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#2494067 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by wingslionstigers on 10 March 2014 - 02:04 PM

 

If jarnkrok is expendable as you say we would of been better off putting Him in a package deal for a defensemen we needed not for legwand

I'm done arguing with you about the rest of the stuff because we been over it all 10 times.. But this part shows you clearly have no credibility in knowing what your talking about. It won't get the point across to you but everyone else reading will see it.

We WERE going to get a defense-men until we lost all of our centers to injury. A center is MUCH more important than a D in order for this team to make the playoffs. The D we have now can get the job done just like they did last year, the centers we are left with could not. Franzen was being used as a our first line center and Andersson was centering our second line. You do realize how little games are left and our centers are going to be out most of the season if not all of it. You do realize how important centers are right? You do realize center is the most important role on the team to have quality players filling the position? You cannot win in the NHL without decent centers. We have no choice but to get a very capable center if we are going to make the playoffs. Picking up a D would have not helped us much. Our D isn't the best but it's an NHL caliber core that can get the job done. The centers we had left injury free were not NHL caliber. Do you understand hockey? Do you understand how important it is for this franchise to make the playoffs? Whether we make it or not we had to make a move to give ourselves a chance. Holland did exactly that, he made a move that gives us a chance and he made a good one. It was a move that HAD to be made. We don't trade often like the chart on the last page indicates, but we had to do this. It is a business and this business has a lot on the line.




#2493221 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by wingslionstigers on 08 March 2014 - 03:25 PM

 

Yes cause I said he was gonna be Crosby

Then what was he going to be that made him way to valuable to be traded in a Legwand deal? Why don't you look at the WC A stats of some good players or better yet Swedish players and tell me the difference. Guys that go big in the NHL perform on the WC stage. He lost value because of his performance there. Jarnkrok was a good prospect, a couple years ago. He never really developed to his potential and there is no reason to assume there is even a good chance that he will end up doing so at this point. Jarnkrok certainly will make the NHL but its likely to be as a 3rd or 4th center at this point. He had no chance to make the Wings roster in the for see able future.

When are we ever going to need a 3rd or 4th center? With all the players we have, Sheahan, Helm, Weiss, Datsyuk, Andersson, Legwand (likely to be resigned)... We should have kept him in the AHL for 5 years? Our team is almost fully re-tooled don't think there is going to be a big change of hands like there has been the past year. That doesn't happen very often




#2493216 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by wingslionstigers on 08 March 2014 - 03:17 PM

Still think we could of had legwand without giving up jarnkrok or another top prospect ....my opinion

 

 

Because Jarnkrok was so good he managed to put up 2 points in 18 games in two years with the Sweden WC A team? Yeah your right he was the next Crosby for sure.......... Wait no he wasn't.




#2493209 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by wingslionstigers on 08 March 2014 - 03:11 PM

Can someone please list these teams that have Legwand caliber players as their number 3 centers? How is Legwand a number 3 center? Where in the world do you people come up with these conclusions..... Does anyone have any idea what a number 3 center looks like on 98% of the NHL teams? Who has a number 3 center anywhere close to Legwand? I guess maybe the Sharks if they use Pavelski as their 3, which I don't seem them do very often.

Legwands just a number 3 huh? I would say he is one of the better number twos in the league and capable of holding down a first line. Which hmmm, is exactly what we needed isn't it? I don't know of to many teams that have an Alfredsson, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Franzen, Nyquist, AND a Legwand plus a Tatar a Helm and a Weiss who cannot be ruled out. I would say we have a really good team if we are healthy. Like extremely good. We have eight guys who would all land at least somewhere in the top 6 best forwards on pretty much any team. Let's all wine about how bad our team sucks some more

Want to know who is a number 3? Helm is he is a very good number 3 in this league, and Legwand is a much better hockey player.




#2493003 3/7 GDT: Devils 4 at Red Wings 7

Posted by wingslionstigers on 07 March 2014 - 10:45 PM

 

Anyone missing Brunner?

Lol funny you say that. Wasn't everyone crying all summer about losing him? When he was clearly a one dimensional player that really wasn't much value to our team. Especially with players like Nyquist and Tatar coming up. If we had Brunner this year everyone would be crying about him.

Kind of how just two days ago everyone (ss in 99.3% of all Red Wings fans on the Internet) were crying about Legwand and trying to make ridiculous claims that hes only a number 3 center? Jarnkrok who has never been in his entire career a top six type forward. Never in any league has he been a point per game type guy. This guy was a really good 3rd line center type prospect and that is it. Get real people. Legwand is going to sign in Detroit if we offer him a contract which we will likely do everything possible to make happen. What a great trade for our team. What a great hockey player and the perfect player that this team needed.

