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#2493879 3/9 GDT: Red Wings at Rangers

Posted by roboturner on 09 March 2014 - 02:12 PM

Here is how Howard ranks in some categories.


Wins:                     30th with 13 wins......Top 19 goalies all have 20+ wins

Overtime Loses:    1st with 10 (yes 10! overtime loses, not good)

GAA:                      40th (subtracted a few guys who played less than 10 games)

SV%:                      40th (again subtracted the guys with less than 10 games)



So what we have is a goalie who is CURRENTLY 30th-40th in terms of numbers compared to other NHL Goalies and has the most overtime/SO loses (meaning he isn't very clutch when the time comes).


I stressed Currently because you can argue about what he did in the past or what he might do in the future, but RIGHT NOW he is not very good. and nowhere near ELITE, unless you consider being the 30th best goalie in the league elite!


Edit: And I understand that it's not 100% his fault, the rest of the team has some impact on these numbers, but that only gets you so far. I mean Ryan Miller was putting up better numbers in BUF and they have a really s***ty team.

#2493842 3/9 GDT: Red Wings at Rangers

Posted by roboturner on 09 March 2014 - 01:48 PM


What will be different then? Wings fans will turn on him within 2 seasons. The only goalie wings fans ever approve of is the one thats next up. Hell Hasek and Sawchuck could both be in net at the same time and there would still be people saying the Wings goaltending is terrible.

Well for one Mrazek can actually play the puck which by itself is going to limit a number of goals that Howard would normally give up due to his extreme lack of puck-playing ability.

Seriously, I never thought there could be a goalie that was as bad a puck mover as Howard is. I thought it was just because he was a rookie and kind of nervous that he never played the puck early on but its been YEARS since he been here and he still sucks at it.

#2492211 3/6 GDT: Avs 3 at Red Wings 2 (OT) Sorry Nick.

Posted by roboturner on 06 March 2014 - 10:36 PM

Jimmy has to put more of an effort in.

Once his stick got knocked out he just gave up on the play..

It's so pathetic watching his lack of effort sometimes.


And he refuses to handle the puck like a normal goalie which leads to far more defensive zone faceoffs and for more goals let in off the draw.

#2491906 3/6 GDT: Avs 3 at Red Wings 2 (OT) Sorry Nick.

Posted by roboturner on 06 March 2014 - 07:22 PM

Why does it feel like Nick is on The Price Is Right or something

#2490867 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by roboturner on 05 March 2014 - 04:29 PM

First the Quincy trade

Then resigning Sammy

Then resigning Cleary

Now This????



#2486737 Injury Updates

Posted by roboturner on 25 February 2014 - 10:03 PM

Canada is deep enough to make 2 teams that would win gold. We don't need Z or D.

Sooo....it's fine if all those players come from other NHL teams, just not the one you like?


If Jonathan Toews had played injured for Canada, then came back and missed a game for the Hawks, would you care? Or would you only care if you were a hawks fan? Or if Toews played for the wings?


#2485873 Zetterberg out with herniated disc

Posted by roboturner on 21 February 2014 - 01:49 PM

Sounds like it was a simple discectomy (maybe not simple with the way they are describing a "floating piece" of disc). I had the same surgery about 4 years ago. With the disc pressing on any nerve, that pain was about 20 times worse than just the disc being degenerative. The nerve pain is what really stops you from doing your normal activities. With the disc no longer pressing on the nerve, he'll start feeling quite a bit better.


I'm confident an athletically built Zetterberg with world class after-surgery care will be back to his normal self.

#2484859 Zetterberg out with herniated disc

Posted by roboturner on 18 February 2014 - 11:05 AM

"My take is, it's a great stage to showcase our players," he said today. "The USA-Russia game drew tremendous numbers back in the U.S. It's best on best.

"The injury to Henrik, really in my opinion, had nothing to do with Olympics. It's been an issue that set in in December, which he worked hard to overcome. Whether in the Olympics or NHL, it probably would have been the same situation.


