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#2495452 3/14 GDT : Edmonton Oilers 1 at Red Wings 2 (F/SO)

Posted by roboturner on 15 March 2014 - 10:46 AM

We won the game. We would not even be in the playoff hunt given all these injuries if it wasn't for the coaching of mike Babcock. There is a reason he is the highest paid coach in the league and you are a fan like me who comes onto forums to talk about what we think... He clearly has far more hockey knowledge then you or I. IMO babs should be coach of the year no doubt if he gets us into the playoffs.

I hate how fans complain when we don't win, which is understandable but then they even complain when we win. I know your a passionate fan and I respect that, but have some faith in the guy who is keeping this team in the run.

I agree that he's helped us manage the injuries. But it doesn't mean we can't pick apart his (sometimes) dumb decisions. This is the same guy who wanted Cleary and Bert over Nyquist and Tatar. Where would we be right now if he hadn't changed his mind?? Where would we be if he had changed his mind sooner? I can say with almost certainty that we wouldn't be in the scramble that we're in now. (Unless you think Bert and Ernie would have put up the points to help us win games that Goose and Tats have. I can't imagine too many rational people would think that.)


If anybody around here complains after a loss, they are labeled reactionary and not worthy of giving their opinion.

If you complain after a win, you're told to shut up and ignore the problem cuz it didn't cost us the game.


Is there any time around here that people are allowed to discuss the problems of this team without being told they aren't a "true fan"?

#2495108 Howard = Average

Posted by roboturner on 14 March 2014 - 12:27 PM


It's fine to measure Howard against other goaltenders. It makes the most sense to compare him to current goaltenders in the league. 


Had you read the posts on this page before spouting off, you'd see that the debate was turning into one about retired goaltender Chris Osgood.  That is not the thread topic, not very helpful in evaluating Howard's performance, and has a long history on this forum of derailing countless threads with flame wars. 


Not to speak for vladdy but her warning was basically stop arguing about Osgood and get back on topic. 

I have read it. What do you think is going to happen when you have 50 people in a discussion and only one place to discuss it?  Some will talk only on topic and some convos/arguments will naturally shift to include someone else while still being most relevant to the earlier topic.


It only makes sense that he is compared to his predecessor. You know like how Aaron Rodgers discussions can at times turn into Rodgers vs Favre. It's not like Osgood played in the 70's, he just stopped playing a few years ago, and for the same Team! There are a number of players currently on the team that played with both of them!


Again, would you like to start another thread and have Two Jimmy Howard Threads?? Go ahead I'll post in both. But you know damn well that the conversations will end up being about the same thing that could be discussed in one thread.

#2495102 Howard = Average

Posted by roboturner on 14 March 2014 - 12:08 PM

How are we supposed to measure whether Howard is any good if you don't compare him to other goalies?? For being a discussion board you Mods sure hate discussion taking place.


I don't really know what you guys want. Should we start a goalie comparison thread, one which will inevitably lead to Howard being discussed. Then we would have TWO Howard threads! Or would it be reasonable to discuss that in this thread? You know, the one specifically about Howard.

#2494089 Deadspin: Panthers pull off worst line change in history

Posted by roboturner on 10 March 2014 - 03:53 PM

It probably wasn't quite as bad as this picture makes it look. Players routinely leap over the bench before the other player has gotten off. That's just standard procedure in any level of hockey.


Looks like 3 for sure are headed off the ice, maybe 4. But still, there were 7 guys on the ice ready to make a play. Not good any way you look at it.

#2493959 Howard = Average

Posted by roboturner on 09 March 2014 - 08:37 PM

i love how everyone attacks jimmy look at today it was 3-0 i didnt know goalies where suppose to score too its sad we get 7 goals with gus and none with jimmy 

We're not attacking him over today's game. That would be stupid. We're attacking his overall numbers for the whole season. They aren't good.


I understand the want to look at each goal against individually and say "That one was tipped, not his fault." or "Not getting any help from the defense, not his fault." and in some instances that true, not all of the goals he gives up are his fault.


But at some point you have to look at his overall numbers and realized he's just not getting it done.


When he signed his new contract he was paid as a Top 10 NHL Goalie.  Most of his stats currently rank him in the 30-40s, not Top 10. The guys record is 13-25 (Don't be fooled by the W-L-OL stat. A win is a win and a loss is a loss!). THIRTEEN AND TWENTY-FIVE!!! That's not the kind of record and not the kind of stats you want out of your Top 10 Starting Goalie. If it was one or the other that was bad and the other was reasonable, that might be more acceptable, but as it currently stands its just not good enough. The Team is already struggling enough as it is, we don't need a shaky goalie w/ confidence issues added to it.

#2493879 3/9 GDT: Red Wings at Rangers

Posted by roboturner on 09 March 2014 - 02:12 PM

Here is how Howard ranks in some categories.


Wins:                     30th with 13 wins......Top 19 goalies all have 20+ wins

Overtime Loses:    1st with 10 (yes 10! overtime loses, not good)

GAA:                      40th (subtracted a few guys who played less than 10 games)

SV%:                      40th (again subtracted the guys with less than 10 games)



So what we have is a goalie who is CURRENTLY 30th-40th in terms of numbers compared to other NHL Goalies and has the most overtime/SO loses (meaning he isn't very clutch when the time comes).


I stressed Currently because you can argue about what he did in the past or what he might do in the future, but RIGHT NOW he is not very good. and nowhere near ELITE, unless you consider being the 30th best goalie in the league elite!


