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#2533265 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by Echolalia on 29 July 2014 - 09:01 AM

Two things I noticed when I watched that video that Hockeytown posted:
1) Almost all of Tatar's goals came within 6 feet of the net. Tatar may have Hudler's size, but he has Helm's heart.
2) Several of those goals came in the third period, during a tie game or the Wings down by a goal. I wasn't sure whether there was any statistical significance so I rewatched the vid and came up with these numbers:
Tatar scored 4 first period goals, 7 second period goals, and 8 third period goals. This is especially impressive because the Wings only scored 8 third period goals all year (joke). Anyway, of those 8 goals in the third, the Wings were down or tied in 6 of those occasions (more specifically meaning his goal either tied the game or put the Wings in the lead. The one exception was when the Wings were down 3-1 to the Habs, when Tatar scored to make it 3-2. Then again to make it 3-3. I originally wasnt going to include the first goal, but because he scored the second one to tie it as well I decided to keep it in.) I didn't do any actual statistical analyses so take what you want from these values, but at the very least there may to be a trend that this kid gets better as the game progresses. I don't know how to statistically analyze "clutchness", or more specifically what the actual definition of clutch is. Scoring anytime in the third? Last 10 minutes? Down by 1? By 2? Anyway, someone with a better grasp of stats and clutchness can tackle this one.


#2533246 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by number9 on 29 July 2014 - 12:44 AM

Not saying Tatar is a money guy, but he's been up and coming for years for the wings and has always been held back, this is a good show of faith. Hopefully he hangs around longer than happy face.


#2533227 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by number9 on 28 July 2014 - 09:32 PM

too much money. He best get 25-30 goals in each of his years...this is the reason the salary cap was put in place. There is no way a sub twenty goal scoring RFA should be anywhere near this amount. But it is Ken Holland. He hasn't changed anything in his approach. This means Diesel will get at least $4M.


Also I still hate the "diesel" nickname


#2533226 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by dat's sick on 28 July 2014 - 09:24 PM

too much money. He best get 25-30 goals in each of his years...this is the reason the salary cap was put in place. There is no way a sub twenty goal scoring RFA should be anywhere near this amount. But it is Ken Holland. He hasn't changed anything in his approach. This means Diesel will get at least $4M.

You should probably look up what young 20 goal scorers get in this league these days. This is a good deal if he never gets more than 20, if he gets 25+ it's fantastic. It's also worth noting that Tatar is very much his own product, he hasn't been feeding off Dats or Z or the PP for his production.


#2533196 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by Echolalia on 28 July 2014 - 03:57 PM

This is a good number, especially on a three year deal (and he's still an RFA when this contract expires??).
Like kip said, he's going to be a 20 goal scorer (he almost was last season), and he has that Helm like tenacity and heart, even if he doesn't have the 6'2" frame. The team seems to feed of his energy and he's capable of being an integral part of the team moving forward. The caphit this season will be slightly overvalued, unless he really grows as a hockey player this season, but the following two seasons if he really continues to develop, he just might be able to push 30 goals a season. This is a fair contract for both sides, but the potential deal in the second and third years outweighs any negatives the cap-hit brings.


#2533186 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by kipwinger on 28 July 2014 - 03:16 PM

I mean, in a full season Tatar's going to give you 20+ goals.  To me 20 goals is worth 2.75 million, every day of the week.  20+ goals and shutdown defense will get you 5 million plus.  Ask Kesler or O'Reilly. 

 

Tatar's getting paid what he should. 




#2532503 Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 July 2014 - 04:55 PM

 

That's legit, but nobody is remembering how Quenneville nearly did the exact same thing to us with those Blues teams in the late 90's that were significantly less talented than our Cup teams.  And he was coaching against Bowman. 

 

One of the reasons that I think Quenneville is a great coach?  Of the 15 times he's made the playoffs he's won the Cup twice and lost to the eventual Cup winner 7 times including three times to the Bowman Wings (widely considered some of the greatest teams EVER to play hockey) of the late 90's and early 2000's.  The best teams Babs has lost to?  Quenneville's Hawks a year ago. 

 

Before he hooked up with the Hawks though, he made it out of the 2nd round of the playoffs once in 10 years as a head coach.  Losing to the eventual cup winner in a first round series doesn't really count for much to me. 

 

Babcock took out the 2003 Red Wings in 4 games with a Ducks roster that wasn't exactly stacked with stars and got them to game 7 of the Finals.

in 2007 he took the Wings to the Conference finals, losing to a great team and eventual Cup winner in the Ducks . 

In 2008 he won the Cup

In 2009 he went through the Ducks, still a very good team, and beat Quenneville's Blackhawks (the next year's Cup winner), then took the Pens (who people here don't like to admit but were a great team) to 7 games.

In 2013 he took the Blackhawks to game 7 OT with a lineup that had no business hanging with the Hawks.

 

I think Quenneville is a good coach, but I still put Babcock a notch above him.  




#2531019 Kane & Toews Sign Identical 8-year, $10.5M AAV Extensions

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 12:29 PM

I wonder how Keith feels right now. As a UFA his salary could hit the stratosphere, but now he's stuck making literally half of his fellow leaders on the team for similar term, and is their second highest paid Dman. Cheers to Keith for being a team player. 

 

As for next year Chicago has 15 players signed (10F 3D 2G) and just a little over 3mil in cap room.

 

It's hard for me to feel sorry for Keith.  He's overrated as a defenseman and a dirty player.  

 

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very good Dman, but 2 time norris winner??  If 5 years ago you would've told me Keith would win 2 Norris trophies and Weber wouldn't have any, I would've thought you were nuts.


Chicago will be taken apart next year.

 

that's what we said last time. 




#2531095 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 03:46 PM

I'm assuming the bonus is tied to some minimum number of games played with the Wings. 

 

Still, I am shocked by this deal.  Even if it's a two-way deal, I wasn't expecting that kind of money.  I think when Maltby did it, it was something like $500k. 

 

I would rather Holland put that money towards retaining some of Kindl's salary in a trade.  




#2531090 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 03:43 PM

As a moderator here, I'm just glad the Wings didn't announce the re-signing of Quincey and Cleary on the same day.  




#2531073 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by uk_redwing on 10 July 2014 - 03:36 PM

Who else burst out laughing when they heard? :lol:

 

All Ken Holland has done this offseason is sign players for Grand Rapids...at least that's what we hope he's doing...




#2530403 Red Wings re-sign Derek Meech

Posted by redwings15 on 07 July 2014 - 12:42 PM

Gotcha




#2528631 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 04:11 PM

If the Wings knew Niskanen wasn't coming here before free agency, then what the hell has Holland been doing otherwise?


#2528194 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 July 2014 - 01:38 PM

I'm pretty convinced Khan was wrong about Niskanen. 

 

 

So apparently I'm currently in the denial stage of grieving. 




#2528120 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by vladdy16 on 01 July 2014 - 01:20 PM

Calgary got Jonas Hiller, Dallas got Spezza, Detroit gets a rock.

Do you have a source to support your claim of Detroit actually acquiring said rock?