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#2270130 Call the team out

Posted by Frozen-Man on 14 March 2012 - 01:09 PM


I am getting tired of hearing the same lame "when we get Dats and Lids back, we'll be perfect again" Maybe in some ideal fantasy world, yes. But in reality that ignores the facts that the PP still sucked before they left along with the points mentioned above. Its a lame excuse that ignores the fact that the team had the same problems with them in the lineup.

And I don't even know what to say about the PP. Its been absolutely dismal all year. Wings are currently under 16% on the PP. Think about that. That is beyond horrible for the Wings.

I don't disagree with the fact that the PP was not doing well before Dats and Lids got hurt, although it has been even worse with them out. The point however, is that when they were in, the Wings were winning a lot more (the only thing that ultimately matters) were 1st in their division, 1st in their conference, and in a daily battle for 1st in the NHL. They are no longer winning as much, and are not 1st in any of the standings. That is the real problem and that is directly related to Pavel and Nick being out.

#2270078 Call the team out

Posted by Frozen-Man on 14 March 2012 - 11:13 AM

Lucky for them they've got Malkin to pick them up; few teams can boast such an effective "Plan B."

Injuries are always frustrating, and so hopelessly out of anyone's control. We want to believe that a little more heart or grit or whatever will get the job done, but the fact of the matter is you need talent; a second line of Nyquist-Franzen-Cleary isn't going to do it.

Pavel coming back will have a huge cascade effect on the lineup. You add one guy that is great at scoring, can put guys next to him that are otherwise being wasted without a good setup man, and can demote players playing above their normal station back to lines where they are more comfortable.

Exactly, additionally it means that teams have to focus their best defensemen on Pavel and so each line below gets to play with less defensive pressure against them. The impact of everyone not having to play above their roll/ability when Pavel and Lids are back cannot be underestimated.

#2270075 Call the team out

Posted by Frozen-Man on 14 March 2012 - 11:04 AM

The only guys that matter that are out are Lids and Dats. The other 5 'starters' are replaceable and Eaves hasn't played in ages. Kindl was scratched half the time, Ericsson has been better but Quincy and Smith are both better IMO, Bert only plays when he feels like it and MacDonald kept the team in games with saves goalies shouldn't have to be making.

They are really only down 2 guys that matter IMO. Everyone else that was / is hurt can be replaced or their replacement played close to their level (Howard's case). Either way the defensive lapses that occur and the turn overs are not being made by the guys that are replacements anyway. Its the bottom line, Kronwall, White, Hudler etc that are making the bone headed plays that end up being odd man rushes / 1v1 or guys not clearing the puck after Howard makes crazy saves like last night.

So you are asking me to find a team that has one of the best D men EVER and arguably the best 2 way forward in the game out. Well Pittsburgh is the closest I can come and since March 1st when Letang got hurt they went 5-0 with Crosby still out. Just sayin.

Couldn't disagree more. First, regardless of if they can be replaced there is a problem anytime you have 7 regular players out of your lineup. It messes with the team chemistry (that is why teams are often wary about moves at the trade deadline unless they need to change the chemistry), also you are talking about 1/2 of your regular defensive lineup that has to have an effect on a team especially one playing in front of a career AHL goalie (even if he is playing really well - you just assume it won't last). Second, Cleary should be out but of his knee but can't and is playing severely hobbled. Third, did you really compare Letang to Lids in any degree? Forth, as mentioned above Joey played well while Jimmy was hurt but no one would think of giving him a couple year contract and going with him as your starting goalie. The team knows this even if they feel comfortable with how he is currently playing careerwise he is not a NHL starting goaltender and that affects how a team plays in front of him. Finally, dismiss Bert all you want but Babs was raving about him before got hurt and the team thought he was playing great enough to give him a two year contract and raise his pay (they obviously don't think he is that "easily replaceable").

Bottom, you don't just swap out 7 players including your two best and your starting goaltender and that not have an enormous impact.

#2270072 Call the team out

Posted by Frozen-Man on 14 March 2012 - 10:53 AM

I think people are getting pissy because other teams lose guys and keep rolling. This team loses a guy and falls apart and I think everyone has been pissed about the PP and its not injuries that are causing that problem.

I don't think that Jimmy, Pavs. Lids, Big Rig, Kindl, Bert, and Eaves are "a guy" . . . nor are three of those players regular "guys" --- You are talking about far and away the best forward on the team (and one of if not the best in the league), far and away the best defenseman on the team (and one of if not the best in the league), and a goalie that people on this site and elsewhere were saying should be considered (although probably not win) the Vezina (and also mentions of a Hart Trophy candidate). Other teams do not lose the combo of guys like that (along with the other four and a severly hobbled Cleary) and just "keep rolling"

#2270052 Call the team out

Posted by Frozen-Man on 14 March 2012 - 09:47 AM

The only regular on the powerplay point that is out is Lidstrom. Kronwall, White, and Hudler all got regular time there. Quincey has played the point a lot before he got here, and Smith is only being thrown in because Hudler is just that bad.

Let's not make excuses for just how incredibly bad this powerplay has been.

His point was about giving up the short handed goals. I'm pretty sure it was Smith that lost the puck that led to the shorty last night. The guys has 10 NHL games under his belt. It happens. I think that was the point.

#2269560 Please, for the love of God

Posted by Frozen-Man on 13 March 2012 - 01:55 PM

http://obnoxiousfan.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/terror-in-hockeytown-the-voices-sayst-louis-is-better/ I do not want the Blues to be the cause of such suffering. This person is frightening me, help him now! :o

Let's be honest. Apart from that being a dumb article that takes enormous leaps in logic, the writer is obviously a Blues fan writing as if he were a Wings fan. No need to worry about the Blues being the cause of this guys suffering, that is at least if/when they get knocked out of the playoffs.

