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#2677774 Red Wings re-sign Riley Sheahan: 2-years, $4.15m

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 June 2016 - 02:21 PM

Honestly, I don't think it's an overpayment - just about everyone on the team had an "off" year. Guys like Shawn Matthias, Lars Eller and Colin Wilson all produced around the same as Riley last season and are making from 2.3-3.9M per. Sheahan was ranked #87 in the entire league last year in lowest cost per point. The deal will give both parties two years to see what kind of player he turns into, and he's still RFA after it's done. It's not a bad signing at all, IMO.

#2678091 Datsyuk Announcement to Officially Leave NHL

Posted by kickazz on 18 June 2016 - 11:45 AM

Yzerman will always be the worst one for me. Going out on an upset to Edmonton. We were the president's trophy winner that year and were supposed to win the cup. With Pav the decision was easy. We are no were near winning the cup. 

#2666909 Mantha

Posted by VM1138 on 10 April 2016 - 05:19 PM

Just seems all the kids besides Larkin are taking a step back and it's frustrating to me personally , this as a golden opportunity for mantha to learn while pavel is here and gain huge playoff experience

If everyone thinks this season was tough just you guys wait till pavel is gone and un experienced mantha steps in full time with possibly guys like nosek,ouellet,sproul,pulkkinen and god knows who else

It's gonna be Armageddon around here next season


For all the crap people have given him, including myself, Tatar ended up doing okay.  He's frustrating to watch, and I would never build the offense around him, but his stat line isn't astronomically worse than it was, and since everyone has had a worse year I'd be loathe to single him out.  There's clearly something deeper going on, whether it's coaching or certain players, but once that gets fixed I'd like to see what certain players like Tatar can do.  I certainly don't expect next season to be as bad as this one, provided we get a replacement for Datsyuk.


But back on topic, to Mantha: I don't care about his defensive liability.  The fact is we need to score, and can't win a tightly played playoff series with no offense.  And Andersson didn't exactly save the team from being scored on three times yesterday, either.


We need speed, skating and offense, because we're honestly not going super deep this year.  Professionals like Blashill and Holland should be able to recognize this fact and realize now is the time to take a risk.  Mantha needs playoff experience.  It's not like he's single handedly costing us goals against.  Let him play and learn from his mistakes, coach him into being a better defensive player.  He's not going to cost us this series, and his offense (not yet figured out by opposing teams) might be something that could turn the scales in our favor.


EDIT: I think Nyquist and Larkin have set the bar too high for our prospects, too.  It's like, if you don't score 25-30 your first season, you're "not ready."

#2666884 Mantha

Posted by Jesusberg on 10 April 2016 - 04:28 PM

What has Mantha done to earn a roster spot in the playoffs?  Not a thing.

Which is whatever, if Holland feels that way. People may disagree, but it's management's call.

Management throwing him under the bus (again - Devellano), however, doesn't feel like it's conducive to Mantha's growth. Don't see how the jab was necessary or helpful.

#2666821 Playoff Lines + Mantha Back to GR

Posted by VM1138 on 10 April 2016 - 12:48 PM

It'd be nice to have a player who can score in the lineup, but I guess having defensive stalwarts Jurco and Andersson in instead is better.


#2645831 Bravo, Smitty

Posted by Buppy on 02 January 2016 - 10:16 PM

Brendan now has 7 pts in his last 8 games. He's a +4 on the year, and is on pace for 20-25 pts. Still not the guy we all want him to be, but I think he's only 1 step away now, whereas he has been 3 to 4 steps away for most of his first 3 years. I really want to see him round into a true legit 2A. If he can fill the 3 spot for us for the next 10 years, that would be very beneficial. DeKeyser should progress to a nice 1B, and Marchenko looks like he can progress to a true 2B. Ouellet and Russo can round out our 3A and 3B pairing. Kronwall, Ericsson, Quincey, Kindl, and Green should be let go or traded as quickly as possible.

__________ - DeKeyser
Smith - Marchenko
Ouellet - Russo

That 1A spot is difficult to fill, but we arent Going anywhere without a Duncan Keith or a Drew Doughty. Holland needs to be fired. Not landing Suter absolutely crushed this team. And yah, it's Holland's fault. I wont be convinced that Suter and Parise wouldn't have changed Their mind if our offer was 11 mil per season. How can we afford 22 mil per year for those guys? Howard, Ericsson, Green, Weiss, Tootoo, Kindl. There's 25 million per on a backup goalie, 3 defenseman we dont need, and 2 players we had to buy out. Holland has the money. He just has no clue how to use it.

