- Kronwall picks up his game and solidifies himself as the new number one d-man.
- Howard plays more games, than Gustavsson, but the Monster has better numbers.
- Datsyuk finishes in the top 5 in scoring.
- Nyquist finishes the season on one of the scoring lines.
- Franzen will be a $3.9 mil cap hit, score around 30 goals, and people will complain.
- Crosby wins the Art Ross.
- Ovechkin wins the Hart and Rocket Richard
- Tuuka Rask wins the Vezina
- Shea Weber wins the Norris.
- Parise scores less than 30 goals.
- Suter finishes the season as a minus player
- Rick Nash does only slightly better than he did in Columbus.
- Anaheim makes the playoffs and Selanne's final run for a championship is an exciting one.
- Rangers, Flyers, Wild, Hurricanes, and Kings underachieve.
- Stars, Canadiens, Oilers and Ducks overachieve.
- The Kings start off slow, but finish strong to barely make the playoffs.
- Penguins and Canucks are top seeds in their respective conference.
I don't understand why people are ranking the Wings so low, just because of Lidstrom. I mean, I know he's great and all, but he's not the whole team. There are plenty of teams that won the Stanley Cup without Nick Lidstrom in their line up, we can too. We have more depth and speed up front. While other teams are cramming in as much training camp as they can before the season, Datsyuk is already in midseason form and Zetterberg and Brunner have been playing together, developing chemistry for the past few months over in Switzerland. IMO, Kronwall can be the next Scott Stevens. That hard hitting, stay-at-home defensive style with a big shot from the point every now and then. Colaiacovo is a very solid pick up for us. I think he's an improvement over Stuart. Plus, we have Brendan Smith, who is really motivated and excited to be playing in the NHL this year. People complain so often during the season that the Wings looked lazy or "unmotivated" out there. We have plenty of new blood in our lineup that should change that perception.
I think the pessimists and the critics who have been predicting the Wings downfall for over a decade now are going to be surprised/disappointed.
I'm not sure I understand why the contract situation with Carolina is such a big deal to people. He held out, but it didn't really hurt us. We made the playoffs, he came back, played great in the playoffs and we won another Cup. The way he left in 2003 wasn't great, but it wasn't so bad that it could erase or taint everything he had done for the Wings for the 11 years. He was a HUGE part of those championship teams in 97,98 and 2002, I don't see how you can not be leaning towards retiring his number. Do we win those three Cups without him on our team? Do have all that success we enjoyed during his career without him in our lineup? I really doubt it.
Maybe people were too young to remember or simply don't remember that time very well, but Fedorov was 90's Wings hockey. Maybe its because he was more flashy than others or because he was that good, but Fedorov was always the first name to come up when talking about the Wings back then.
The return Columbus got back isn't that horrible. Dubinsky definitely has the tools to score 50 points per year consistently. Won't be a superstar, but I've always liked him. I think he needed a change of scenery. Not sure if Columbus will help, but I guess we'll find out. What does Columbus look like now as far as their potential lineup goes?
Can we please put this to bed now? Also, those myopic posts about Holland not doing his job... Yea, you can't dance if you don't have a partner, no matter how much you try...
I was really disappointed to see this. I'm actually NOT going to "put this to bed" though. If the Wings offer is the best he's getting and will get, he'd be an idiot not to reconsider. Then again... this IS the CBJ GM we're talking about.
If you want to have depth in your forward lines, then no. I know that's how we had it in '08, but can Franzen, Cleary and Filppula be a threat on the second line still? I don't know. Flip seems like a completely different person when he plays on Z's line as opposed to not being on it. I wouldn't want to screw that up.
I know you're a desperate fan just trying to cling to anything that says the Wings are still a top team, but with the proper support groups.. You can get through it. You can get past the entitlement, the arrogance, the ignorance... It can all go away. The first step is admitting you have a problem.
So when Parise scores less than 30 goals, Suter is a minus player and the Wild miss the playoffs, are you going to be gone for good or are you going to be a reoccurring troll that we have to keep putting up with?
Semin is probably asking way too much, simple as that.
I actually think it might be the opposite of that. I think he's willing to take less like around $5.5 mil, but wants more years. Teams don't want to sign a guy with a reputation of having a bad work ethic to a long term deal. If it was a money thing, I would think one of these teams trying to reach the cap floor or a team with plenty of cap space would just sign him to high salary 1 or 2 year deal.