If the Wings are healthy come playoffs, we will be a team nobody wants to see.




#2487757 2/27 GDT : Red Wings 6 at Senators 1, Franzen w/Hat Trick

Posted by wingslionstigers on 28 February 2014 - 09:58 AM

Where is all the Franzen haters at today? Him and his stupid extremely low 3.9 cap hit need to be traded I thought? For Elder?




#2483445 NHL players will not participate in 2018 Olympics (Mod Post #99)

Posted by wingslionstigers on 12 February 2014 - 10:51 AM

Do the Olympics actually grow the sport? Is there actual market research to back this up? I've never met a single person who wasn't a fan who watched Olympic hockey and then watched the NHL.

When you watch curling you watch it for the novelty. People all over the world are nationalists deep down, and so we watch these obscure sports for national pride or for novelty effect.

Big sport events draw viewers. Remember the World Cup of Soccer in 2010? It was pretty big in the US, but three years later soccer isn't any more popular.

I'm just not sure the evidence supports the Olympics capacity to grow a sport. I know I never watch curling or snowboarding outside of the Olympics.

The first time I really paid any attention to soccer was during the Olympics. I from time to time watch it now. Maybe if I already wasn't packed with sports following hockey, baseball, and football I would have ended up watching it regularly. I don't think it would be unreasonable to assume someone would watch the Olympics purely because of the hype and supporting their country and end up realizing the game is exciting and start watching the NHL. I know a couple people who watched the USA/Canada gold game that did not watch any NHL at all. That game gave them respect for hockey and I wouldn't say that they are now die hard NHL fans but they certainly watch some Wings game here and there. That adds up and helps the league.

It would be impossible to create any research or statistics on it. It would cost way to much money and the NHL wouldn't waist money on it. So just because there isn't research to back it up like someone said earlier, is not a legitimate argument to dismantle Olympic hockey's potential in growing the sport.

One thing is for sure. Nobody ever stopped being an NHL fan because they went to the Olympics. The Olympics has surely drew at least some people to the game. Who knows how many, but anything helps.

If a player gets injured from your NHL team are you seriously going to stop watching? If Datsyuk gets hurt I'm still going to watch as many games, still buy Red Wing stuff, still go see them play at the Joe. It's nice to see Datsyuk but there are other very good athletes on the ice worth watching. If Datsyuk gets hurt than so be it. I'm not going to cry for them to stop going because of it. I'm sure some people will though because they wine about everything possible. That's where some of us differentiate though. Not all of us grew up to become sensitive whiny individuals that cry everytime something doesn't go perfect. I can understand women using emotions to guide their thinking, but more and more guys now days are becoming feminine. Thank god for hormones in our food increasing estrogen and decreasing testosterone levels.... Hopefully I'm aloud to say two sentences out of 30 that's not directly hockey without being warned and banned on this forum. I guess we are not aloud to use logic and analyses that reaches outside of hockey to make a hockey point. Sounds a lot like the world today. You can do this this and that, but not that this and that. Amazing.




#2483331 NHL players will not participate in 2018 Olympics (Mod Post #99)

Posted by wingslionstigers on 11 February 2014 - 11:06 AM

 

I didn't say Canada didn't win a gold medal, I said since the NHL has participated in the Olympics that Canada hasn't dominated, in response to the assumption that the US and Canada will panic if they don't win gold after the NHL doesn't participate.  Canada hasn't won gold at the World Juniors since 2009.  

 

I don't blame the owners for not wanting to participate.  Why should they?  Especially when you have players who aren't thinking about the NHL season, you know, the job that they owners are paying them for, and worrying about being healthy enough for the Olympics.  The games have not brought about the surge in attention that the NHL expected.  It hasn't boosted ratings.  The people watching are already  NHL fans.  Its exciting to us as Red Wings fans because we have so many international players.  But for those teams that don't?  Are their fans tuning in to watch?  Are the women who are watching figure skating tuning out and watching the hockey instead?  No.    But yet, the NHL owners are supposed to "loan"  out their biggest business assets for nothing, not get a lot in return, possibly getting damaged goods back, and they're supposed to support this?  Do you think the players would all be on board if they had to sacrifice a few million dollars of their own money to go? Or if getting injured would void their NHL contract? Somehow I'm thinking they wouldn't have quite as much patriotism.

