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#2683167 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 14 July 2016 - 11:51 AM

Glendening led all of our forwards in blocked shots by a huge margin, took the most faceoffs on our team and won 54.6% of them.  You don't improve defensively by losing a guy like that.  This is a good signing by Holland.

#2681412 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 01 July 2016 - 12:55 PM


"Meaningless streak."

The owner and GM disagree with you.


Losing is kind of like getting into quicksand.  You'll need something strong to pull you out and you should never willing get into it.  People that think we should "tank it" for the sake of getting high quality prospects from the lottery should take a look at Columbus and Edmonton.  Sure we'll get the best of the best from some particular draft, but the best of the best could be the next Alexandre Daigle, Alexei Yashin or Patric Stefan.  Not to mention, if you're losing, its harder to draw in quality free agents.  The Wings did a pretty nice job of building the 2008 championship team through the draft without being terrible for a number of years.

#2681325 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 01 July 2016 - 12:22 PM

Rumor has it we're in on Shattenkirk and Versteeg.  Shattenkirk better not involve Larkin.  

#2680925 Darren Helm re-signed: 5 years, $3.85m AAV

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 01 July 2016 - 09:39 AM

I'm actually happy Helm is back.  I'm not thrilled about the money, but it was necessary to keep him.  I can see that most of you didn't want him back, especially at that price, but the truth is, if we lose Helm we're going to be a slower team.  I think our options were to either sign Helm at 3.85 or sign a different player, who is slower or has similar production for $4 mil or more.  Different doesn't mean better.  Sometimes better means trying something different.  Carl Hagelin, who I feel is a similar player to Helm, had numbers similar to Helm before he was put on a good line with Bonino and Kessel.  Helm could very well be the same way.  Put him on a line with AA or Larkin and Tatar or trade for Nash or sign Vanek and that line could produce big numbers.

#2680540 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 30 June 2016 - 09:44 AM

Offer sheets are a terrible idea in general, and Holland hasn't nor will he make an offer sheet on a player, plain and simple. There's zero chance he would offer sheet Kucherov, and piss off Yzerman...


With Stamkos gone, I'm really hoping we go after Backes on a short term (2-3 year) deal. We desperately need a number one center to fill in for a couple years while Larkin gets adjusted to the position at the NHL level. I think Backes is the best option available in free agency, and I'd prefer to hold onto our assets to make a trade on the back end, rather than up front.


I think Backes would be the best type of player to fit our team and I value him above any other FA center out there.  He's not great, he's not flashy, but I think he'd do well in our system.  Take some of the edge off losing Datsyuk.  He turned down $5.5 mil from the Blues, so he's going to be at least a $6-7 mil player to make it worth his while to leave St Louis.  He's 32 and if we give him a big salary like that it has to be for just 2-3 years.

#2680501 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 30 June 2016 - 07:51 AM

The scariest part of losing out on Stamkos is what will Holland do with that cap space now.  We have $18 mil in cap space, $22 mil once Franzen goes on LTIR again.  That puts us below the cap floor.  That's a lot of cap space, not a lot to spend it on.  Mrazek and DeKeyser need signed.  Best available center or not, I don't want Eric Staal.  He wasn't very good in Carolina lately and was terrible in NY.  Somebody will be stupid and overpay like Buffalo.  Backes, Lucic, Okposo, Martin, etc.  None of them excite me in the least.  I would really hate to overpay for one of them to give us a tiny upgrade in some area.  


Maybe we trade for Rick Nash.  His cap hit is similar to Datsyuk's and his contract will expire at the same time Larkin's entry level one.  He could be a good source of goals which we're desperate for at the moment.  However, I have no idea what NYR is looking for in return.  Is this a salary dump for them?  Do they believe he's not worth the cost anymore?  Is he a locker room problem?  Are they trying to add depth?  


Or do we use this money to bolster our defense?  We have a lot of good young talent at forward, maybe we just run with that and build up our defense with dependable vets like Kris Russell or Luke Schenn or Brian Campbell.