"In 2002, Stevie Yzerman played in the Olympics, didn't play another game for us, then helped us win the Stanley Cup. I'm not going to sit here and judge our players. With Pavel, he has been a warrior for us since he showed up in 2001. I'm not sure where we'd be without him. He knows his body better than anybody, and I think he's earned the right to make the decision based on how his body feels."

Ken Holland on Zets injury per The Malik Report

#2484238 Zetterberg out with herniated disc

Posted by roboturner on 15 February 2014 - 12:31 PM

Man...some f***ing people on this board have have some serious issues using logic and reason. It wouldn't be that bad if they weren't so arrogant about their arguments.


I mean if your argument is "If his pre-existing injury flares up while playing hockey in the US, THAT'S FINE!!.

But if his pre-existing injury flares up while playing hockey with a different group of players, on a different/bigger sheet of ice, against lower competition, playing a less physical style of hockey (along with other ridiculous notions about payment/contracts and vacation days which have been debunked countless times), then all of a sudden he's a horrible selfish person who is only thinking of himself and wasn't thinking about the fans (ME specifically!! wahhh!! wahhh!)"


Seriously?? That's your argument??


I have a herniated disc/degenerative disc disease in my low back. I have to take a huge amount of Vicodin and medical marijuana just to sit through 12 credits of classes. I know exactly how painful it can be at times and what kind of things can aggravate it (nobody has even said how he hurt it. All it takes sometimes is getting in your car the wrong way, especially when it's already flaring up because you've been pushing through it for months). I can't imagine playing hockey at the NHL level with the amount of pain I have sometimes.



If you think that Z playing through the pain for the past few months (FOR THE WINGS!!) is anything short of a miracle, especially with this training staff, then I just don't know what somebody has to do to please you. I honestly feel bad for anybody that has to deal with you guys on a daily basis.

#2483414 NHL players will not participate in 2018 Olympics (Mod Post #99)

Posted by roboturner on 11 February 2014 - 11:39 PM

Oh I think I estimated the owners about right. I think everybody else is overestimating the owners concerns about shutting down the league.


Just think about this for a second, these are the same guys who wiped out an entire season and almost another (maybe about 52 weeks worth of games). Do you honestly think these guys are worried about 2-3 weeks every 4 years?? That's child's play to these guys. And I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the owners who have a problem with the Olympics are the same ones who supported the lockouts. Talk about irony.

#2483397 NHL players will not participate in 2018 Olympics (Mod Post #99)

Posted by roboturner on 11 February 2014 - 07:17 PM

1 - not many actors making $20M for a TV season....but, whatever they are making....2 - yes, that doesn mean they can't go making a movie if it interferes with the filming of the TV show.


That's the whole point of contention here, the NHL does not like the idea of shutting down in the middle of their season.  It wouldn't be as big of a deal if the Olympics were in the off-season (some owners would still have a problem with it, but it certainly wouldn't be as big of an issue).

1A. The number doesn't matter, I was responding to the assertion that if you make greater than X amount of dollars, then the person who willingly gave it to you in exchange for you're service somehow has the power to stop you from doing what you professionally do.


2A. That wasn't my argument, I said if they weren't filming the TV show for say 2 months, you can't stop the Actor from taking a 6 week movie gig in the time off just because you don't like it.


3. That isn't the whole point of contention. A part of it, yes (maybe a big part of it), but not the whole point. And I understand the principle behind it, but I think any negative effects of "shutting down during the season" are just a figment of people's imaginations.


We're talking about moving from an average of 2.8 games per week for each team during non-interrupted seasons

to 3.03 games per week during Olympic years (Every 4 seasons) due to the two week break. Still the same 82 games being scheduled that they have every year.


We're talking about maybe 50 out of 600 NHL players for a whopping 8% of employees going to the Olympics (I just took these numbers out of a hat, if anybody has the real numbers I'll redo the calculations). Over 90% of NHL players are getting a two week vacation to rest/heal/recover/get healthy. And there are a few teams that are actually sending younger players to the minors to play some games over the break, so the organizations obviously aren't too worried about players getting injured playing for someone else.


