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#2574966 2/26 GDT : Red Wings 3 at San Jose Sharks 2

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 26 February 2015 - 12:44 PM

Flashback - 

 

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#2573725 Larionov on NHL/AHL stifling creative play.

Posted by Ekmanc on 23 February 2015 - 11:48 AM

Interesting article by the professor!

http://www.theplayer...-hockey-russia/




#2573675 Zetterberg leaves after 2nd Period; "upper body injury"

Posted by kipwinger on 23 February 2015 - 01:57 AM

 I believe the NFL has a much larger issue at hand with brain trauma/debilitating injuries/prescription med abuse/domestic abuse than the NHL.

 

The HBO special on the Chicago Bears 1985 Super Bowl team is the tip of the iceberg.

 

I don't feel qualified to say whether one sport is worse than the other with regards to causing brain injuries.  They both demonstrably have a serious issue with it.   I do, however, feel that ANY sports league should absolutely prioritize the health and safety of their players.  One easy way to do that, in hockey, is to take unnecessary (and avoidable) hits to the head out of the game.  And one very easy way to do that is to remove fighting by removing the "so called" need for it...increase penalties for serious infractions to the point where players err on the side of caution. 

 

Caution.  The operable word.  Heaven forbid human beings in the 21st Century learn how to enjoy sports where players must be cautious of one another. 




#2573629 Zetterberg leaves after 2nd Period; "upper body injury"

Posted by kipwinger on 22 February 2015 - 08:21 PM

I'm not sure why we're having this debate again.  History has shown that being evermore violent in response to things we don't like ALWAYS works out well.  Absolutely tons and tons of examples when punching people has effectively helped folks achieve their objectives.  That has got to be the most idiotic thing a person can think. 

 

By comparison it makes GMRwings' "I like fighting because it's entertaining" argument both honest, and sensible. 

 

Can all the fighting people just use that argument?  That way we don't have to keep restating how intellectually bankrupt this "fighting deters rats" argument is.

 

I'll even help.  "For as long as I can remember, I (state your name here), have enjoyed fighting in hockey.  I find it entertaining and exciting.  As such, I am willing to tolerate the short and long term health risks that come along with it and believe players who engage in the sport should too."

 

At least then your position won't be so demonstrably invalided and your justifications so blatantly post hoc.




#2573640 Zetterberg leaves after 2nd Period; "upper body injury"

Posted by Echolalia on 22 February 2015 - 09:45 PM

Fighting after a cheap-shot has exactly one purpose: to fulfill a primal sense of revenge for one's team.  It doesn't cure the injured player. It doesn't prevent a cheap shot from happening.  It doesn't discourage players from doing it again after they've already committed the cheap-shot.  In fact, it has been demonstrated repeatedly that teams with more fighting majors actually tend to have more injuries and stick infarction penalties against, which would suggest that fights actually increase the amount of cheap shots you receive, which is the complete opposite of  "keeping the opposition honest".  This has been repeatedly demonstrated on separate occasions by separate people (a few sources for the curious: http://regressing.de...-don-1442618145, http://www.pensionpl...ness-in-hockey, http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/09/30/the-edmonton-oilers-and-the-new-era-of-the-one-dimensional-fighter/).  Its also not that hard to see if you just watch a hockey game.  Ericsson fought Benn.  Benn still cheap-shotted Zetterberg.  Downey was in the lineup when Lapierre injured Lidstrom.  Lapierre didn't shy away.  In fact, he came back at Downey for more in the third period, looking to crosscheck the guy in the head.  Colton Orr was on the ice when Kadri was getting cheap-shotted, and eventually Kadri got into his first fight against Tampa Bay, despite Orr being out there with him.  To keep the flies off.  And so on, and so on.

So if you're pro-fighting, fine.  I understand that it gets the heart racing, and there's a certain primitive sense of satisfaction you get when watching someone get their face beat down after wronging one of our guys.  OK.  I get that feeling, too, so I understand where the desire to see fights comes from (and keep in mind that I'm not at all pro-fighting.  I would rather see fighting removed from the game entirely).   But what I won't do is try to justify those emotions by wrongly suggesting that fighting prevents injuries from happening or keeps the rats in line.  It just doesn't work that way.  And its especially silly to dedicate a roster spot to an enforcer based on this false notion.