"There's a small list of players out there and a lot of teams in the market," Red Wings general manager Ken Holland said. "We're happy that we got the guys that we did on July 1." That day, when unrestricted free agency began, has been the highlight of the summer for the Red Wings. They signed goaltender Jonas Gustavsson, and forwards Mikael Samuelsson, Jordin Tootoo and Damien Brunner. "We like our team, we like who we have," Holland said. "We'll continue to look over the market, make our (phone) calls, and continue to try and get better."
Definitely disappointing to read something like this come out of Holland's mouth. It sounds like every other year. However, its not like he's going to publicly come out and be like "WE NEED TO MAKE SOME MOVES!!!". That kind of destroys his ability to make deals.
Columbus is looking to rape the Red Wings from the way it sounds.
If Columbus wants our entire farm system, well that's too bad for them. We're not giving up everybody for Nash.
Would you trade Flip, Franzen, and Nyquist for Nash? Hell, IMHO, Flip, Smith, and Nyquist is a HUGE price to pay for Nash.
Would I make that deal? Absolutely. Franzen and Flip's combined salaries would make Nash's cap hit almost non-existent. Not to mention, Flip is a UFA next summer. I would think Columbus would want an extension in place before a trade, but if not, we could always get him right back next year. Hate to lose Nyquist and Smith, but I'll always take proven talent over unknown commodities.
Wings aren't gonna get Nash. I can't see how any of you can think otherwise. Traded to a division rival? Just not gonna happen.
For starters, we're not really a "rival". The Wings are a first place team, the Jackets are a lottery pick team. Both franchises are at different points in development. Its not like trading Nash to the Wings now will screw them out of a division crown. Second, we'll be giving them players too. Whether it be Franzen, Filppula, Smith, Jurco, Tatar, or whomever, we're going to have to deal with those players when we play them. The players we would be giving them are players we're counting on to be stars in the future. Its not like its a salary dump here. The Wings want to be good now and we get a player that's good now. The Jackets want to be good in the future and we give them players that should be good in the future. Both teams would be getting what they want and need and that's the point of trading right?
As much as I want Suter and or Parise on this team, people need to realize than not everyone wants to sign with the Red Wings...
Folks need to step back and think clearly without any emotions...
We will know soon enough it seems
I get that. There are plenty of attractive options out there for these two players, but if they want to be on a good team that can contend for a Cup now and play together, the Wings are the best bet. We're still one of the elite teams in this league and we have tons of cap space to not only sign them, but add even more. Logically, the Wings make the most sense if they are in fact trying to play together and be on a winning team. The Pens would be a great option, but signing both doesn't seem likely without having to take less money and even if they did that, they would be right against the cap. The Wild would be a feel good come home story, but its the Wild. We've made it to the Finals as many times as the Wild have made it to the playoffs (3). Would you feel comfortable signing a life time deal with a franchise that has that kind of track record? Ask Rick Nash how he feels about it now.
While obviously we WANT Parise and Suter here and we'd love to have them here for our own personal reasons, it also makes logical sense to play in Detroit as well.
I just know yzerman or lidstrom wouldn't pull this
They might be doing this if they were both free agents and wanted to get the best deal to play together on the same team.
I really don't like everyone attacking these players character because we're in day 3 of the UFA period and they haven't signed yet. These talented players, who are interested in joining our team and possibly wearing the winged wheel for the next decade, need some time to think about what is the biggest decision of their professional career. It shouldn't be taken lightly and they need to take everything into account. If they choose us, great. If not, oh well, good luck to them wherever they go. Being pissed at a couple of players that COULD still be Red Wings because they need a little extra time to decide where they want to play is ignorant. We're Red Wings fans, let's act like the franchise and show some class and patience.
If it's true that the Wild contingent picked up Suter's agent on the way to visit him, that does not look at all good. I'd love to be wrong on this.
Please tell me there's something I don't understand about how these things work.
He was already in Minnesota, so its not like they made a special trip to get him. Honestly, I can't see him signing with the Wild over us. Enter into a long term contract with a mediocre team? I know that maybe there's this feeling that "Hey I can be a pioneer and make this franchise great", but I bet Rick Nash felt that way a few years ago too. Nothing worse than watching a talented player waste away the prime of his career on a bad team.