#2679814 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 28 June 2016 - 09:46 AM

All this love for Shattenkirk and he's been good in recent years, but not great.  He's not elite.  I read somewhere that he's looking for $7 mil a year and the way d-men are going that's probably fair.  I'm not so sure we want to blow another $7 mil on a guy that's another Mike Green type player.  I mean, Shattenkirk was a -14 on the Blues, which was worst on the team last season.    

#2679651 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 27 June 2016 - 12:22 PM

Buffalo has a lot of talent on that team, they are up and coming. He may want to go play for them.


The same exact thing was being said 4 years ago except people were saying Minnesota instead of Buffalo.  We all know how well that worked out for those two.

#2679619 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 27 June 2016 - 07:34 AM

So if Buffalo does in fact offer Stamkos $12x7 as they are rumored to, should Detroit match the offer? Or stick to $10x7 as Detroit is rumored to probably offer.


$10 mil per year would be my max offer.  If Buffalo wants to offer that much, fine, but I think that's ludicrous.  We need to keep in mind that there is a salary cap and putting $12 mil into one player is insane.  You could get a couple of good defensemen for that price.  $10 mil isn't so bad especially considering $7.5 of it was going to be counted towards Datsyuk.  You could think of it as giving younger Datsyuk a slight raise.  BTW, I know Datsyuk and Stamkos are completely different types of players, I'm basically just saying, we're trading one star for another.

#2679497 Detroit trades Datsyuk to Arizona

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 25 June 2016 - 04:01 PM

I keep reading that Buffalo and Toronto are both serious contenders for Stamkos, as are the Islanders.  Maybe I'm a little biased, but... what??  I'm sorry, but how can these franchises be compared to the Wings.  Toronto, despite all the money and fame that goes with playing for the Leafs in Canada, hasn't been a serious contender for decades.  I don't know its the pressure from the Toronto media, a bad string of coaches and GMs or simply bad luck, but why would commit to a team, long term, that hasn't done anything in most of our lifetimes.  Buffalo is another I don't understand.  The best team they've ever had was above average at best.  That's not to say that they won't ever become great, they have a few good young guys that will most likely develop into stars, but if management is offering Stamkos $12 mil per year, what are the odds they'll be able to keep that core together?  Meanwhile, here's the Wings potentially throwing big money his way, they have been the epitome of excellence these past 25 years.  While winning championships, management and scouts have been able to rebuild, using low draft picks, another championship team.  The Wings have a deep history of winning and greatness.  Some of the greatest players to ever play the game have worn the Winged Wheel.  The team, while not impressive at the end of the year, made great strides throughout the majority of the year with younger players like Larkin, Athanasiou, Mantha, DeKeyser and Mrazek.  Holland basically needs to ask Stamkos this question, does he want to be the next Steve Yzerman or does he want to be the next Marcel Dionne.  Again, I'm biased because I'm a (huge) Wings fan, but if its my life and I'm trying to make a decision on where I spend to spend the next 7-8 years of my life, I'm going with the organization that has proven it knows how to win and has made its great players into legendary ones.

#2677583 2016 SCF: San Jose Sharks vs. Pittsburgh Penguins

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 13 June 2016 - 07:29 AM



Let it sink in folks. Those of you that cheered for Pittsburgh. Sidney Crosby beat Lidstrom, and went back to the finals before Datsyuk/Z and insult to injury also won the Conn Smythe. 




Crosby has a much different personality now than he did then.  No more whining or sucker punches (although him and Thornton went at it pretty good).  No more acting like a petulant child.  He's not perfect, but he's light years ahead of where he was when he played us, in terms of maturity, which is one of the reasons I was okay with them winning it this year.  


