Jump to content

Frozen-Man's Photo


Member Since 23 Feb 2008
Offline Last Active Yesterday, 06:12 PM

#2614772 The Bowman Effect

Posted by Echolalia on 16 June 2015 - 12:44 PM

I think you're overestimating Bowman's influence and underestimating the strength of the Blackhawks' roster.  Bowman didn't join Chicago's office until after they had acquired Toews, Kane, Keith, and developed a solid supporting cast to help out these generational talents. I'm sure when his son wants his advice on something, Scotty is happy to help him out, but I hardly think that the Blackhawks' success is a result of Scotty Bowman's mastermind.  I think a more accurate scenario is that he's just going along for the ride.

Yzerman also inherited some franchise pieces in Stamkos and Hedman.  And if we're looking for reasons why the Blackhawks and Tampa made it to the finals and the Wings didn't, I think the first place you have to look is at the core of these teams.  As I alluded to, Yzerman's core is in their prime and wouldn't be possible without having those high draft picks.  Chicago's core is in their prime and wouldn't be possible without having high draft picks.  The Wings' core is aging, and is entirely a product of later picks in the draft.  The supporting cast is there for the Wings, but the core isn't what it used to be.  Bringing Yzerman or Bowman or Nill back to Detroit won't change that scenario.  They aren't going to magically bring in players of Toews' and Hedman's calibre, not without the Wings suffering an epic collapse for a few years in a row.  After all, that's how Chicago and Tampa Bay got their elite talent.

#2609258 Datsyuk's House

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 20 May 2015 - 10:28 PM

Well, I guess I'm busted. Pav is moving in with me.

We have an arrangement wherein he does all the chores I don't like and I do absolutely nothing for him in return. I think it's a pretty sweet deal on his end.

#2605954 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by Z and D for the C on 04 May 2015 - 05:01 PM

Pretty stupid comments by him no matter his intentions. There are much better ways to motivate a player than by completely dismissing him after one half of one pro season.

#2605420 Free agents this off season

Posted by kipwinger on 01 May 2015 - 02:43 PM

Rather do a trade if possible

Ward williams upfront could be nice additions

Back end I think a trade would be in our best interest considering the defensemen available are mostly 3rd pairing guys which I'm sure could help but we need a top 4
I think you should stop coming up with excuses for weiss ... Let it go

He's a bust

Had like one 60 pt yr ... He was never gonna be a 60-70pt 2nd line guy here ... Took a chance and didn't work


I agree he is a bust.  But neither you, nor Ken Holland, knew that at the time of the trade.  People act like Holland traded for a player who was already a bust.  Which isn't true.  His sports hernia, failure to do anything about it, subsequent surgery, and improper rehab were the death knell of Stephen Weiss' career.  All of which happened after the trade. 

#2605370 Locker room Clean-Out Updates

Posted by rick zombo on 01 May 2015 - 01:24 PM


Jesus. I'm sorry. Holland's insane. Hopefully he means to offer him a position within the organization but not on the team. I think it would be great to keep him around in a player personnel type role.

#2605358 Locker room Clean-Out Updates

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 01 May 2015 - 12:41 PM

What did Weiss say?  


"I'm taking my talents back to South Beach"  

#2604708 should mrazek get #1 tag next season

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 29 April 2015 - 10:22 PM

That's just asking for trouble in the dressing room... I'd rather sign a capable backup who could play 25-35 if need be and trade howard while we can still say he was an all star before the injury and will come back to form

He comes back and sucks we will get screwed with that contract and get nothing back in return


They're both professionals.  That sort of thing happens pretty often with goaltenders. 


To get rid of Howard for a guy who's started less than 50 games in the NHL is an extremely bold move, and one I don't see Holland making.  

#2604582 ECQF Game 7 GDT : at Lightning 2, Red Wings 0 (Tampa wins series, 4-3)

Posted by MrazekFanBoy on 29 April 2015 - 09:42 PM

Mrazek will be a monster next year if we make the playoffs, after a full season under his belt I'm eager to see what he can do.

#2602578 why marek zidlicky?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 April 2015 - 08:15 AM

Funny thing is, if he scores a goal next game everybody here will immediately change their tune.  Such is the nature of LGW hate. 


Zidlicky isn't great, but he's not as bad as must of you are making him out to be either.  Look at the scores in this series.  It's not like ANY of our players are getting absolutely exposed out there.   


Did people think that we were going to win every game via a shutout?  Tampa Bay has the best offense in the league, in part, by having the depth to score against third line defenders. 


It happens. 

