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In Topic: Wings Need on D and Glaring Inconsistencies

18 November 2015 - 04:56 PM

Not sure if this has been posted somewhere, but Friedman is reporting that the Islanders are trying to move Hamonic.




Would be a great pickup if the price is right.

In Topic: Abby Signs 7-year, 29.75 mil Extension

12 November 2015 - 02:06 PM


Fair enough.


I still think Ericcson should be paid as a bottom pairing defenceman though :)


After looking at the average salaries for mid pairing dmen I'd say Quincey isn't a horrible price but only because his play has improved. At the time the contract was made it was bad


I don't mind Erriccson as much as it seems everyone else does, but I'm obviously in the minority. Agreed on Quincey, he's really turned around his play from when he first got back to the D.

In Topic: Abby Signs 7-year, 29.75 mil Extension

12 November 2015 - 01:40 PM


This is true, but these are #1/2 Dmen and are being compared with guys who are supposed to be 3,4.


To compare salaries of 3,4 dmen:


Cam Fowler 4M

Jack Johnson 4.2M

Johnny Oduya 3.7M

Dmitri Kulikov 4.5M

Ryan Mcdonagh 4.7M

Kevin Klein 3M

Jon Carlson 4M


I'd take these players over Quincey/Ericsson, with the exception maybe being Jack Johnson and Oduya


Although these salaries do prove that mid pairing Dmen make 4-5M so if Quincey is a mid pairing guy he isn't overpaid. I'll agree there


Agreed on not taking those two, and I'd maybe include Klein. But the rest of the contracts we're all signed when the guys were young, and not the talents they currently are. Fowler signed his when he was 20, Carlson when he was 22, and McDonagh 23. Also these were their first chance at some money, while their teams have more bargaining power. You're not comparing apples to apples, the going price of mid level free agent defensemen these days is in the mid 4s to 5s. in order to get the contracts you're comparing them to we need to develop some of our own young dmen.

In Topic: Abby Signs 7-year, 29.75 mil Extension

12 November 2015 - 01:16 PM


He shouldn't be a top 4 dman...that money could have went elsewhere to a legit top 4. I don't understand how its ok to pay him that much just because we were forced to give him top minutes. He plays top pairing minutes even though he plays like a 6th dman


Quincey is overpaid, Kindl is here next season as well. Even Green is overpaid. Abby's contract will be bad in 3-4 years.


#1,2 defenceman who make roughly the same as Quincey and Green:

Roman Josi 4M

OEL 5.5M

Keith 5.5M

Adam Larsson 4M

Yandle 3M


You're kinda cherry picking contracts, without providing the context in which they were signed. Yandle actually makes over 5 million, with Phoenix retaining salary to produce that cap number. Keith signed one of those crazy lifetime deals like Zetterberg and Hossa which keeps his cap hit down, otherwise he'd be one of the top salary guys in the league. Larsson is having a breakout year and finally looking like the top prospect he was, but before this year he hadn't been great. Josi signed his contract 3 years ago when he was 22 and just breaking out. OEL also was 21 when he signed his contract, and will be in for a payday on his next contract.

In Topic: 10/10 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Hurricanes 3

10 October 2015 - 08:10 PM

thinking the same thing

Don't think so. I think if you watch carefully it's the Carolina player that passes it to Pulkkinen.