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#2500982 3/25 GDT - Red Wings 2 at Blue Jackets 4

Posted by roboturner on 25 March 2014 - 07:16 PM


It's a travesty that our two best players didn't fully commit to the rest of the season and that we have the worst doctors/trainers in the NHL.  


The refs will always be bad in sports, until you have robots replace them.  Robots that make no mistakes.  Refs sucking is just like Bertuzzi sucking or Smith sucking.  Part of human error and occasional ineptitude.  

Dude, they went to the Olympics. It's over.

Zetterberg would be out right now regardless

Datsyuk could have been done playing for the Wings for good after this year so he could play in his home country and spend more time with his family, but instead he "selfishly" (as you claim) signed on with us for another 3f****** years. Get over it!

#2500230 3/23 GDT: Red Wings vs Wild

Posted by roboturner on 23 March 2014 - 09:15 PM

That's one way of looking at it. Or the only reason we got to overtime was because of Howard.

Or you guys could both be right....(or both be wrong)


He may have kept us in the game AND missed another timely save

#2499805 3/23 GDT: Red Wings vs Wild

Posted by roboturner on 23 March 2014 - 07:43 PM

HUGE save Howie!

Guy shot it right where his blocker was going to be, he doesn't get credit for that

#2499771 3/23 GDT: Red Wings vs Wild

Posted by roboturner on 23 March 2014 - 07:22 PM

Fair point, but it's not like he tried to blow him up or anything. That was incidental contact, as it looked like he was driving to the edge of the crease by the post to get the shot rather than trying to drive into Bryz. Huge difference, imho. Nothing like Probie's cannonball into a goalie when he was in Adirondack.

True, true. I wasn't trying to say he did it on purpose. It's just it sounds like people want preferential treatment for the Wings, and not consistency league-wide like you would think.

#2499652 3/23 GDT: Red Wings vs Wild

Posted by roboturner on 23 March 2014 - 06:51 PM

Can't give Howard credit for that save, the guy shot it right into his arm. That's not his fault!! (reverse of the "not his fault, it's the defense argument" for you guys who don't get it. :bye1: )


But seriously that was a nice save!!

#2499318 3/22 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Wild 2

Posted by roboturner on 22 March 2014 - 04:41 PM

He was fantastic today. That isn't blind praise. Also, you do realize there are plenty of people here on the opposite end of the spectrum regarding Howard, right?

It is blind praise when there are constant excuses when things are bad for him, and when he's playing well he's the greatest goalie and somehow ALL the bad things he does are ignored.


I'm sure there are, but to get to that point you have to think "OK, if he wasn't playing for the Wings, would I think he's an above average goalie? Would I want him on my team?"  Then you take a critical look at his game.


It seems most "Howard Supporters" are just that. Supporters. "I'm going to support Howard no matter what cuz he's on the Wings and I'm a fan of the Wings so I can't think bad thoughts about any aspect of his game or I won't be a true fan and anybody who doesn't support him 100% no matter shouldn't voice their concerns and opinions Y cant U jsut support him!!"


If you're referencing people saying "he sucks" right after goal without any other thoughts or analysis going into that, then yeah they are just as guilty as people saying "Average Save There, Hey Guys!!" after he makes one nice save and not putting any other thoughts or analysis into it.


It's the same thing.  Selecting only the instances that confirm your theory and ignoring all the instances that don't isn't going to get you to an informed, rational position, whatever that position is.


If I selected only his greatest moments he would seem like a great, above average NHL goalie.

If I selected only his weakest moments he would seem like a s***ty, below average NHL goalie.

If I look at ALL his work, then and only then could you make a determination on how well he actually plays. That's all I'm advocating. I don't care where you fall once you've done that.

#2499293 3/22 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Wild 2

Posted by roboturner on 22 March 2014 - 04:07 PM

Man that Babs interview was funny. "I thought it was the 80's when I saw him come back to the bench after that!"

#2499194 3/22 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Wild 2

Posted by roboturner on 22 March 2014 - 03:33 PM

Jimmy with two nice saves. Lots of average goaltending from him today.

Again, it is indeed possible for an average goalie to make nice, above average saves.

He lets in A LOT of bad/poorly timed goals (in addition to his lack of puck playing ability and rebound control).


And when you don't ignore half the information, we arrive at.....Howard Is AVERAGE!!!

Amazing how that works hey?

#2499181 3/22 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Wild 2

Posted by roboturner on 22 March 2014 - 03:28 PM

Don't be stupid. The call was incorrect but I can see why it was missed. Plenty of stuff worse than that in this game alone. That being said, the only reason it was called back was because of the score.