#2602544 why marek zidlicky?

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 27 April 2015 - 10:40 PM

He was at the time one of the better right handed defenders available for cheap. He has a heavy shot from the point, he spent some time in a defensively responsible New Jersey organization and it seemed like a good fit.


At the time I agreed with the move, and even though he has been weak in the playoffs, I don't really regret it even to this point. Tonight he made noticeable mistakes, and this round hasn't been a good performance from him, but we are 3-3, not out and there's time to bounce back. 


Sometimes the vet players work out, sometimes they don't. For what he contributed in the season up to this point in the playoffs, calling for his head is a bit hasty. Let's see how the series finishes out.

#2602465 why marek zidlicky?

Posted by gcom007 on 27 April 2015 - 09:14 PM

He was a solid addition at first, but he's been a disaster in the playoffs. It's unbelievable how bad of luck Holland has with trades and free agency. Even when he seemingly does something right, it has a tendency of blowing up in his face.

#2602667 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 April 2015 - 10:52 AM

Okay that settles it. Thanks. 


I'm clearly in the minority here. And that's fine. He has earned much of his hardware when there was no salary cap. 


I don't think he's been that terrific lately.


Just my two cents. We apparently disagree though. Which is fine. Neither of us get to fire or retain him anyways. 


You've clearly got an axe to grind, which is the point of contention. 


You're blaming Holland for things like Nyquist being small and lost, and Stephen Weiss being less effective than he was prior to an injury he didn't have when Holland traded for him. 


You're right to say that Holland has made some mistakes over the years.  Nobody would argue that.  But you're attributing things to him which are totally asinine. 


And what's more, you're doing it while the team is actually performing pretty well in the playoffs.  Which also suggests some sort of agenda.  You might have a point if we'd just been swept.  But we didn't.  We've played well and earned a 7th game.  Why don't you wait and see how the season turns out before assigning blame/finger pointing. 

#2602659 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 April 2015 - 10:33 AM

I'm not happy just sneaking into the playoffs. And since Nill and Bowman and Yzerman have left, we have struggled. Agree or disagree?


Lol.  Disagree.  Whole heartedly. 


Since Bowman left (2002) we've made the playoffs every single year, went to the finals twice, and won the Cup once. 


Since Yzerman left (2010) we've made the playoffs every single year.


Same with Nill (2013). 


You know who's struggled since Yzerman and Nill left?  Yzerman and Nill. 

#2602655 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by rick zombo on 28 April 2015 - 10:27 AM

I hear you. But definitely disagree completely.


Holland isn't me or you. He's supposed to be our expert.

Some of this has to fall on him.


You can't blame Howard for not being the guy. Holland needs to have recognized that. If we can trade him this offseason that'd be a big step. For a bag of pucks even. Get rid of that cap number.


Franzen is overpaid based on what he's done for us. That's all I meant. 


Knowing who is injury prone is part of the GMs job. He can't predict it, but he can make a educational bet.


Nyquist or Tatar need to be traded in my opinion this offseason. They are too similar and while their stocks are high, could land us something we really need. Like another Top 3 D man. 

You could get Yzerman to come home. You could probably get Scotty to be our GM. 


What? You can't blame Howard for playing like garbage late this season but you can blame Holland for not being able to predict the future? :lol:


Let the records show, I tried to have a discussion here, but I'm out.

#2602645 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by rick zombo on 28 April 2015 - 10:17 AM

A discussion…Ha.


Most of the prospects exist on many teams. i.e. Tampa Bay's T. Johnson.


Find me one team in the league that's had to draft from Detroit's position for the last 24 years that has better prospects. Feel free to use these as refernces













How about overpaying for Quincey?


Quincey's been good.


Resigned Cleary twice.


Kept his promise. Continues to exude organizational class. No harm done on the ice.


Overpaid and signed Franzen and Howard.


Franzen is not overpaid. Howard got fair value at the time. This is all on Howard for not keeping his end of the bargain.


Zidlicky is struggling badly.


Meh. Babcock has other options if he wants to use them. Kindl, for example. Didn't give up much to acquire him.


Nyquist looks small and lost out there.


Now you're just stretching


Never planned for Lidstrom's and Rafalski's departures. 


How can you? Without tanking like Florida, you're not getting an Ekblad or Jones or Hannafin. #tankit


Didn't figure out a way to keep Hossa.


IMO, his only major mistake.


Stephen Weiss is on the team but doesn't dress.


Holland's only other mistake. Part of that is on Babcock for not using him properly.


Does any of that ring a bell? Bother you?


Just the Hossa thing.