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#2623636 Franzen back on ice

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 August 2015 - 06:55 PM

This has nothing to do with Franzen as a player, but I just can't root for the guy trying to return to the NHL when you read things like this:
 

Earlier in the summer, Franzen allowed that he’s uncertain as to the number of concussions he’s suffered during his NHL career, only able to note that it’s been “more” than three or four.

“This time was scary,” Franzen admitted the last time he spoke about it publicly. “This time was a little bit scarier. You go for two months not being able to pick up your kids or play with your kids for more than two minutes. It makes you think a little bit.

“I was in a really dark place - maybe not the first month because you think it’s going to get better - but then when it doesn’t get better, you start wondering.”




#2621513 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by Dabura on 24 July 2015 - 02:21 PM

Yeah I've read it. Exactly which of my points do you think is... ridiculous?

 

Mantha's season was, perhaps, a bit disappointing. His game still needs work. But the Wings knew what they were getting when they drafted him. They knew he was going to be a bit of a project. Anyone who'd watched him play knew he was going to be a bit of a project. He was never going to make the team out of last year's camp. At most, he might've earned a couple games with the big club towards the end of the regular season. He needed to learn defense. He needed to learn how to protect the puck against men. He needed to learn how to emerge from a brutal scrum with possession of the puck. He needed to learn how to operate with much less time and space and civility than he'd enjoyed in the QMJHL. His game was weighted wildly towards the offensive side of things. That had to change in a big way, and that's not a change you make in half a season. And that's saying nothing of the broken leg.

 

For all these reasons and more, you can't say his season was "very, very, very disappointing." You can barely say it was disappointing. He was in for a tough season even before he'd broken his leg. All things considered, 15 goals and 33 points in 62 games, with limited power play time and third-line minutes, is a pretty good year. If the hype surrounding Mantha hadn't been so absurdly huge, no one would have a problem with his season. We'd be saying he needs another year, and that that's no big deal because it's to be expected with a 20-year-old who's never had to play defense or compete against men.

 

But none of that really seems to mean much to you, which I don't get. The way you see it, Mantha sucked this year, and it wasn't because of the injury, it was because he sucked. And if someone tries to "use the injury as an excuse" for his "poor play," that line of reasoning doesn't hold up, because it's "100% speculation." Even though saying the injury had nothing to do with his performance is equally speculative and, in fact, much less reasonable. Because, which sounds more plausible: that breaking his leg right before his first NHL training camp and spending the first part of his first AHL season unable to do much of anything in the way of physical conditioning A) had a significant impact on his season and should be taken into account when reviewing his season and the progress he made (or didn't make), or B) had no impact whatsoever on his season and should not be taken into account when reviewing his season and the progress he made (or didn't make)?

 

He needs to be better away from the puck. He needs to compete harder. He needs to improve in some key areas. No one's more aware of this than the player himself. But I don't see the need for trashing him. I'm not sure most people appreciate how tough it is to go from being a big fish in the QMJHL (which is pretty much a terrible league) to a boy among men in the AHL, especially when you were such a big fish that you were never really asked (or taught!) how to play AHL/NHL-level defense and your shifts would often stretch to 120 seconds long.

 

I don't see the basis for saying he sucked. I don't see how comparing his first few games as a Griffin to Tyler Bertuzzi's first few games as a Griffin really tells us anything. It's sort of like the Franzen-versus-Chris Neil thing. Franzen doesn't play with Chris Neil's "intensity" and "edge" and "physicality." But Neil doesn't have Franzen's skill, talent, skating, hockey IQ, scoring prowess, etc. Bertuzzi's game, at this time, is more complete than Mantha's. So is Landon Ferraro's. But Mantha's strengths can't be taught or instilled, while the things he needs to learn can. Same deal as Nyquist, Tatar, Pulkkinen - except, Mantha's going to become a full-time Wing at 21 or 22 years of age, versus the standard 23 or 24. Because 1) he's that talented, 2) the things he needs to work on are things that virtually all 20-year-old snipers need to work on, and 3) the Wings are the best at taking raw talent and sculpting it into a rounded NHL player.

 

The kid's going to be a very good NHLer. He's not a problem player. He's not lazy. He just has to learn to play a kind of game he's never really had to play, and at the highest level. It's a process. It was always going to be a process. Nothing has really changed since the moment we drafted Mantha. There was always going to be an adjustment period.




#2620158 Gustav Nyquist signed 4-Year Deal $4.75 mill AAV

Posted by _SP_ on 11 July 2015 - 10:39 PM

Not only that, but $19M isn't an amount to turn your nose up.  If he gets seriously injured or otherwise unable to perform in two years, he'll be glad he signed this contract instead of holding out for $6-8M.

 

Think about it...  Let's say the alternative was playing under the RFA amount for two years and then signing a big contract:

 

2015-2016 $3,000,000  Two-year contract at lower rate to get to UFA.
2016-2017 $3,000,000  Two-year contract at lower rate to get to UFA.
2017-2018 $7,750,000  (big contract, presuming #'s keep rising and his performance increases) UFA

2018-2019 $7,750,000  UFA

So that's a total of 4-years, $21,500,000. Even if he signed a two-year, $6M contract - giving him the quickest out to UFA status - he's risking about $12M (difference between what he'd have at the end of the 16-17 season and what he's going to have now at the end of the 18-19 season) on the chance that he doesn't have a career-ending injury or otherwise harm his chances at a big contract.

So, yes, he maximizes his salary ceiling by signing a two-year deal, but he also maximizes his salary floor by signing a four-year deal.  Risk/Reward.




#2619111 Nyquist Files For Arbitration

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 July 2015 - 04:55 PM

It's amazing how fast people will turn on a player.