Green, Kronwall, Quincey, Ericssson, Kindl. Losing those 5 clears up 22 million. Trading Howard clears up another 3 mil if we eat 2 mil Per year. That's 25 million. Come on. We need a fricking good GM more than anything else. Holland is junk.

22 million on two guys until they're 40+. Stupid even if we can juggle the roster (based mostly on hindsight) to fit it in. Hasn't exactly been raining playoff wins in Minnesota since they signed those two. No real reason to think they'd have much more impact here. Put Suter in that blank spot and that defense is still worse than what we have now, and you'd be making it difficult to afford raises for the young guys when they come due.

#2638389 When does Larkin get the C?

Posted by kliq on 20 November 2015 - 06:41 PM

Why did they do it for Yzerman, then? Im not trying to insult Hank or Dats at all. I just think Laekin is THAT good, and I think Sheahan has good leadership qualities (plays every game, is big, and communicates well).


From my understanding because the former captain Danny Gare had left the team.


I cant see a 19 year old Larkin becoming "the leader" of a team that still has players like Zetterberg, Datsyuk, and Kronwall on it. Not to mention, do you actually think he would want that? I couldn't imagine just walking into a locker room and taking the captaincy from someone who has been there as long as Z. Typically young guys are given the C, when the entire team around them is young or new to the organization. You dont strip an established vet of the C to give to a 19 year old.


Also, how is being big a good leadership quality?

#2638368 When does Larkin get the C?

Posted by Son of a Wing on 20 November 2015 - 05:09 PM

Alright you've made the blocked list.


This is why I don't even bother engaging in conversation anymore.


Talk about clueless...

#2638320 When does Larkin get the C?

Posted by rick zombo on 20 November 2015 - 11:46 AM

I dont feel like Hank is the heart and soul of our team anymore. I'm thinking next year, you sew that C on Larkin's sweater and give the A's to Hank and Sheahan. It's early, but Larkin appears to be what we have all been waiting for - our next Stevie Y.


Let's, for a minute, just say that this isn't a dumb idea. Let's say it is very intelligent. It still would never happen. Because: Red Wings.

#2630615 Why Is The Joe Half Empty?

Posted by Echolalia on 13 October 2015 - 09:42 PM

I thought it looked half full

#2627722 Who Do You Think Will Lead the Wings In Scoring

Posted by kickazz on 29 September 2015 - 08:01 PM

Most high end goal scorers are also pretty good at scoring even strength too, though. Which Nyquist seems to not be good at.

Powerplay goals scored percentage in career thus far for some notable players:


Steve Yzerman - 29% PP goals out of all goals scored.


Joe Sakic - 32.8% PP goals out of all goals scored.


Henrik Zetterberg - 33.8% PP goals out of all goals scored.


Gustav Nyquist - 32% PP goals out of all goals scored.


Steven Stamkos - 34% PP goals out of all goals scored.


Alexander Ovetchkin - 37% PP goals out of all goals scored.


We should have been more worried about Zetterberg than Nyquist and his "he can only score on the power play" idea. 


Or how about not :)  Because to me it seems like Nyquist right around the average among the names mentioned. Additionally he only has a few seasons under his belt so it's too early to judge either way. But as of now his overall numbers are pretty standard. 

#2628377 3 Bold Predictions for 2015-16

Posted by Echolalia on 05 October 2015 - 10:56 AM

1. The Red Wings make the playoffs
2. The Red Wings will win more games than they lose
3. A goalie debate will occur this year

#2621513 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by Dabura on 24 July 2015 - 02:21 PM

Yeah I've read it. Exactly which of my points do you think is... ridiculous?


Mantha's season was, perhaps, a bit disappointing. His game still needs work. But the Wings knew what they were getting when they drafted him. They knew he was going to be a bit of a project. Anyone who'd watched him play knew he was going to be a bit of a project. He was never going to make the team out of last year's camp. At most, he might've earned a couple games with the big club towards the end of the regular season. He needed to learn defense. He needed to learn how to protect the puck against men. He needed to learn how to emerge from a brutal scrum with possession of the puck. He needed to learn how to operate with much less time and space and civility than he'd enjoyed in the QMJHL. His game was weighted wildly towards the offensive side of things. That had to change in a big way, and that's not a change you make in half a season. And that's saying nothing of the broken leg.


