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#2549682 HoF Power Rankings: 1st pick to start team today

Posted by kliq on 18 November 2014 - 12:06 PM

I think alot of people are not reading the first paragragh lol:

 

"Welcome to our Hockey Hall of Fame power rankings. This list goes back to the 1997 class."

 

Lidstrom is not in the HOF (yet), Orr was inducted before 1997.




#2539101 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by Echolalia on 08 October 2014 - 02:59 PM

Just give Weiss a chance I really don't get it. Guy was brought here for a reason for that money. I loved him in Florida you can't tell me he can't play anymore/lost all his talent. Give him a couple good linemates and he will produce. I would put money on it

 

I'm sure that's the eventual plan, but I think right now the big thing is getting him back to game form.  He's been off the ice for the greater part of two years, and now that's he's ready to come back, its with a team/system/coach that he hasn't really had an opportunity to play with at 100%.  He had a hop in his step during the preseason that was absent all last year, and he was looking to get involved more, but Weiss' timing was way off.  He wasn't completing passes well, he didn't seem in synch with his line-mates, or the game overall, for that matter.  I don't know what Babcock and co are thinking with benching him because I obviously don't have access to the practices or lockerroom, but I have to imagine that they want him to get back up to speed, and comfortable with the pace and the way the Wings play before giving him time on the top 6, against other team's top players.  I suspect this process will take a few weeks.




#2539743 Babcock "I don't think it will be my final year here"

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 October 2014 - 04:13 PM

 

I don't get the Dave Lewis bashing around here.  You're hardly the first to do it either.  He took the Wings to the playoffs and lost early.  How is that any worse than what Babs' has been doing since 09?  It could be worse guys.  People make it seem like he had a losing record or something.  He got fired because back then Holland's mantra was "we want to compete for the Cup every year".  Now it's "we want to make the playoffs every year". 

 

But you have to remember the roster Lewis had.  He took basically the team that won the Stanley Cup the previous year and lost in the first round.  

 

To  Mike Babcock.  

 

 

Comparing the players Lewis had to work with to what Babcock has been working with since 09 is not exactly apples to apples.  It's not even fruit to fruit.   Lewis underperformed given the roster he had.  Great in the regular season and tanked in the playoffs.  Ilitch had gone through enough of that in the mid 90s. 




#2535867 Jonas Gustavsson - Monsters Hall of Fame new mask

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 10 September 2014 - 05:39 PM

I actually liked Osgood and Hasek's masks, because they were so simple.  Sometimes, the simpler and plainer a design is, the more power it has.  How many Osgood like masks will we see again?  




#2535852 Jonas Gustavsson - Monsters Hall of Fame new mask

Posted by Mckinley25 on 10 September 2014 - 12:15 PM

******* awesome.
 
Between Jimmy and Monster (and even Mrazek) we've come a long way from this:
 
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I prefer these. They came with cups.


#2535910 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by kipwinger on 10 September 2014 - 11:44 PM

I think it's interesting that everyone is blaming KH for this deal not being done, but if it were Tatar instead of Dekeyser we'd be inundated with comments about how Tats is an egomaniac who puts himself before the team.  Double standard much?

 

Dekeyser has only played 72 professional hockey games.  Whatever he and his agent are asking based on his modest point production and ice time is almost certainly too much.  But god forbid anybody call them out, because he's from Michigan.




#2535939 Ericsson and Alfredsson not 100%

Posted by Son of a Wing on 11 September 2014 - 10:00 AM

WTF is wrong with some people? Do you actually try to find the negative in everything just so you have something to ***** about? Ericsson stated that he will be ready to go for the first game of the season and this Alfredsson situation has been well known for months now. He is 41 years old and it has been stated numerous times that management would be happy to have him back if he decides he is healthy, even if he can only play 60-65 games. But all of a sudden the sky is falling. I swear some of you lie awake at night, hoping and preying a Red Wing gets injured just so you can say "I told you so".... Pathetic...

 

Best just to stay out of these threads krsmith17.  It's not worth it...




#2535376 Nice article on Mantha

Posted by Echolalia on 02 September 2014 - 12:21 PM

As excited as I am about Mantha - if we're being honest, his presence on the Wings this season affects our cup chances exactly 0%. He isn't going to put us over the top, so I really don't mind giving him one transitional year in the AHL, a league that I believe he can he can score a lot a points in, while refining the other parts of his game.

 

We all want to see him play, but the last thing I want is for him to get small minutes on the bottom two lines with the Wings with non-offensive linemates when he could be getting big minutes in GR with other offensive and two-way guys. 

Or cripple the guy's confidence if he comes up and gets destroyed, for that matter.  I'm more than comfortable with letting him ripen up in the AHL.




