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#2683831 Fans rank front offices....Wings 21st

Posted by roboturner on 25 July 2016 - 01:50 PM

Well these fans are supposed to decide how much confidence they would have in all of the the other management IF they were in charge of the team they root for.


Like we all like the Red Wings. So how much confidence would you have in, say, Lou Lamoriello and Brendan Shanahan and the rest of the Leafs management if they were in charge of the Red Wings in place of Ken Holland & Co.

So then you'd give a 1-10 ranking in those categories. I guess you'd have to take into account that those guys would no longer be under the Toronto media spotlight so they might do a little better in a different market...


Maybe it's just me, but the way they went about getting these rankings just seems to be a little...off?

#2683601 Fans rank front offices....Wings 21st

Posted by roboturner on 21 July 2016 - 05:47 PM

21st....sounds about right. How the turn tables....turn.


Look, I don't like what Kenny's been doing lately. And there are plenty of people who (with good reason) think that Yzerman in one of if not the best GM in the game right now.


But I am kinda wary of saying things like "If only Steve could have taken over the Wings..."

The situations are quite different to be making a GM-to-GM comparison, as if all the great moves that he made in Tampa (and the moves Nill makes in Dallas for that matter) would have worked out in Detroit. It's a different organization, the teams have different players in different stages of their careers and contracts. They have different assets and different prospects, ect...


I know they are both under a lot of pressure, it comes with the job. But I think it was probably a good thing for Yzerman's GM career and development that he wasn't under the extreme pressure of being the GM of the team to which he was an icon for 2 decades. I don't know that he would have handled things here the same way he handled them in Tampa (just to be clear, he might have done things the same, he might not have. I just don't know, just wanted to say it again), But I'm guessing that being with a different organization would make it a lot easier to manage the team without having to worry about his legacy as a Red Wing.


That being said, I still wish he was working for the Wings. The guy is very intelligent, thorough, adaptable (even back to his playing days), negotiated his last few contracts by himself, doesn't let emotion get in the way of what's best for the team (Drouin, St. Lous), ect..


Is he the best GM in the league? I don't know.

Is he in the top 5 (maybe even top 3)? I'd say yes, absolutely.

And where is Holland? 21st. Right where he belongs.

#2683568 Wings Sign G Jared Coreau

Posted by roboturner on 21 July 2016 - 11:11 AM


I'm not going to defend the Quincey situation, that was definitely a black eye for the organziation, but that one player (I did forget about him). My point is more so about when guys like Nestrasil or Jensen get put on waivers and people act like its a big deal when its not.

Right on. It just seems like we're in the same situation again where we might end up losing a "Kyle Quincy" and keeping the "Derek Meech" of the group.


But yeah for the most part, our loses through waivers have been very minor. Some guys I'm sure it'd have been nice to keep them, especially when you see they are doing well for whoever picked them up, but they weren't going to get a chance to play here anyway if they couldn't make the roster (Though who the Wings have decided to keep on their final roster in recent years has been a head-scratcher when you've got guys ready to step in and continue their development)

#2683552 Wings Sign G Jared Coreau

Posted by roboturner on 20 July 2016 - 11:23 PM


We haven't lost anyone of significance due to waivers. I know you have complained about Nestrasil being lost, and you always talk about Jensen possibly being put on waivers, but players like this have no value and are put on waivers every single year by every team. You can't give every young kid a chance, some just arent good enough, or are a dime a dozen. I would much rather have a Helm who you listed then a random young guy or Nestrasil.


Some guys definitely are left down too long, but some guys are brought up to quickly (Jurco), hindsight is always 20/20.

We draft Quincy late in the 4th round. We spend 3 years developing him in Grand Rapids (He play in 13 games for the Wings during that time). Then... when he's out of options, we lose Quincy to waivers (While keeping Derek Meech and Brett Lebda).

Fine, whatever. As you said guys get put on waivers all the time. But the story doesn't end there.

The Kings pick him up off waivers and that same season he led their team's defense in scoring. He does well for Colorado too.

Then... He gets traded to Steve Yzerman and the Lightning. Moments later, Yzerman traded Quincy to Detroit (who originally lost him for nothing through waivers) for.....A 1st round draft pick! 


Losing him to waivers (and then getting him back on the team) cost us a 4th round pick, 3 years of development AND a 1st round pick.

