Emdog is dropped.

#2322421 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by Frozen-Man on 27 July 2012 - 09:13 AM

Wrong. I know what you mean, but a 1 yr deal of ANY amount is not the same as a long term commitment like the ones given to 13, 40, or even 93. Semin would've been a mercenary no different than Hossa.

I think comparing bringing Hossa on for one year and bring Semin on for one year is a horrible comparison. In fact the only thing that the two situations have in common is one year term and $7m+ salary. Hossa was the best UFA that year, he turned down much better offers to play with the Wings (in fact his agent said "'I have never been involved in a deal and seen a player get so excited to take $85 million less than he was offered elsewhere,' Winter told The Canadian Press. 'It's almost incomprehensible, even to an agent. But Marian is a special player.'"), and neither his work ethic or his attitude had ever been questioned. Semin on the other hand was not tops on anyone's list, couldn't get a multiyear deal (at least not a good one), didn't turn down better offers (I assume), and is constantly questioned and trashed over his work ethic and attitude.

#2320682 Flyers sign Weber to offer sheet: 14y/$110m ($56m 1st 4yrs)

Posted by Frozen-Man on 20 July 2012 - 10:54 AM

How can Bettman "exert" some pressure on this? Look what happened to Kovalchuk and the Devils...his contract went from 17 years $102M to 15 years $100M and it was approved. Then the "Kovalchuk clasue" was born. Maybe I'm missing something on this...I don't know. If I am please let me know.

I'm not sure the league has cause to invalidate the contract, though. It's heavily frontloaded, of course, but given the precedent of previous heavily front loaded contracts (including massive signing bonuses of Parise & Suter), I don't think the league has a leg to stand on in that regard.

I'm not saying that he will or even that I think he will, merely that I just think there is the possibility he might. You know he doesn't want Nashville to be decimated and relegated to a non-playoff team, they were one of his biggest southern expansion success stories. You bought up the Kovy contract, which was initially rejected by the NHL because they thought it artificially lowering the annual average value of the contract by front loading the contract excessively and extending it beyond the age they thought Kovy would continue to play. There may be some dispute as to whether or not Webber will continue to play out his contract but it is more egregiously front loaded than others (including in my opinion Parise and Suter) because the salary/bonus structure for each of the first FOUR years is over $14M and will end up in excess of $56M in the first four years - more than half of his total pay in the first 28.5% of his contract tenure. We have a saying in tax law, "pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered" - given the fact that Bettman is predisposed (I think) to hate the deal and that it is just a little more egregious I can see him pushing (even if it is solely behind the scenes) to invalidate it.

#2318773 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Frozen-Man on 12 July 2012 - 07:59 PM

You know what? I like the situation we are in, here is why. We are going to find out just how good we are. How good of a GM is Ken? Were going to find out. How good are all of our prospects? Lots of young guys are going to get a real chance to play this year. Our true depth will be exposed this year, good or bad. How good of a coach do we have? Babcock is going to have to coach his ass of this year. How big time are Datsyuk, Z, and the mule? Thoes guys must have monster years. Can they do it? We are going to find out. I f@cking pumped to find out. I think this is exactly what this club needs, a chance to prove them selves. This is great motivation, something we have been lacking. The Red Wings are going to see just how good they are and I feel good about it.

I agree. People have been complaining since the 2008 cup that the Wings lack motivation, well they should have it now. This is the first time in a long time that they actually have something to prove and hopefully it motivates them.

#2318607 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Frozen-Man on 12 July 2012 - 11:48 AM

Okay, so let's sort this out - Weber is around $7.5 million averaged salary, so compensation would be two 1st's, a 2nd, and a 3rd rounder. I believe the Wings still have those 2013 picks, correct? The Wings offer some massive deal, say, 12 years/$105 million ($8.75 million cap hit) and front-load the crap out of it. If NAS could match that, wouldn't they already have offered it? Do we really care about losing those picks if the payoff is SHEA WEBER?

And if Nashville did somehow match, we've really lost nothing except for the assumption that Weber might have signed with us next season anyway, instead of the 28 other teams. I think it would be pretty arrogant of Holland to just assume that Detroit is automatic destination that can lure anyone away from PIT, PHI, or any other decent up-and-coming team with cap room.

What you aren't factoring in is that Webber likely won't sign such an offer sheet, he has a different variable than the Wings do. His "risk" is that the Preds actually do match the offer and then he is stuck with them for 12 years. If he really wants out of Nashville why would he risk the Preds matching, if they do he is bound by the contract for the next 12 years. His other option is to sign a 1 year deal with Nashville and then get to go wherever he wants with no risk that he is stuck with a lifetime deal with the Preds. A better option if you are going to do that is to offer him an outrageous 1 year deal one so high it screws the Preds if he signs and they match it, if they don't we have him for a year and get the exclusive rights to negotiate a long term deal, either way he is done with the Preds either immediately or at the end of the season. The only major downside (and probably much to rich to make it a good decision) is all the draft picks lost.

#2317372 How bad are we if our roster is now finalized?

Posted by Frozen-Man on 09 July 2012 - 03:35 PM

A lot of you guys are in denial it seems. You speak as if Z and Dats were in their 20's still. They're aging forwards who will NEVER put up the numbers they once had, so don't expect them to.

Can you last remember when a team with a core of mid 30 year olds won a cup?

Without a talented youth injection, there is zero hope for us. This is simply not a playoff team.

There should be a talented youth injection. The Wings have Smith, Nyquist, and Brunner (not to mention Helmer is pretty young. Additionally, several other young guys will probably get a chance to make the team.

Furthermore, there is no telling how this team will play. There has been talk since 2008 how the team doesn't seem motivated and lacks effort and passion. They have been dumped on by the media (and a good portion of their fan base) this off-season. Perhaps that lights a fire and now that they don't have front runner status and are more middle of the pack / underdog maybe they respond with that missing intensity. On paper they have some problems but they may have some intangibles that they have been lacking the past few years.