#2533265 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by Echolalia on 29 July 2014 - 09:01 AM

Two things I noticed when I watched that video that Hockeytown posted:
1) Almost all of Tatar's goals came within 6 feet of the net. Tatar may have Hudler's size, but he has Helm's heart.
2) Several of those goals came in the third period, during a tie game or the Wings down by a goal. I wasn't sure whether there was any statistical significance so I rewatched the vid and came up with these numbers:
Tatar scored 4 first period goals, 7 second period goals, and 8 third period goals. This is especially impressive because the Wings only scored 8 third period goals all year (joke). Anyway, of those 8 goals in the third, the Wings were down or tied in 6 of those occasions (more specifically meaning his goal either tied the game or put the Wings in the lead. The one exception was when the Wings were down 3-1 to the Habs, when Tatar scored to make it 3-2. Then again to make it 3-3. I originally wasnt going to include the first goal, but because he scored the second one to tie it as well I decided to keep it in.) I didn't do any actual statistical analyses so take what you want from these values, but at the very least there may to be a trend that this kid gets better as the game progresses. I don't know how to statistically analyze "clutchness", or more specifically what the actual definition of clutch is. Scoring anytime in the third? Last 10 minutes? Down by 1? By 2? Anyway, someone with a better grasp of stats and clutchness can tackle this one.


#2533246 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by number9 on 29 July 2014 - 12:44 AM

Not saying Tatar is a money guy, but he's been up and coming for years for the wings and has always been held back, this is a good show of faith. Hopefully he hangs around longer than happy face.


#2533227 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by number9 on 28 July 2014 - 09:32 PM

too much money. He best get 25-30 goals in each of his years...this is the reason the salary cap was put in place. There is no way a sub twenty goal scoring RFA should be anywhere near this amount. But it is Ken Holland. He hasn't changed anything in his approach. This means Diesel will get at least $4M.


Also I still hate the "diesel" nickname


#2533226 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by dat's sick on 28 July 2014 - 09:24 PM

too much money. He best get 25-30 goals in each of his years...this is the reason the salary cap was put in place. There is no way a sub twenty goal scoring RFA should be anywhere near this amount. But it is Ken Holland. He hasn't changed anything in his approach. This means Diesel will get at least $4M.

You should probably look up what young 20 goal scorers get in this league these days. This is a good deal if he never gets more than 20, if he gets 25+ it's fantastic. It's also worth noting that Tatar is very much his own product, he hasn't been feeding off Dats or Z or the PP for his production.


#2533196 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by Echolalia on 28 July 2014 - 03:57 PM

This is a good number, especially on a three year deal (and he's still an RFA when this contract expires??).
Like kip said, he's going to be a 20 goal scorer (he almost was last season), and he has that Helm like tenacity and heart, even if he doesn't have the 6'2" frame. The team seems to feed of his energy and he's capable of being an integral part of the team moving forward. The caphit this season will be slightly overvalued, unless he really grows as a hockey player this season, but the following two seasons if he really continues to develop, he just might be able to push 30 goals a season. This is a fair contract for both sides, but the potential deal in the second and third years outweighs any negatives the cap-hit brings.


#2533186 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by kipwinger on 28 July 2014 - 03:16 PM

I mean, in a full season Tatar's going to give you 20+ goals.  To me 20 goals is worth 2.75 million, every day of the week.  20+ goals and shutdown defense will get you 5 million plus.  Ask Kesler or O'Reilly. 

 

Tatar's getting paid what he should. 




#2532503 Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 July 2014 - 04:55 PM

 

That's legit, but nobody is remembering how Quenneville nearly did the exact same thing to us with those Blues teams in the late 90's that were significantly less talented than our Cup teams.  And he was coaching against Bowman. 

 

One of the reasons that I think Quenneville is a great coach?  Of the 15 times he's made the playoffs he's won the Cup twice and lost to the eventual Cup winner 7 times including three times to the Bowman Wings (widely considered some of the greatest teams EVER to play hockey) of the late 90's and early 2000's.  The best teams Babs has lost to?  Quenneville's Hawks a year ago. 

 

Before he hooked up with the Hawks though, he made it out of the 2nd round of the playoffs once in 10 years as a head coach.  Losing to the eventual cup winner in a first round series doesn't really count for much to me. 

 

Babcock took out the 2003 Red Wings in 4 games with a Ducks roster that wasn't exactly stacked with stars and got them to game 7 of the Finals.

in 2007 he took the Wings to the Conference finals, losing to a great team and eventual Cup winner in the Ducks . 

In 2008 he won the Cup

In 2009 he went through the Ducks, still a very good team, and beat Quenneville's Blackhawks (the next year's Cup winner), then took the Pens (who people here don't like to admit but were a great team) to 7 games.

In 2013 he took the Blackhawks to game 7 OT with a lineup that had no business hanging with the Hawks.

 

I think Quenneville is a good coach, but I still put Babcock a notch above him.