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#2608661 Question for the Board regarding Babcock

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 19 May 2015 - 09:19 PM


#2608644 Question for the Board regarding Babcock

Posted by pondrocket on 19 May 2015 - 06:36 PM

I like Babcock.  I think he has achieved allot with some below average teams.  My impression (just reading all the same stuff everybody else does) is that he would really like to stay, but just doesn't see the team as competitive as it needs to be.  If I am being honest with myself I don't think this team is worthy of a top coach.  Too many holes, Hank & Pav are just too old.  It is the end of a great era.  I have my doubts but I am hopeful that Holland can add a couple of the right D & a few forwards within the next three years.  


At the end of the day Babs will have to move on if he wants a crack at a team that isn't going to limp into the 1st round and actually has a shot. 

#2608640 Question for the Board regarding Babcock

Posted by Datsyukian-Deke on 19 May 2015 - 06:13 PM

Did we really need 2 threads on Babcock?  Isn't one enough?  

One for Babcock speculation and one for Babcock landing spot analysis. We need one for Babcock conjecture.

#2608580 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 19 May 2015 - 01:15 PM

If true, fine by me ... in the end, he wasn't as sought after as he or most people thought.  Toronto, Buffalo, Det were the only true options.  Nothing from Pittsburgh, SJ, Edmonton, St. Louis ... 


Guess he's not even close to the 'best coach in the NHL period'.


We've been pretty spoiled when it comes to coaches over the past couple decades.  Look around the league, the coaching spot has been a revolving door, meanwhile we have a guy that led a mediocre Ducks team and led them to the Finals, took a Wings team that was in some serious transition after the Yzerman era and made it to the final four 3 times in a row with a Stanley Cup championship.  He also won a couple Gold medals at the Olympics.  Yes, he hasn't done much since recently, but he hasn't had much to work with since either.  Lidstrom, Rafalski and Stuart all left within a couple years and really were never replaced.  Franzen fell apart.  We've been breaking in new goalies ever since Osgood retired.  He's not blameless for the playoff failures of the past few years, but I don't think this lack of success is any indication of how good he is as a coach.  He's done a heck of a lot more than any other active coach in the league.

#2608550 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by HockeytownRules19 on 19 May 2015 - 12:17 PM

Haven't seen this posted yet... about an hour ago, Kypreos chimed in


Nick Kypreos @RealKyper  ·  1h 1 hour ago

As of 24hrs ago growing spec' Babcock and #Redwings would have a S.J type "mutual decision" to part ways. Will be interesting next 24hrs

#2608533 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kickazz on 19 May 2015 - 11:31 AM

Man the Babcock frenzy is really getting to some people. Thank god the decision comes tomorrow before someone gets an aneurysm.

#2602624 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by wings7 on 28 April 2015 - 09:48 AM


What are you trying to start?


What should Holland be blamed for exactly?


The embarrassment of prospects the Wings have stock-piled despite a top 10 pick in 24 years?

A discussion…Ha.


Most of the prospects exist on many teams. i.e. Tampa Bay's T. Johnson.


How about overpaying for Quincey?

Resigned Cleary twice.

Overpaid and signed Franzen and Howard.

Zidlicky is struggling badly.

Nyquist looks small and lost out there.

Never planned for Lidstrom's and Rafalski's departures. 

Didn't figure out a way to keep Hossa.

Stephen Weiss is on the team but doesn't dress.


Does any of that ring a bell? Bother you?

#2588709 Erik cole - what the hell's going on with him ?

Posted by DickieDunn on 03 April 2015 - 11:37 AM

I'm confused, is 6 points in 11 games bad?  Did you guys think we were getting Max Pacioretty?  We got a 40 point winger, who came to Detroit and played...ready for this...EXACTLY like a 40 point winger. 


Or were you guys suggesting that Holland should have known Cole would get hurt in advance, and thus not made the trade?


This is Red Wing land, where everyone is Captain Hindsight, with his faithful companions Woulda, Shoulda, and Coulda and Holland is a moron for not knowing a player would get hurt.



#2583712 Losing Streak affecting Babcock's Decision?

Posted by kipwinger on 21 March 2015 - 03:41 PM

Do Blashill's teams score at 5on 5? If so, adios Babs.

#2583681 Losing Streak affecting Babcock's Decision?

Posted by darkmanx on 21 March 2015 - 11:32 AM

I think Babcock can see through a streak.  More importantly he can see exactly where the team is, even when they were performing well.  I think he has already decided to go & I think he will end up coaching the Sharks.  They are closer, SJ is a beautiful place to live.  I don't think he will want to wait the three years to be competitive in a meaningful way & why should he have faith that the right decisions will be made within 3 years.  We have a few really interesting kids but we are going to loose a couple "special" players soon.  Kronner is exhausted and while Danny will be a solid guy they have nothing else long term on the back end, nothing. 


The Sharks are closer to what exactly? They are not even in a playoff spot and have just as many locker room issues as the Leafs.

#2578865 3/4 GDT : Rangers 1 at Red Wings 2 (OT)

Posted by GoalieManPat on 04 March 2015 - 10:45 PM

When Franzen comes back, this team will be scary.  


The team right now is quick and hard working. The complete opposite of Franzens game at this stage in his career.

#2577744 Red Wings acquire Marek Zidlicky from NJ for Cond. 2016 3rd Round Pick

Posted by hockeybrianboy on 02 March 2015 - 04:47 PM

I like the two moves they got considerably better for this years playoff run and all they really traded was things that they already have too many of; non-NHL ready prospects (not top 5 picks that will get you guys like Jack Eickel ready to hit the NHL right away) that are still a couple of years away from making the NHL roster/draft picks that probably won't net NHL ready players so that would be the same thing.

Detroit didn't give away any prospects that are already showing NHL potential (Nyquist, Tatar) OR their elite prospects Larkin, Mantha etc. The ones they did probably weren't going to see the NHL ice for years and at best would've been 4th liners probably. Detroit was headed towards having so many prospects they eventually couldn't have roster spots/salary cap for all of them so it makes sense to trade them for short term gains rather than risk losing them down the road (still would've been nice if Detroit had managed to pool a bunch of their bottom prospects, like the two they gave for Cole and a couple high picks for a top 4 D man but realistically the team would've still run into salary issues I think either next year or year after a bunch of guys need to be resigned).


True they didn't get any long term fixes but those are just too expensive in the current free agent market. I still wouldn't mind seeing if they could package a guy like Jurco or Andersson if they could get a team to buy high on one of their young players that isn't developing as fast as Nyquist and Tatar. Or trade one of their goalies (Gus if they don't plan on bringing him back next year or Howard)

#2577726 Red Wings acquire Marek Zidlicky from NJ for Cond. 2016 3rd Round Pick

Posted by Alan O'Bricke on 02 March 2015 - 04:17 PM

I guess I'm saying trust me on Zidlicky, you'll like him. You'll note little smart things he does. He settles plays in his own end well.  I've been watching his game over the last couple months and he does the right things at the right time.

This is correct and a great point. A lot of these people who want superstar player X because he scores this many goals and this many assists, that's not all that goes into a GM's decision. They don't make trades just by looking at stats on nhl.com

If Detroit got Mike Green in the offseaon, great! Babcock would have a full season to teach him the required defensive responsibilities of the game, the system and the team. One thing to think about, besides his offense, Green's hockey IQ might bot be that high. He might not learn the defensive side of detroit's system before the playoffs. Shooting and scoring come naturally to Green, where defense doesn't. Zidlicky might put up some numbers, but he will for sure be in the right place at the right time defensively, and when you only have 20 games to settle in, the defensive responsibility is a lot more important to have. I hope that made some sense.

#2577617 Red Wings acquire Marek Zidlicky from NJ for Cond. 2016 3rd Round Pick

Posted by LeftWinger on 02 March 2015 - 02:01 PM

Ya, all of Pulk, March and Jurco will all be "sent to GR" on paper, in order to qualify them for the AHL playoffs.  They will be "recalled" after 3PM when the roster limits are no longer set at 23, as long as they fit under the cap.


I cannot say how happy I am right now, these are two types of trades that add the right combo of what a team may need to get them over the top.  All these teams "loading up" have a s*** ton more to lose if they don't win a Cup, and guess what? Last I heard only ONE team can still win the Cup, so there are 4-5 teams that loaded up this week, that are going to kicking themselves in the ass...Chicago better win this year, becuase if they don't, they are facing the same situation as 2010, they will need to dump salary to get under the cap. 


What Holland did the last 24 hours just proves that he is still one of the best. I may be biased, but if you are couting what was sent in retrurn today, Detroit cam out near the top of the "winner" chart.  I am very critical of Holland (to say the least) but today it just proves how much I should be less critical of him.  Look at the last few years of drafting and todays deadline.  Sure he paid too much for Legwand last year, but he HAD to, there was almost no way of making the playoffs with Andy as your #1 center. He tried for the Olsen twins, he tried for the big names last July, he stood his ground last year and this year when everyone wanted Mantha (and now Larkin.)  This may not be a Cup winning day for us, but it was definitely a playoff push move.  These guys bring experience that could push us further into the playoffs we have been since 2009.


Cheers to Ken Holland! Welcome to Hockeytown Erik and Marek!

#2577575 Red Wings acquire Marek Zidlicky from NJ for Cond. 2016 3rd Round Pick

Posted by Carman on 02 March 2015 - 01:38 PM

Yep, we've got our two 35+ year olds. We're good.

Like that matters. We are a young team right now. 


07-08 We had 2 40+ year olds and 7 other 35+ year olds and won the cup.

Right now our team has 5 35+ year olds. With the Cole, Zidlicky addition.


What are you going to be negative about next so I can refute that too?