 

If memory serves, this is more of a basic procedural thing than a real indication that things are going poorly.  By filing for arbitration Nyquist forfeits the right to accept an offer sheet from other teams.  In other words, he's committing to the Wings by filing.  

 

Today is the deadline to file so the timing is likely a result of that, not something that happened with the Wings.  I'm pretty sure this is something players do that's just a backup plan for a worst case scenario. And again, by doing so he cannot accept an offer sheet from another team. 




#2614772 The Bowman Effect

Posted by Echolalia on 16 June 2015 - 12:44 PM

I think you're overestimating Bowman's influence and underestimating the strength of the Blackhawks' roster.  Bowman didn't join Chicago's office until after they had acquired Toews, Kane, Keith, and developed a solid supporting cast to help out these generational talents. I'm sure when his son wants his advice on something, Scotty is happy to help him out, but I hardly think that the Blackhawks' success is a result of Scotty Bowman's mastermind.  I think a more accurate scenario is that he's just going along for the ride.

Yzerman also inherited some franchise pieces in Stamkos and Hedman.  And if we're looking for reasons why the Blackhawks and Tampa made it to the finals and the Wings didn't, I think the first place you have to look is at the core of these teams.  As I alluded to, Yzerman's core is in their prime and wouldn't be possible without having those high draft picks.  Chicago's core is in their prime and wouldn't be possible without having high draft picks.  The Wings' core is aging, and is entirely a product of later picks in the draft.  The supporting cast is there for the Wings, but the core isn't what it used to be.  Bringing Yzerman or Bowman or Nill back to Detroit won't change that scenario.  They aren't going to magically bring in players of Toews' and Hedman's calibre, not without the Wings suffering an epic collapse for a few years in a row.  After all, that's how Chicago and Tampa Bay got their elite talent.




#2609258 Datsyuk's House

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 20 May 2015 - 10:28 PM

Well, I guess I'm busted. Pav is moving in with me.

We have an arrangement wherein he does all the chores I don't like and I do absolutely nothing for him in return. I think it's a pretty sweet deal on his end.


#2605954 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by Z and D for the C on 04 May 2015 - 05:01 PM

Pretty stupid comments by him no matter his intentions. There are much better ways to motivate a player than by completely dismissing him after one half of one pro season.


#2605420 Free agents this off season

Posted by kipwinger on 01 May 2015 - 02:43 PM

Rather do a trade if possible

Ward williams upfront could be nice additions

Back end I think a trade would be in our best interest considering the defensemen available are mostly 3rd pairing guys which I'm sure could help but we need a top 4
I think you should stop coming up with excuses for weiss ... Let it go

He's a bust

Had like one 60 pt yr ... He was never gonna be a 60-70pt 2nd line guy here ... Took a chance and didn't work

 

I agree he is a bust.  But neither you, nor Ken Holland, knew that at the time of the trade.  People act like Holland traded for a player who was already a bust.  Which isn't true.  His sports hernia, failure to do anything about it, subsequent surgery, and improper rehab were the death knell of Stephen Weiss' career.  All of which happened after the trade. 




#2605370 Locker room Clean-Out Updates

Posted by rick zombo on 01 May 2015 - 01:24 PM

 

Jesus. I'm sorry. Holland's insane. Hopefully he means to offer him a position within the organization but not on the team. I think it would be great to keep him around in a player personnel type role.




#2605358 Locker room Clean-Out Updates

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 01 May 2015 - 12:41 PM

What did Weiss say?  

 

"I'm taking my talents back to South Beach"  




#2604708 should mrazek get #1 tag next season

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 29 April 2015 - 10:22 PM

That's just asking for trouble in the dressing room... I'd rather sign a capable backup who could play 25-35 if need be and trade howard while we can still say he was an all star before the injury and will come back to form

He comes back and sucks we will get screwed with that contract and get nothing back in return

 

They're both professionals.  That sort of thing happens pretty often with goaltenders. 

 

To get rid of Howard for a guy who's started less than 50 games in the NHL is an extremely bold move, and one I don't see Holland making.  




#2604582 ECQF Game 7 GDT : at Lightning 2, Red Wings 0 (Tampa wins series, 4-3)

Posted by MrazekFanBoy on 29 April 2015 - 09:42 PM

Mrazek will be a monster next year if we make the playoffs, after a full season under his belt I'm eager to see what he can do.


#2602578 why marek zidlicky?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 April 2015 - 08:15 AM

Funny thing is, if he scores a goal next game everybody here will immediately change their tune.  Such is the nature of LGW hate. 

 

Zidlicky isn't great, but he's not as bad as must of you are making him out to be either.  Look at the scores in this series.  It's not like ANY of our players are getting absolutely exposed out there.   

 

Did people think that we were going to win every game via a shutout?  Tampa Bay has the best offense in the league, in part, by having the depth to score against third line defenders. 

 

It happens. 




#2602544 why marek zidlicky?

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 27 April 2015 - 10:40 PM

He was at the time one of the better right handed defenders available for cheap. He has a heavy shot from the point, he spent some time in a defensively responsible New Jersey organization and it seemed like a good fit.

 

At the time I agreed with the move, and even though he has been weak in the playoffs, I don't really regret it even to this point. Tonight he made noticeable mistakes, and this round hasn't been a good performance from him, but we are 3-3, not out and there's time to bounce back. 

 

Sometimes the vet players work out, sometimes they don't. For what he contributed in the season up to this point in the playoffs, calling for his head is a bit hasty. Let's see how the series finishes out.




#2602465 why marek zidlicky?

Posted by gcom007 on 27 April 2015 - 09:14 PM

He was a solid addition at first, but he's been a disaster in the playoffs. It's unbelievable how bad of luck Holland has with trades and free agency. Even when he seemingly does something right, it has a tendency of blowing up in his face.