#2269387 Playoff race thread

Posted by Frozen-Man on 12 March 2012 - 01:27 PM

i'm sorry i couldn't add some valuable hockey analysis as you did by posting a reply with a "****** chill" video and nothing else.

well done.

You didn't add valuable hockey analysis or even attempt to do so. All you ever do is trash the Wings players, coaches, and management. It is a constant attempt, sometimes under the veil of hockey "analysis" and sometimes just blatantly for the purpose of trolling. Perhaps you notice your comments are never positive, even handed, or anything but degrading and denigrating some aspect of the Wings organization.

Edit: You are correct, however, that I did not add "valuable hockey analysis" countering the statement that "without home ice advantage they are not beating the Canucks and that is a fact." It was a silly statement and not deserving of a serious response so I didn't provide one. However, great analysis on your "Hudler blows" comment real valuable analysis.

#2269381 Playoff race thread

Posted by Frozen-Man on 12 March 2012 - 01:15 PM

Without home ice they are not beating the Canucks and that's a fact. They may also not beat St.Loser without home and even with home ice they are still not safe as the Preds, Hawks, Blues & Canucks can all beat this flawed Wings team in the playoffs. Just like the 2010 & 2011 Wings playoff teams this is just as flawed!


#2263560 2012 NHL Trade Deadline Thread - February 27th, 3:00 PM ET

Posted by Frozen-Man on 27 February 2012 - 12:45 PM

This one is pretty funny:

Michael Grange ‏ @michaelgrange

I can see why Rick Nash is coveted by the Leafs: overpaid, under-achieving with four career post-season games. Perfect fit.

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#2263414 2012 NHL Trade Deadline Thread - February 27th, 3:00 PM ET

Posted by Frozen-Man on 27 February 2012 - 11:09 AM

i said this...where?

That is the inference from this post:

i can't wait to see the wings do absolutely nothing today. so glad they have all that cap space.

You articulate no good trade that the Wings could make, nothing that has been offered that the Wings should but didn't accept, and everyone is agreeing that sellers prices are ridiculously high this year (at least up to this point). The problem is that since all you do is whine, complain, moan, flame, and generally do whatever you can to be negative (hence the -640 rating) no one gives you the benefit of the doubt that you might just this once be making a reasonable and rational proposition.

#2263384 2012 NHL Trade Deadline Thread - February 27th, 3:00 PM ET

Posted by Frozen-Man on 27 February 2012 - 10:51 AM

so exactly what was your problem with my statement? i don't want holland to sit on this cap space when the team has obvious needs to address.

do you disagree with that?

or did you want to insult me again? i'd report those posts to a mod, but oh, what a surprise...you are one!

If you don't like it you could always just leave. I doubt many tears would be shed over your constant trolling.

#2244399 Study done on fighting in hockey

Posted by Frozen-Man on 11 January 2012 - 06:15 PM

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#2231691 In case you missed it...

Posted by Frozen-Man on 01 December 2011 - 01:53 PM

I absolutely canít stand Eddie O, his dislike for the Wings is so obvious. He really has to reach to say anything good about them. If it was an offensive play by the Wings he reports on the play by the defensive team and if it was an awesome play by the Wings defense he reports on the great attempt by the opposing team. It makes me sick!

WAIT, stop it right here Ė EDDIE YOU SUCK!

I'm not a huge fan of Eddie when he is commentating but I met him in a hotel lobby after game 1 of the 2008-2009 Stanley Cup Finals and he was very nice, to time to talk to everyone who came up to him and when I talked to him really complimented the Wings and how great they were in game 1

When he is commentating he can't get over his bias over the Hawks but in person he was a pretty nice guy.

#2231118 Wings are soft as hell.

Posted by Frozen-Man on 30 November 2011 - 01:00 PM

Well there were both huge in a stanley cup win last year, one scored more goals than anyone on our team and the other is a top 3 defenseman in the NHL.

So yeah they could destroy most of the wings in hockey, than beat them up

I don't disagree that Lucic was beneficial to the Bruins in the Playoffs last year but it is a extremely misleading to say that Lucic "scored more goals that anyone on our team" in the Playoffs last year. While technically true Lucic scored 5 goals in 25 games which is .20 goals/game. Z on the other hand scored 3 goals in 7 games which is .43 goals/game. At that pace Z would have scored 10.75 goals in 25 games and more than doubling Lucic's goals. In fact Z, Dats, Eaves, Homer, Helm, and Mule all had better goals/game than Lucic. Additionally, Bert, Cleary, and Flip were all right behind Lucic at .18 goals/game. When you play well over twice as many games as the players that you are comparing it not that relent how many goals were scored but rather how many goals were scored relative to the number of games that each player played. In fact, Lucic was tied with 3 other players for 5th-8th on his team in goals/game. It took Lucic 447 minutes and 32 seconds to score 5 goals throughout the playoffs whereas Z got 3 goals in 153 minutes and 56 seconds. Lucic also scored more goals that Bobby Ryan or Patrick Sharp, more than double Ryan Getzlaf, 5 times more than Dustin Brown, Patrick Kane, or Johnathan Towes. Like I said I don't disagree that Lucic is beneficial to his team but I find your comparison of his goals scored to the Red Wings goals scored to have no real relation.

#2219136 Who would you pick to have back on this team?

Posted by Frozen-Man on 28 October 2011 - 10:32 AM

2000-2001 Boyd Devereaux

but seriously 1988-89 Steve Yzerman - he was incredible.