So you are saying the Olympics isn't good for the NHL? The big time headlines Hockey receives across the United States and the rest of the world aren't good for hockey? The fact that most NHL fans watch and hype the Olympics up like its the Superbowl. I'm pretty sure the tv ratings for that USA and Canada gold game four years ago was incredible for hockey.

When USA makes the medal games, every city/towns newspaper in the country has it on the first page. NHL doesn't create those type of headlines because NHL is irrelevant to the USA, but the USA hockey team is competing for a gold for our country so it makes the big headlines.

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What's this other stuff that I read some people saying about that they are in contracts and just shouldn't go? Sense when does a NHL contract mean that the players are slaves. Wow just an example of ignorance in this country. Let's keep allowing the corporations to sponsor and lobby politicians in the name of mass profit. Force things down our throats that we don't need like insane and deadily pharmaceuticals for example. In which all Americans are told they are needed on comemrcials every day and even by doctors. Doctors who were trained by pharmaceutical sponsored college books. The college book industry is dominated by the pharmaceutical companies to train doctors to virtually push pills for profits. Just because they are in a contract to play for an NHL team does not make them slaves. They are allowed to hang out with their friends, shoot some hoops which could result in injury, but they can't go play hockey for their country? Get real. Prime example of the mindset that is wrong with this country and world. 

The fans pay these players salaries and if the fans want our players to go play in the Olympics than they should, bottom line. If everyone stopped being delusional we would all want that and it's our right to make happen. It was our founding fathers intentions that the people make the calls in this country and the politicians work for the people, because the people fund everything. Stop being ignorant and educate yourselves. Stop falling victim to manipulation and slavery. The Olympics is the best hockey in the world and it would be a shame to not witness it.
 




#2474519 Blessing in disguise?

Posted by wingslionstigers on 20 January 2014 - 02:16 PM

 

Keep in mind that there is a lot more to a players game than the stat sheet, and points totals. Sheahan is making a really good name for himself, and some will have to go to make room for him sooner than late

Lol yeah... What I was arguing is that I know most people are looking way to much into Sheahan's points. If Sheahan played the exact same and had two less goals right now we wouldn't be having this conversation because these guys wouldn't be overly high on him and saying hes better than Andy. I always argued in favor of Filppula year after year, but everyone around he judged him so negatively on his stats alone, now that he left now they all would love to have him back. That's one example.

Sheahan looks pretty good so far, but we shouldn't be jumping the gun. Especially making premature judgements that hes more valuable to our team than Andy who has been a great bottom six guy for us.

 

Andersson is out right now with a lower body injury. So that's not true.

 

I generally agree with everything else. The thing with Sheahan though is that he projects to be the better player. He has more upside.

Your right about that but he has still played more games than 95% of our team.

Sheahan does look like he has some upside, never was trying to imply he doesn't. I just get annoyed sometimes when I read posts around here. When we lose our team sucks so bad and our future is dim and our prospects aren't going to turn this team around. When we win we are the best ever. When someone doesn't score a point per game they are useless and need to be traded. When someone goes on a 6 game point streak suddenly they are the best player ever when two weeks ago everyone was calling for their head. I might be over exaggerating a tad but I'm just trying to make a point. I just find it amazing.




#2464198 Weiss out until "at least after Christmas"

Posted by wingslionstigers on 14 December 2013 - 12:05 PM

Funny how everyone's a fan of Filppula now. If only we could have a player with that much talent and a rock solid all around game. Tried explaining this to you guys for years now.  Now we got Weiss, hope you guys are happy.




#2458530 Ericsson re-signed 6-yrs $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by wingslionstigers on 27 November 2013 - 01:17 PM

Good deal here I don't see any troubles with it now or in the future.

I just hope the only other defense-men we lock up long term would be Dekeyser. Let Smith and Kindl have another season to see where exactly they will end up. Save some room on the blue line because chances are Sproul and maybe even Qelleut could be great players and demand some salary.




#2455866 Respect Babcock and Holland

Posted by wingslionstigers on 20 November 2013 - 07:17 PM

I got massive respect for Babcock especially for what he did last year with a young and at times ugly looking team.

 

As far as Holland goes I'm really down on his decisions, he seems to be stuck in the past. Datsyuk has needed a pure scorer on his line since Hull left. Holland got Hossa and than let him defect to a rival team and instead signed Franzen.

 

And if I have to hear him say we like our prospects to be "over-ripe" one more time I might barf. 

I think your stuck in the past when there wasn't a salary cap. Sorry buddy can't have all the best players in the world on your team anymore. Why Holland chose Franzen over Hossa is clear, salary.

