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#2319669 Red Wings make "helluva" offer for Nash, no response

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 18 July 2012 - 07:07 AM


Can we please put this to bed now? Also, those myopic posts about Holland not doing his job... Yea, you can't dance if you don't have a partner, no matter how much you try...

I was really disappointed to see this. I'm actually NOT going to "put this to bed" though. If the Wings offer is the best he's getting and will get, he'd be an idiot not to reconsider. Then again... this IS the CBJ GM we're talking about.

#2319668 Should Pav and Z play on the same line for the majority of this season

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 18 July 2012 - 07:04 AM

If you want to have depth in your forward lines, then no. I know that's how we had it in '08, but can Franzen, Cleary and Filppula be a threat on the second line still? I don't know. Flip seems like a completely different person when he plays on Z's line as opposed to not being on it. I wouldn't want to screw that up.

#2317629 How bad are we if our roster is now finalized?

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 10 July 2012 - 08:54 AM

I know you're a desperate fan just trying to cling to anything that says the Wings are still a top team, but with the proper support groups.. You can get through it. You can get past the entitlement, the arrogance, the ignorance... It can all go away. The first step is admitting you have a problem. :colgate: :tounge:

So when Parise scores less than 30 goals, Suter is a minus player and the Wild miss the playoffs, are you going to be gone for good or are you going to be a reoccurring troll that we have to keep putting up with?

#2317282 Semin

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 09 July 2012 - 10:54 AM

Per Mlive: http://www.mlive.com...camp_notes.html

Alexander Semin might be the most skilled unrestricted free agent still on the marketbut it doesn't sound like the Red Wings have any interest in him.
"I talked to his agent once but right now we're doing nothing," said general manager Ken Holland in regards to Semin.

Semin is probably asking way too much, simple as that.

I actually think it might be the opposite of that. I think he's willing to take less like around $5.5 mil, but wants more years. Teams don't want to sign a guy with a reputation of having a bad work ethic to a long term deal. If it was a money thing, I would think one of these teams trying to reach the cap floor or a team with plenty of cap space would just sign him to high salary 1 or 2 year deal.

#2317221 Holland waiting for the CBA?

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 09 July 2012 - 06:24 AM

"There's a small list of players out there and a lot of teams in the market," Red Wings general manager Ken Holland said. "We're happy that we got the guys that we did on July 1."
That day, when unrestricted free agency began, has been the highlight of the summer for the Red Wings.
They signed goaltender Jonas Gustavsson, and forwards Mikael Samuelsson, Jordin Tootoo and Damien Brunner.
"We like our team, we like who we have," Holland said. "We'll continue to look over the market, make our (phone) calls, and continue to try and get better."

Definitely disappointing to read something like this come out of Holland's mouth. It sounds like every other year. However, its not like he's going to publicly come out and be like "WE NEED TO MAKE SOME MOVES!!!". That kind of destroys his ability to make deals.

#2316266 St. James: Wings have inquired about Rick Nash

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 06 July 2012 - 09:23 AM

Columbus is looking to rape the Red Wings from the way it sounds.

If Columbus wants our entire farm system, well that's too bad for them. We're not giving up everybody for Nash.

Would you trade Flip, Franzen, and Nyquist for Nash? Hell, IMHO, Flip, Smith, and Nyquist is a HUGE price to pay for Nash.

Would I make that deal? Absolutely. Franzen and Flip's combined salaries would make Nash's cap hit almost non-existent. Not to mention, Flip is a UFA next summer. I would think Columbus would want an extension in place before a trade, but if not, we could always get him right back next year. Hate to lose Nyquist and Smith, but I'll always take proven talent over unknown commodities.

#2315629 St. James: Wings have inquired about Rick Nash

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 05 July 2012 - 11:08 AM

Wings aren't gonna get Nash. I can't see how any of you can think otherwise. Traded to a division rival? Just not gonna happen.

For starters, we're not really a "rival". The Wings are a first place team, the Jackets are a lottery pick team. Both franchises are at different points in development. Its not like trading Nash to the Wings now will screw them out of a division crown. Second, we'll be giving them players too. Whether it be Franzen, Filppula, Smith, Jurco, Tatar, or whomever, we're going to have to deal with those players when we play them. The players we would be giving them are players we're counting on to be stars in the future. Its not like its a salary dump here. The Wings want to be good now and we get a player that's good now. The Jackets want to be good in the future and we give them players that should be good in the future. Both teams would be getting what they want and need and that's the point of trading right?

#2314228 Suter Watch: Decision today, down to Wings/Wild

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 04 July 2012 - 08:36 AM

As much as I want Suter and or Parise on this team, people need to realize than not everyone wants to sign with the Red Wings...

Folks need to step back and think clearly without any emotions...

We will know soon enough it seems

I get that. There are plenty of attractive options out there for these two players, but if they want to be on a good team that can contend for a Cup now and play together, the Wings are the best bet. We're still one of the elite teams in this league and we have tons of cap space to not only sign them, but add even more. Logically, the Wings make the most sense if they are in fact trying to play together and be on a winning team. The Pens would be a great option, but signing both doesn't seem likely without having to take less money and even if they did that, they would be right against the cap. The Wild would be a feel good come home story, but its the Wild. We've made it to the Finals as many times as the Wild have made it to the playoffs (3). Would you feel comfortable signing a life time deal with a franchise that has that kind of track record? Ask Rick Nash how he feels about it now.

While obviously we WANT Parise and Suter here and we'd love to have them here for our own personal reasons, it also makes logical sense to play in Detroit as well.

#2313975 Suter Watch: Decision today, down to Wings/Wild

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 03 July 2012 - 07:56 PM

I just know yzerman or lidstrom wouldn't pull this

They might be doing this if they were both free agents and wanted to get the best deal to play together on the same team.

I really don't like everyone attacking these players character because we're in day 3 of the UFA period and they haven't signed yet. These talented players, who are interested in joining our team and possibly wearing the winged wheel for the next decade, need some time to think about what is the biggest decision of their professional career. It shouldn't be taken lightly and they need to take everything into account. If they choose us, great. If not, oh well, good luck to them wherever they go. Being pissed at a couple of players that COULD still be Red Wings because they need a little extra time to decide where they want to play is ignorant. We're Red Wings fans, let's act like the franchise and show some class and patience.

#2313948 Suter Watch: Decision today, down to Wings/Wild

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 03 July 2012 - 07:21 PM

If it's true that the Wild contingent picked up Suter's agent on the way to visit him, that does not look at all good. I'd love to be wrong on this.

Please tell me there's something I don't understand about how these things work. :unhappy:

He was already in Minnesota, so its not like they made a special trip to get him. Honestly, I can't see him signing with the Wild over us. Enter into a long term contract with a mediocre team? I know that maybe there's this feeling that "Hey I can be a pioneer and make this franchise great", but I bet Rick Nash felt that way a few years ago too. Nothing worse than watching a talented player waste away the prime of his career on a bad team.

#2313846 Suter Watch: Decision today, down to Wings/Wild

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 03 July 2012 - 04:45 PM

Is this kind of D worth 90 million?



Well there you go. If he signs with the Wings, he won't be getting humiliated by Datsyuk anymore. lol

#2313817 Suter Watch: Decision today, down to Wings/Wild

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 03 July 2012 - 04:22 PM

If I was llitch I'd tell Kenny if they haven't signed by 3pm Thursday we start seeking other options.

For all we know the hold up could be because Parise and Suter are trying to get good deals from the same team so they can play together.

#2313812 Suter Watch: Decision today, down to Wings/Wild

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 03 July 2012 - 04:19 PM

My thought is Suter wanted $100 mil. The Wings offered $80 mil. He called the Wings and "I want to play for Detroit but $20 mil is too much of a gap. Up it to $90 mil and I'll take it." So they did. Why haven't they announced it? If the Wings are going to sign Parise too, they're going to announce them together. Probably wishful thinking, but it does make sense.

#2312723 Parise Watch [update x2]: Red Wings OUT of Running

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 02 July 2012 - 10:49 AM

If I was Parise and wanted to win a Stanley Cup, where would I go?

Pittsburgh has Crosby and Malkin. That top line would be a killer. On top of that, I have a cup winning goalie on the back end, and a solid defensive core.

Seems like a very easy decision. Pittsburgh is much closer to a stanley cup right now than Detroit is.

While I agree that Pittsburgh is a good choice, I wouldn't put them above Detroit. Solid defensive core? Did you see the first round? Cup winning goalie? Yeah, SJ has one of those too. While the Wings haven't made it beyond the 2nd round since '09, the Pens have lost 3 of their last 4 playoffs series since '09.

I don't know why so many people seem to think the Pens are a near sure-thing.

We want to be pleasantly surprised. :tounge:

#2312603 Wings may trade Johan Franzen for Rick Nash?

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 02 July 2012 - 07:29 AM

BUT do we really like that idea of giving up a player like Filppula who is a pretty rare two-way talent in his own right, as well as other roster players and great prospects we've groomed ourselves, AND 1st round picks? Columbus has already said it would take a bombshell of a deal for them to trade to the Wings.

Absolutely. We've demonstrated year after year that 1st round picks don't really mean anything us. We get quality players in every round of the draft. Losing Filppula and probably Franzen too, would be tough, but you're getting Rick Nash here. A young goal scoring power forward that can put up 40-50 goals easily with Datsyuk or Zetterberg. You know what they say, you've got to break a few eggs to make an omelet. As I've mentioned in other posts, acquiring Nash would like when we acquired Brendan Shanahan. We gave up Keith Primeau and Paul Coffey, a couple of important parts to their success back in those days, but it wasn't enough to win them a championship. Shanny put them over the top.