Edit: And I understand that it's not 100% his fault, the rest of the team has some impact on these numbers, but that only gets you so far. I mean Ryan Miller was putting up better numbers in BUF and they have a really s***ty team.

#2493842 3/9 GDT: Red Wings at Rangers

Posted by roboturner on 09 March 2014 - 01:48 PM


What will be different then? Wings fans will turn on him within 2 seasons. The only goalie wings fans ever approve of is the one thats next up. Hell Hasek and Sawchuck could both be in net at the same time and there would still be people saying the Wings goaltending is terrible.

Well for one Mrazek can actually play the puck which by itself is going to limit a number of goals that Howard would normally give up due to his extreme lack of puck-playing ability.

Seriously, I never thought there could be a goalie that was as bad a puck mover as Howard is. I thought it was just because he was a rookie and kind of nervous that he never played the puck early on but its been YEARS since he been here and he still sucks at it.

#2492211 3/6 GDT: Avs 3 at Red Wings 2 (OT) Sorry Nick.

Posted by roboturner on 06 March 2014 - 10:36 PM

Jimmy has to put more of an effort in.

Once his stick got knocked out he just gave up on the play..

It's so pathetic watching his lack of effort sometimes.


And he refuses to handle the puck like a normal goalie which leads to far more defensive zone faceoffs and for more goals let in off the draw.

#2491906 3/6 GDT: Avs 3 at Red Wings 2 (OT) Sorry Nick.

Posted by roboturner on 06 March 2014 - 07:22 PM

Why does it feel like Nick is on The Price Is Right or something

#2490867 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by roboturner on 05 March 2014 - 04:29 PM

First the Quincy trade

Then resigning Sammy

Then resigning Cleary

Now This????



#2486737 Injury Updates

Posted by roboturner on 25 February 2014 - 10:03 PM

Canada is deep enough to make 2 teams that would win gold. We don't need Z or D.

Sooo....it's fine if all those players come from other NHL teams, just not the one you like?


If Jonathan Toews had played injured for Canada, then came back and missed a game for the Hawks, would you care? Or would you only care if you were a hawks fan? Or if Toews played for the wings?


#2485873 Zetterberg out with herniated disc

Posted by roboturner on 21 February 2014 - 01:49 PM

Sounds like it was a simple discectomy (maybe not simple with the way they are describing a "floating piece" of disc). I had the same surgery about 4 years ago. With the disc pressing on any nerve, that pain was about 20 times worse than just the disc being degenerative. The nerve pain is what really stops you from doing your normal activities. With the disc no longer pressing on the nerve, he'll start feeling quite a bit better.


I'm confident an athletically built Zetterberg with world class after-surgery care will be back to his normal self.

#2484859 Zetterberg out with herniated disc

Posted by roboturner on 18 February 2014 - 11:05 AM

"My take is, it's a great stage to showcase our players," he said today. "The USA-Russia game drew tremendous numbers back in the U.S. It's best on best.

"The injury to Henrik, really in my opinion, had nothing to do with Olympics. It's been an issue that set in in December, which he worked hard to overcome. Whether in the Olympics or NHL, it probably would have been the same situation.


"In 2002, Stevie Yzerman played in the Olympics, didn't play another game for us, then helped us win the Stanley Cup. I'm not going to sit here and judge our players. With Pavel, he has been a warrior for us since he showed up in 2001. I'm not sure where we'd be without him. He knows his body better than anybody, and I think he's earned the right to make the decision based on how his body feels."

Ken Holland on Zets injury per The Malik Report

#2484238 Zetterberg out with herniated disc

Posted by roboturner on 15 February 2014 - 12:31 PM

Man...some f***ing people on this board have have some serious issues using logic and reason. It wouldn't be that bad if they weren't so arrogant about their arguments.


I mean if your argument is "If his pre-existing injury flares up while playing hockey in the US, THAT'S FINE!!.

But if his pre-existing injury flares up while playing hockey with a different group of players, on a different/bigger sheet of ice, against lower competition, playing a less physical style of hockey (along with other ridiculous notions about payment/contracts and vacation days which have been debunked countless times), then all of a sudden he's a horrible selfish person who is only thinking of himself and wasn't thinking about the fans (ME specifically!! wahhh!! wahhh!)"


Seriously?? That's your argument??


I have a herniated disc/degenerative disc disease in my low back. I have to take a huge amount of Vicodin and medical marijuana just to sit through 12 credits of classes. I know exactly how painful it can be at times and what kind of things can aggravate it (nobody has even said how he hurt it. All it takes sometimes is getting in your car the wrong way, especially when it's already flaring up because you've been pushing through it for months). I can't imagine playing hockey at the NHL level with the amount of pain I have sometimes.



If you think that Z playing through the pain for the past few months (FOR THE WINGS!!) is anything short of a miracle, especially with this training staff, then I just don't know what somebody has to do to please you. I honestly feel bad for anybody that has to deal with you guys on a daily basis.

#2483414 NHL players will not participate in 2018 Olympics (Mod Post #99)

Posted by roboturner on 11 February 2014 - 11:39 PM

Oh I think I estimated the owners about right. I think everybody else is overestimating the owners concerns about shutting down the league.


Just think about this for a second, these are the same guys who wiped out an entire season and almost another (maybe about 52 weeks worth of games). Do you honestly think these guys are worried about 2-3 weeks every 4 years?? That's child's play to these guys. And I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the owners who have a problem with the Olympics are the same ones who supported the lockouts. Talk about irony.