For all these reasons and more, you can't say his season was "very, very, very disappointing." You can barely say it was disappointing. He was in for a tough season even before he'd broken his leg. All things considered, 15 goals and 33 points in 62 games, with limited power play time and third-line minutes, is a pretty good year. If the hype surrounding Mantha hadn't been so absurdly huge, no one would have a problem with his season. We'd be saying he needs another year, and that that's no big deal because it's to be expected with a 20-year-old who's never had to play defense or compete against men.


But none of that really seems to mean much to you, which I don't get. The way you see it, Mantha sucked this year, and it wasn't because of the injury, it was because he sucked. And if someone tries to "use the injury as an excuse" for his "poor play," that line of reasoning doesn't hold up, because it's "100% speculation." Even though saying the injury had nothing to do with his performance is equally speculative and, in fact, much less reasonable. Because, which sounds more plausible: that breaking his leg right before his first NHL training camp and spending the first part of his first AHL season unable to do much of anything in the way of physical conditioning A) had a significant impact on his season and should be taken into account when reviewing his season and the progress he made (or didn't make), or B) had no impact whatsoever on his season and should not be taken into account when reviewing his season and the progress he made (or didn't make)?


He needs to be better away from the puck. He needs to compete harder. He needs to improve in some key areas. No one's more aware of this than the player himself. But I don't see the need for trashing him. I'm not sure most people appreciate how tough it is to go from being a big fish in the QMJHL (which is pretty much a terrible league) to a boy among men in the AHL, especially when you were such a big fish that you were never really asked (or taught!) how to play AHL/NHL-level defense and your shifts would often stretch to 120 seconds long.


I don't see the basis for saying he sucked. I don't see how comparing his first few games as a Griffin to Tyler Bertuzzi's first few games as a Griffin really tells us anything. It's sort of like the Franzen-versus-Chris Neil thing. Franzen doesn't play with Chris Neil's "intensity" and "edge" and "physicality." But Neil doesn't have Franzen's skill, talent, skating, hockey IQ, scoring prowess, etc. Bertuzzi's game, at this time, is more complete than Mantha's. So is Landon Ferraro's. But Mantha's strengths can't be taught or instilled, while the things he needs to learn can. Same deal as Nyquist, Tatar, Pulkkinen - except, Mantha's going to become a full-time Wing at 21 or 22 years of age, versus the standard 23 or 24. Because 1) he's that talented, 2) the things he needs to work on are things that virtually all 20-year-old snipers need to work on, and 3) the Wings are the best at taking raw talent and sculpting it into a rounded NHL player.


The kid's going to be a very good NHLer. He's not a problem player. He's not lazy. He just has to learn to play a kind of game he's never really had to play, and at the highest level. It's a process. It was always going to be a process. Nothing has really changed since the moment we drafted Mantha. There was always going to be an adjustment period.

#2620158 Gustav Nyquist signed 4-Year Deal $4.75 mill AAV

Posted by _SP_ on 11 July 2015 - 10:39 PM

Not only that, but $19M isn't an amount to turn your nose up.  If he gets seriously injured or otherwise unable to perform in two years, he'll be glad he signed this contract instead of holding out for $6-8M.


Think about it...  Let's say the alternative was playing under the RFA amount for two years and then signing a big contract:


2015-2016 $3,000,000  Two-year contract at lower rate to get to UFA.
2016-2017 $3,000,000  Two-year contract at lower rate to get to UFA.
2017-2018 $7,750,000  (big contract, presuming #'s keep rising and his performance increases) UFA

2018-2019 $7,750,000  UFA

So that's a total of 4-years, $21,500,000. Even if he signed a two-year, $6M contract - giving him the quickest out to UFA status - he's risking about $12M (difference between what he'd have at the end of the 16-17 season and what he's going to have now at the end of the 18-19 season) on the chance that he doesn't have a career-ending injury or otherwise harm his chances at a big contract.

So, yes, he maximizes his salary ceiling by signing a two-year deal, but he also maximizes his salary floor by signing a four-year deal.  Risk/Reward.

#2619111 Nyquist Files For Arbitration

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 July 2015 - 04:55 PM

It's amazing how fast people will turn on a player.


If memory serves, this is more of a basic procedural thing than a real indication that things are going poorly.  By filing for arbitration Nyquist forfeits the right to accept an offer sheet from other teams.  In other words, he's committing to the Wings by filing.  


Today is the deadline to file so the timing is likely a result of that, not something that happened with the Wings.  I'm pretty sure this is something players do that's just a backup plan for a worst case scenario. And again, by doing so he cannot accept an offer sheet from another team.