As I've covered in other posts, the owners aren't actually losing any home games or mysteriously required to pay out an extra paycheck to every player. These are all non issues. Are there other issues that might be legitimate? Yeah, there are. But I think everything I've discussed in this thread should/could be resolved by using l little more brain power.

#2483283 NHL players will not participate in 2018 Olympics (Mod Post #99)

Posted by roboturner on 10 February 2014 - 09:51 PM


The issues being that  the players are getting paid by the NHL teams to go play an international tournament where they can  potentially come back injured.

The main money issue comes with the non 10 or 11 major profiting NHL teams. They have trouble with forming a solid fan base as it is.  Taking a two week break when the playoff race is heating up does not fair well for them. We are the only major North American sport to do this. There are also obvious positives with the NHL attending  the Olympics.

I don't really think they are. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if a player has a contract that pays them say $5 million for an 82 game NHL season, why would you think they have to pay them any differently for an 82 game NHL season with a two week break in the middle.


If the owners are so worried about losing money/profits during the olympic break then maybe the team is somewhere where it shouldn't be to begin with.

And if they were really worried about "protecting their investments", they wouldn't be locking the players away from team training staffs every few years and forcing the player to go "potentially get injured" with an overseas team.


What it boils down to is, its only 2-3 weeks every 4 years. I could see if they were held every year or even every two years, but every 4 years?? F***in deal with it.

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#2483225 NHL players will not participate in 2018 Olympics (Mod Post #99)

Posted by roboturner on 10 February 2014 - 04:33 PM

Well, that's the argument, I'm just not sure it really works.  Who is watching these games?  Non fans that all of a sudden start watching the NHL?  Or is it already existing NHL fans?  There is also a big difference between games in Vancouver and games in Sochi or other parts of the world.

Who is watching these games?? A bunch of people who otherwise wouldn't be watching Hockey.


Who is watching Olympic Bobsledding or Speed Skating or Curling or any Olympic Sport? Probably not a whole lot of people that follow those sports outside of the Olympics. This is their chance to get fresh eyeballs on their sport and plant the seed in people's mind that this might be something they would enjoy seeing more of.



Or Datsyuk and and Kronwall collide at center ice and both get hurt and are out for the regular season.  Kiss the playoffs goodbye Wings fans.

Or what happens if they both play great, get a confidence boost coming back to the Wings, go on a tear and win the Stanley Cup.


I mean any player could get in a car accident on their way to the arena everyday, but would you want to physically stop them from getting to the games just in case something happens? Should they all be required to live in a building attached to the rink so that cant happen?

They are Hockey Players! Let Them Play Hockey!!

#2483205 NHL players will not participate in 2018 Olympics (Mod Post #99)

Posted by roboturner on 10 February 2014 - 02:30 PM

I think this is a bad move. Doesn't anybody remember the last Olympics??


USA vs Canada Gold Medal game goes to overtime, the game got huge ratings and that undoubtedly got more people interested in the game of Hockey/NHL.


I mean you get 2 weeks of huge advertising for your sport, while losing no regularly scheduled games, and the owners are going to complain about this?? Are they f***ing kiding me?


(oh but if THEY shut down the league with NO games being played, they lose fans, they become a joke of a sport; thats all GREAT for the game of Hockey hey??)

#2481995 Vets over the Kids?, not any more eh Babs.

Posted by roboturner on 06 February 2014 - 08:52 PM

It's so funny that Holland believed Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Alfredsson and Kronwall wasn't enough veteran presence for this team

Yeah I didn't really get this mindset either. There is more than enough Vet presence on the ice and in the locker room. Absolutely no need to resign a broken down Cleary for those roles. Lets just thank the Universe Cleary turned down that rumored initial offer of 3 YEARS and who cares whatever dollar amount it was!


The kids have proven what a dangerous team this can be with them on it and it shouldn't have taken half the season and a TON of injuries to ice the best possible line-up.