16 Pens = 08 Wings 


While the Sharks were getting good pressure on the Pens last night, I noticed that a lot of their offensive pressure was a result of good passing.  That's one way to get around relentless forechecking.  Pass that puck around and wear them out, they can't move as fast as a pass.  Then I thought, about the '08 Wings and how ridiculously well they could control and pass the puck around.  If the '08 Wings played the '16 Pens, it would still be a good series, but the Wings would take it.  The Pens wouldn't be able to do what they did throughout these playoffs against that Red Wings team or really any Red Wings team for that matter.



Hopefully Blash was watching these games. Speed kills, no more slow garbage clogging the lineup next year.


Hopefully everybody remembers this next year when they start complaining about how we have too many "soft players" and we need to get bigger.  Bigger equals slower.


Not sure if you're joking, but I think they're referencing the film Sudden Death.

Film?  Y-You mean... that wasn't... real??   :lol:  

#2677338 2016 SCF: San Jose Sharks vs. Pittsburgh Penguins

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 10 June 2016 - 09:40 AM


Even though Detroit won the Cup, that game is still one of my biggest regrets as a sports fan.  Would have been nice if we could just let those 32 seconds pass without giving up a goal.  I screamed at the TV throughout those three overtimes.      


Yeah, I felt that series ending would have been better if they had just held on and won it at the Joe.  That Rafalski goal is one of my favorite goals ever, it would have been nice if it was the GWG.  Having said that though, it was special to me personally because a guy named Nick (which is also my name) picked up the Stanley Cup in Pittsburgh (my hometown) in the same season in which my son was born a half mile away from the arena.  Nick Lidstrom receiving the Stanley Cup a half mile away from where I received my son (who is a HUGE Wings fan now) into this world in the same season was a sweet irony.  So while clinching in Detroit would have been great, there was some good that came from winning it in Pittsburgh too.  :)

#2677135 2016 SCF: San Jose Sharks vs. Pittsburgh Penguins

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 08 June 2016 - 07:54 AM

Lots of people didn't expect Pens to make it this far. But man looking at their roster... they have the two best players in the world and a top 5 goal scorer in the world and they have a Norris nominated defenseman.

Pens are built like a team that could repeat.


Yes, they are, unfortunately.  Murray was a beast in the AHL and he had a couple good games in the NHL before Fleury got injured.  I was really hoping Murray would stay buried in the depth chart.  Lots of young speedsters, superstars and a good strategy will keep them up there for awhile, I think.  However, this is a copycat league and teams will see the Pens success and try to copy it by putting together a speedy team that applies tons of offensive pressure.  If the Pens face someone like them or simply just anyone that can disrupt their constant flow of offensive pressure, they'll have a harder time winning games.  

#2677102 2016 SCF: San Jose Sharks vs. Pittsburgh Penguins

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 07 June 2016 - 08:50 AM

Pittsburgh has never won the Cup on home ice.  


Although they had a chance in the 1995 Finals before the game was interrupted by terrorist attacks in OT of game 7.


It's a shame, Tolliver was really on top of his game in that one too.

#2677094 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 07 June 2016 - 07:52 AM

I probably said this earlier in this thread, but Stamkos is the fun move I'd like to see.  We'd have an elite all-star franchise center on our roster again for many many years.  He'd score tons of highlight reel goals and generate excitement.  Plus, I'd like to see us win something.  Anything.  Landing the big UFA would be fun.


However, the "adult side" of me feels like using that money to build up the team as a whole would be better.  Dumping $10 mil into one player, that's coming off of blood clot issues, will leave holes in other areas of the roster and based on how well we finished this year, we already have a ton of holes.  Maybe Stamkos's goal production helps cover those holes (giving up 3-4 goals isn't a big deal, when you score 5) or maybe it just makes those holes bigger as they don't get addressed.


Either way, the Wings management need to convince Stamkos that Detroit is serious about rebuilding a contender fast and that probably means signing someone else like a Radulov.  For all the crap we give Holland on this forum, I don't envy this task of trying to lure Stamkos away from a warm weather championship caliber team (Bolts) or an up and coming team with loads of young talent, the first pick in the NHL draft and a great coach (Leafs).