Losing a 4th rounder and 3 years development sucks

Losing a 4th rounder and 3 years development sucks when you keep Derek Meech and Brett Lebda on top of it.

Losing a 4th rounder and 3 years development sucks when you keep Derek Meech and Brett Lebda on top of it, and then on top of that have to spend a 1st rounder to get the 4th rounder back!


Suffice it to say I'm a little worried about Hollands ability to make the right decision about who gets waived and who stays on the team (for now). Of course all that could have been avoided if the Wings didn't bury guys in the minors and wait til 5 guys all lose their waiver eligibility at the same time to make a decision.


I know hindsight is 20/20 but this kind of incompetence really pisses me off

You take out Howard and E, and our contract situation IMO is fine. If those 2 contracts didn't exist, I don't think people would even be talking about the Helm contract.

I was gonna say something about this and now I don't remember what it was....

#2682317 For the Kenny apologists, what Holland move would change your stance o

Posted by roboturner on 05 July 2016 - 07:18 PM

I think there were a good number of Holland Apologists around a couple years ago (I'm thinking of like 2010-2014)


Kinda hard to hate on a guy one year removed from the Finals and two years removed from a Cup. But by 2010 we all knew Lids' playing days were numbered and Kenny didn't seem prepared (still hasn't really fixed it); he made bad signings and re-signings (Sammy, Cleary, Cleary again....); losing Quincy through waivers and then trading a 1st round pick to reacquire him; ect...


There were some who called it like it was, but there was a lot of pushback. In the past two years I'd say there's been a slow but steady move towards being more critical

#2674319 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by roboturner on 28 April 2016 - 07:13 PM

Instead of The Joe the nickname will be The Dough

#2674297 LGW Moderator Problems

Posted by roboturner on 28 April 2016 - 06:26 PM

Hometown fans booing their team is pretty much the equivalent of someone saying 'this team blows'

#2673102 Pavel Datsyuk Career Appreciation Thread (Mod Warning Post #40)

Posted by roboturner on 22 April 2016 - 10:16 PM

Still the best Datsyuk picture



#2672999 ECQF Game 5 Post-GDT: at Tampa Bay 1, Red Wings 0 (TB Wins, 4-1)

Posted by roboturner on 22 April 2016 - 01:50 PM

He screwed the pooch on the only goal scored. Like was said, of Howard had made that play he'd be the Anti-Christ

You're right. Howard would be getting torn to pieces. But Howard has a long history of poor puck handling whereas Petr is usually one of the best.


Is it going to be like this til Howard leaves? Every time Petr makes a mistake some Jimmy-slappy fan is gonna lament that "if that had been Howard....."


We know what would've happened "if it had been Howard".


But it wasn't. It was a different goalie with a different skill set at a different stage of his career. That's why there's a different reaction.

#2672240 ECQF Game 5 GDT : Red Wings at Tampa Bay Lightning, 7:00 EST

Posted by roboturner on 21 April 2016 - 06:54 PM

Ozgood ripping into the power play. "Not really sure what they're trying to do here"    No one else does either, Ozzie.

#2667474 ECQF Game 1 GTD: Red Wings at Tampa Bay Lightning, 7:00 ET

Posted by roboturner on 13 April 2016 - 11:04 AM


#2664805 4/6 GDT : Philadelphia Flyers at Red Wings, 8:00 ET

Posted by roboturner on 06 April 2016 - 06:38 PM


#2663960 4/2 GDT : Detroit Red Wings at Toronto Maple Leafs, 7:00 PM EDT

Posted by roboturner on 02 April 2016 - 05:52 PM

Posting this early for good luck.



#2660741 3/17 GDT - Red Wings at Blue Jackets - 7:00 PM EST

Posted by roboturner on 17 March 2016 - 08:18 PM

sorry I haven't been posting much lately. Haven't been feeling well for the past month or so.


But Howie has been playing really well tonight and he's getting some nice support from the team on moth ends. AA and Mantha both look great. AND ZETERBERG SCORED! Nice. and HELm ohhhe miss the net.....

#2657681 3/6 GDT : Detroit Red Wings at Chicago Blackhawks, 5:00PM EST

Posted by roboturner on 06 March 2016 - 05:49 PM

Here's a fun fact. Since Larkin and AA are both so fast, they will actually age slightly slower than everybody else to Einstein's Theory of Relativity :thumbup: