Haven't said much in this thread but I will say this...
We are fickle fans. We demand Holland make more trades for impact players but then crucify him if we have to give up anything of value.
The trade was never going to be Eaves a 3rd and Ferraro/marginal prospect. Nobody wants that. There's next to no value in that trade.
We can all debate future and potential but none of that is certain so it's all conjecture for now.
Legwand would be a core piece and top 6 guy on any team in this league. He is that good whether people want to admit that or not.
No he's not a flashy/sexy player like Vanek, but he also isn't a known, pure rental and probably(hopefully) has a future here
I also have faith they wouldn't have made this deal if they weren't confident he will re-sign here.
No that does not equate to him being a shoe-in to come here in the off-season regardless of the trade or not.
It means a lot to a player when a team pursues and "wants" you and is willing to give up assets to get you. It sends a message. Anyone can throw money come UFA time.
Combine that with our culture, great group of very well-liked and respected leadership group, young future players and the fact that his he's from Michigan and you've got a great appeal and likeliness to re-sign.
Starting next season (possibly this post-season if we can get healthy) we are going to have a very talented and deep group of forwards and I personally cannot wait to see what they are capable of.
Howard gives up 3 last night, one of which was a terrible unlucky bounce and another a complete defensive breakdown, and gets crucified by the fans after the game. The next night Gus gives up 4 and looks shakier than Howard yet the offense bails him out with 7 goals and not a peep about his less than stellar game. More proof that Wings fans will never be happy with a goaltender and will always be wanting "the next one" instead of the current one.
Legwand has been the #1 C on a team thats biggest problem had always been forwards. I think his best line mate ever was that bum Radulov. Gotta think his numbers may increase now that he's got legit wingers.
Lol funny you say that. Wasn't everyone crying all summer about losing him? When he was clearly a one dimensional player that really wasn't much value to our team. Especially with players like Nyquist and Tatar coming up. If we had Brunner this year everyone would be crying about him.
Kind of how just two days ago everyone (ss in 99.3% of all Red Wings fans on the Internet) were crying about Legwand and trying to make ridiculous claims that hes only a number 3 center? Jarnkrok who has never been in his entire career a top six type forward. Never in any league has he been a point per game type guy. This guy was a really good 3rd line center type prospect and that is it. Get real people. Legwand is going to sign in Detroit if we offer him a contract which we will likely do everything possible to make happen. What a great trade for our team. What a great hockey player and the perfect player that this team needed.
If the Wings are healthy come playoffs, we will be a team nobody wants to see.
Well said. We traded potential for established. We were in dire need of a center, and the trade had to happen. I'm very glad it did. Legwand is a great fit here. If that first line can keep it up until others get healthy, there is no doubt in my mind we make the playoffs. Hell, I still expect the team to finish 3rd in the division. BELIEVE
Bertuzzi, Cleary and the rest of our scrubs are untradeable this forum needs to get that through their head. We're lucky we were able to unload Eaves for nothing. Vanek wouldn't do a lick of good if he's got Andersson setting him up as his center. Andersson would be our #1 center right now if we hadn't made that trade let me remind you
It's all about what fans want, not what the team needs, haven't you heard?
Posted by roboturner
on 11 February 2014 - 11:39 PM
Oh I think I estimated the owners about right. I think everybody else is overestimating the owners concerns about shutting down the league.
Just think about this for a second, these are the same guys who wiped out an entire season and almost another (maybe about 52 weeks worth of games). Do you honestly think these guys are worried about 2-3 weeks every 4 years?? That's child's play to these guys. And I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the owners who have a problem with the Olympics are the same ones who supported the lockouts. Talk about irony.
Posted by roboturner
on 11 February 2014 - 07:17 PM
1 - not many actors making $20M for a TV season....but, whatever they are making....2 - yes, that doesn mean they can't go making a movie if it interferes with the filming of the TV show.
That's the whole point of contention here, the NHL does not like the idea of shutting down in the middle of their season. It wouldn't be as big of a deal if the Olympics were in the off-season (some owners would still have a problem with it, but it certainly wouldn't be as big of an issue).
1A. The number doesn't matter, I was responding to the assertion that if you make greater than X amount of dollars, then the person who willingly gave it to you in exchange for you're service somehow has the power to stop you from doing what you professionally do.