#2573447 2/21 GDT : Red Wings 7 at Dallas Stars 6 (OT)

Posted by rick zombo on 21 February 2015 - 11:22 PM

Am I the only one who finds this constant "Tank It" joke not really all that funny

 

You realize that we’re talking about a group that thinks “we like our team”  has been top shelf wit for the last 5 years. 




#2573469 Zetterberg leaves after 2nd Period; "upper body injury"

Posted by kliq on 22 February 2015 - 12:00 AM

 

Franzen being out is OK with me. Rather his spot be filled by one of the kids who actually wants to play. Hope Z will be alright and back in the lineup soon.

 

Someone being out with a concussion shouldn't be "OK" with anyone. Just because a player isn't what he once was, doesn't mean his health doesn't matter.

 

I hate this kind of crap. Outside of combat sports, only in hockey can punching a person in the head just be considered a minor thing.

It's not as bad, but it reminds me of when Gary Roberts randomly punched Franzen in the head in either 08 or 09. That kind of thing can haunt a player, just look at Franzen now.




#2565711 Franzen on IR

Posted by Chunkylover on 23 January 2015 - 02:39 PM

 

Equating his acknowledgement of performance anxiety with "emotional issues" not only grossly simplifies whatever it is that holds Franzen back from dominating the NHL, but it also demonstrates a REMARKABLY narrow understanding of mental health issues.  Just stop. 

It does nothing of the sort. Anxiety is an emotion. I didn't say he had "mental health issues" because I thought it would be somewhat equivocal.

 

There is nothing gross, simplistic, remarkable, or narrow about my comment. I think I understand in some way what he described in the early interview, and it could be something that still affects him.

 

Some people think their observation is infallible and they make statements that are disrespectful. I'm calling for compassion as it is possible there is more to the issue than they see.




#2565669 Franzen on IR

Posted by Chunkylover on 23 January 2015 - 10:19 AM

 

I don't. The guy makes me sick... to have all that ability and no desire is such a waste of everything (Ice time, roster spot, and yes...Money too). That money, whether its considered to be alot or not, would be better suited towards a player that gives a s*** and plays.

I think he has emotional issues. Wasn't it mentioned a few years ago that he was struggling with depression? I've had a job that required a lot of travel and I struggled with those issues too. Give the guy some slack.

 

Fedorov had personal issues too. I remember Bowman snatching a heckler's sign that criticized Fedorov's contract dispute during one of the '90's playoff runs. He didn't want him to lose his confidence.

 

Think of your own performance at work. Do you always perform at the highest level? Especially when you are down about something? No one has any evidence to suspect him of malfeasance. 




#2570319 Nabokov traded back to San Jose

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 12 February 2015 - 03:50 PM

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#2569445 Leafs Make History

Posted by number9 on 08 February 2015 - 08:17 PM

"Hey we forgot to hire someone who knows how to evaluate hockey players!"

 

"No problem, *leans in close and whispers* just trade for former 1st round picks from other teams MWAHAHAHAHAHA"

 

"GENIUS! GENIUS! GENIUS!

 

"Then add a dash of truculence... and VOILA! No cups."




#2568818 2/5 GDT - Red Wings 3 at Avalanche 0

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 06 February 2015 - 12:37 AM

Pav and Varly after the game.

 

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#2567555 1/31 GDT : Islanders 1 vs. Red Wings 4

Posted by rick zombo on 31 January 2015 - 04:28 PM

Babcock should call a time out  :lol:




#2565511 Ray Whitney announces retirement

Posted by kliq on 22 January 2015 - 12:50 AM

 

Right, but there was no 04-05 season due to the lockout and then the salary cap came into effect starting the next season (05-06).  As I mentioned, I am only speculating.... based on the fact that the season he played in Detroit was the final season without a cap and he was not back the following season (the first with a cap).... I'm guessing they couldn't afford him.  You are right, though, that his season in Detroit was far from the peak of his career, and that may have played a part as well.

 

Despite some of the posts here, you are correct. Coming out of the lockout, teams were given a $39 million cap going into the 2005/06 season. As a result, the Wings had to buyout some players. They bought out Whitney, Hatcher, and McCarty.

 

Here is an article talking about it

 

http://news.google.c...pg=4757,2219130

 




#2565503 The Maple Leafs finally put a quality product on the ice...

Posted by TheXym on 22 January 2015 - 12:24 AM

Montreal did it better, proving once again that Toronto is and will always be Canada's #2

  

Depends on what your comparing them to.


Don't some people refer to crap as #2?