You said not to be stupid, but then you allow the refs to make calls based on the score and not on the merit of the penalty?

#2498133 3/20 GDT - Penguins 4 at Red Wings 5 (OT)

Posted by roboturner on 20 March 2014 - 08:54 PM

In the past 4 days I've read "Nyquist is terrible", "Tatar should be scratched" and "I don't like Tatar's play-style"  What can be said about these boards?  I try not to let 2-3 silly people get to me, but sometimes I fail and they do.

Haha me too. Whenever I say "someone here said...." it was usually only one or maybe a handful of people saying that. And its even less likely that it is the person that I'm responding to haha

#2498075 3/20 GDT - Penguins 4 at Red Wings 5 (OT)

Posted by roboturner on 20 March 2014 - 08:47 PM

Average save by Howard. But no, he can't make the big save at all.

You understand that an average goalie can sometimes make above average saves, right??

He lets in a lot of below average goals too.


Hence we end up at him being.......AVERAGE!!!

#2496150 3/16 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 4

Posted by roboturner on 17 March 2014 - 09:57 AM

Roenick nailed it last night post game.

Fact is, we have no talent. You can't plug 3rd and 4th liners on the top lines and expect it to work, as the 3 goals in last 4 games illustrates.

Guys like Nyquist and Tatar are future solid 3rd liners, but let's face it, they're no superstars. The only prospect that has superstar potential is Mantha.

Even if we let all the old guys go in the off season, I don't see us doing much better next season. It will be a mix between declining vets and 3rd line kids....

Don't know how we are gonna get better anytime soon.

Are you really relegating those two to the 3rd line for the rest of their careers already??

They've played one season with the Wings.

They will improve their game.

Datsyuk was a 3rd line player his first year in the league, would you really have left him on the 3rd line as he got more comfortable in the league and improved his game?

#2495594 A great scrap ends in....A high five and a hug?

Posted by roboturner on 16 March 2014 - 03:15 PM

So give each other a high five and a hug.... 



OH MY GOD that was PERFECT!!!  


HAHAHAHAHA oh I've got tears in my eyes!!

#2495563 A great scrap ends in....A high five and a hug?

Posted by roboturner on 16 March 2014 - 11:54 AM


Well, that's your opinion.  I've already stated mine.  

I understand the last part is my own opinion of how meaningful it was.

I understand that a fight over bad blood is more meaningful than one over two guys that bumped into each other in a contact sport.


I don't understand how you think a fight over an injured friend and teammate is "more fun" as you put it.


I don't understand your claim that is was "meaningless - (adj) without meaning, significance, purpose, or value; purposeless; insignificant:"  just because they showed some respect for each other after it was over.


Do you think that every playoff series that ends in a handshake line loses it's significance just because they acknowledge each others hard fought battles afterward?


When a guy like Mariano Rivera goes around to every ballpark during his last year as a pro and gets acknowledged by the OTHER TEAM'S FANS for what he did during his career, you think that's "meaningless" to him? or to you?? Even if you personally don't find it meaningful doesn't mean it has no meaning to anybody.

#2495452 3/14 GDT : Edmonton Oilers 1 at Red Wings 2 (F/SO)

Posted by roboturner on 15 March 2014 - 10:46 AM

We won the game. We would not even be in the playoff hunt given all these injuries if it wasn't for the coaching of mike Babcock. There is a reason he is the highest paid coach in the league and you are a fan like me who comes onto forums to talk about what we think... He clearly has far more hockey knowledge then you or I. IMO babs should be coach of the year no doubt if he gets us into the playoffs.

I hate how fans complain when we don't win, which is understandable but then they even complain when we win. I know your a passionate fan and I respect that, but have some faith in the guy who is keeping this team in the run.

I agree that he's helped us manage the injuries. But it doesn't mean we can't pick apart his (sometimes) dumb decisions. This is the same guy who wanted Cleary and Bert over Nyquist and Tatar. Where would we be right now if he hadn't changed his mind?? Where would we be if he had changed his mind sooner? I can say with almost certainty that we wouldn't be in the scramble that we're in now. (Unless you think Bert and Ernie would have put up the points to help us win games that Goose and Tats have. I can't imagine too many rational people would think that.)


If anybody around here complains after a loss, they are labeled reactionary and not worthy of giving their opinion.

If you complain after a win, you're told to shut up and ignore the problem cuz it didn't cost us the game.


Is there any time around here that people are allowed to discuss the problems of this team without being told they aren't a "true fan"?