2A. That wasn't my argument, I said if they weren't filming the TV show for say 2 months, you can't stop the Actor from taking a 6 week movie gig in the time off just because you don't like it.
3. That isn't the whole point of contention. A part of it, yes (maybe a big part of it), but not the whole point. And I understand the principle behind it, but I think any negative effects of "shutting down during the season" are just a figment of people's imaginations.
We're talking about moving from an average of 2.8 games per week for each team during non-interrupted seasons
to 3.03 games per week during Olympic years (Every 4 seasons) due to the two week break. Still the same 82 games being scheduled that they have every year.
We're talking about maybe 50 out of 600 NHL players for a whopping 8% of employees going to the Olympics (I just took these numbers out of a hat, if anybody has the real numbers I'll redo the calculations). Over 90% of NHL players are getting a two week vacation to rest/heal/recover/get healthy. And there are a few teams that are actually sending younger players to the minors to play some games over the break, so the organizations obviously aren't too worried about players getting injured playing for someone else.
As I've covered in other posts, the owners aren't actually losing any home games or mysteriously required to pay out an extra paycheck to every player. These are all non issues. Are there other issues that might be legitimate? Yeah, there are. But I think everything I've discussed in this thread should/could be resolved by using l little more brain power.
There is a particular hockey streaming site that I know for sure has the game. Forum rules, however, prevent me from stating where exactly. If you don't have a subscription to previously mentioned site, you can purchase a sort of "day pass" for $8 and watch the WC.
Posted by kipwinger
on 07 December 2013 - 10:45 PM
there is a great return on your investment... waste a 1st round pick to get him, re-sign him when he was an RFA knowing that if someone else signed him you could have had at least a 3rd rounder, now the best we can get in return is a conditional pick...Holland s*** the bed on that trade. I know I was ok with it initially, but soured soon after and have hated him since before he re-signed...Holland's worst trade ever...
...if I can't trade him, I waive Q tonight along with Cleary. too much money and taking up roster spots that could be given to a youngster who cares to be on this team...
No you didn't. Here's what you said in May, 2012. Months after he'd been traded for, and while he was a free agent.
"Offer him a 5 year $3M per contract. A bit less money, but more security and more money to make the team better. If he doesn't agree, then let him decide what he wants to do. Get the 1st and 3rd round draft picks if he signs for more that elsewhere...Win-Win situation."
I don't think anyone should pass any judgement whatsoever, until we know exactly what happened. (which we likely never will) Especially since the laws in this country are so convoluted and f***ed up, and they'll lock you up and hit you with a half dozen charges just for blinking wrong. (hence the highest prison population on the planet)
You know when you were a kid and your mother said "com here young man/lady" and grabbed your arm? Well, technically, since she touched your arm, that's felony assault and since she moved you from your previous position, that is kidnapping.
As an adult example, a few years ago a friend of mine had these exact same two charges filed against him. What happened was his girlfriend at the time came home all f***ed up on some sort of hard drugs and started going literally crazy and screaming and tearing his place up. He finally got her to calm down and told her she had to leave. He opened the door and said come back when you are sober and calm down and lightly put his hand on her shoulder and escorted her the two feet out the door. I was actually there when this happened with my girlfriend at the time, so I saw exactly what happened.
Anyway, we leave and the next day, we come to find out that HE was charged with kidnapping and assault because several hours later the girl decided to call the cops for whatever reason. According to the cops, making her leave HIS house was considered kidnapping, and since he lightly put his hand on her shoulder, they decided to charge him with assault too. Oh, and they flat out refused to charge her with anything despite the fact that she tore his house up and scratched his arms up while in a drug fit, while he did absolutely nothing to defend himself.
This...unfortunately, is the system we live in here...
I am definitely NOT excusing Varlamov if he actually did beat and kidnap his girl, but from the one story I have encountered first hand and others I have heard about over the years, most of these "kidnapping and assault" charges the cops conjure up are BS and not at all what the name of the charges would have you think.
Weiss has had a more successful career than Fil...
Really? Wiess has basically been the Panther's #1 guy forever while Filppula, at absolute best, has been #4 in the depth chart, and more like around #5/6/7 for most of his career. And Weiss has only marginally more PPG than Filppula (.59 vs .53). Filppula also has a Stanley Cup and has never missed the playoffs. If I was a hockey player, I would much rather have Filppula's career over Weiss.