Hossa stats 12-13
40gp and 31 points
Franzen stats 12-13
41gp 31 points

Hossa stats 11-12
81gp 71 points
Franzen stats 11-12
77gp 56 points

Hossa 2 season / 102 points
Frazen 2 season / 87 points

Hossa 5.275 million per season
Frazen 3.954 million per season

Franzen gets paid 74.9% of Hossa and produces at 85.3% compared to Hossa.

Frazen is a much better value than Hossa. Good choice by Holland in a salary cap world.



 


i'm done respecting them until they earn it. especially holland.

 

every year we hear about how things are going to turn around. every year on here we talk about our great prospect depth an how all of these top tier free agents will be available. and then every year nothing happens...

 

we are not getting better. and it might even be a few years before we are because so many player have had their development nerfed. it does no good to have a prospect pool of nyquist, tatar, jurco, etc if none of them play.

 

for several years we heard that the team was saving cap space for deadline moves or for the future. yet here we are with no cap space and a totally mediocre team.

 

our superstars are gone or aging. unless we actually give youth a chance, then how will we see if we have that next generation of star in our organization?

Ohh poor you we only won 3 Stanley Cups during this streak and made the playoffs more consecutive years than any team in the league. We better fire them because Wings fans want a Stanly Cup every single year for the rest of their lives. To bad you can't leave the Wings and root for another team because no other team in the league will satisfy you for more than a couple years in a row.

How many times have we been in the Eastern Conference Championship game? How many Stanley Cup appearances? Can you say mis managed teams, OMG we only rank number 1 in all the category's.


How long did Fedorov, Yzerman, Lidstrom, Konstantinov, Dats, and Z play in the minors?

 

"Over-ripe" is code for "most of our minor league players will never be first line stars in the big league."

 

All of this Grand-Rapids-is-loaded talk is smoke and mirrors BS. The fans that buy into it are over-optimistic or kool-aid guzzling homers.Do the Wings have some decent prospects? Sure. Do they have any can't-miss top line stars? Unlikely. Small Euros, players who can't crack a line-up until 24, and first year pros don't usually blossom into special franchise players.

 

The ways to build a team are:

 

(1) Tank for a few years and draft high (which I hope doesn't happen to the Wings, but it's worked for Pitt and Chicago)

(2) Land big free agents in their prime (like Suter and Parise)

(3) Load up on draft picks/prospects by trading away today's assets (i.e.--Erat for Forsberg)

(4) Get really lucky in the draft (which used to be the forte of the Wings)

 

Notice this list does not include "(5) After failing to land big free agents, sign scrubs and other players the coach won't put in the lineup. Also, never admit a mistake and refuse to do anything about it."

Oh your right man we have nothing in Grand Rapids we just won the Calder Cup led by our prospects... Yeah that means nothing. Landing the big name free agents you mentioned sure has been working great for Min hey??? Oh wait Min doesn't have the management and prospect pool we do to make those 2 star players worth jack chit.


I would love to see you guys endure having a crappy GM who would trade off our team tank and try to build a new team that's only sustainable for a few cup runs and tanks for years again and again.

Red Wings have down years, but our down years we still make the playoffs and still have a chance to compete in playoffs just like last year. We also have years where we are cup favorites. Man we got it so bad.




#2455762 Respect Babcock and Holland

Posted by wingslionstigers on 20 November 2013 - 02:16 PM

I know it's frustrating not seeing Nyquist up and the Wings struggling but you guys have no reason to call for Babcock or Hollands heads.I'm writing this post due to the ever increasing complaints amongst the Red Wing fans.

Detroit is about 2-3 seasons away at MAX from being a cup favorite, AGAIN. They did this while making the playoffs every single year and they likely will again this year too. If you guys can't see that you're choosing the be blind. Not many other teams can pull that off. Mantha is looking like the closest thing you can possibly be from this distance in his development to look like a lock in the future top 6 and will likely be a top 1-2 player. Nyquist and Tatar are likely going to be top 3-7 caliber players. They both work really hard too so they will be hard working guys for those top 2 lines. Datsyuk and Z have a handful of good years left, especially Datsyuk as he will likely be one of those guys to be dominate until almost 40. Even when they do decline they will be an awesome second line combo. Jurco also looks pretty impressive, and if any one of the guys I mentioned don't fully pan out maybe he will and will and replace the guy who doesn't. That's how deep we are. In a couple seasons or so our guys will mostly be developed, some will be more fully seasoned than others but we will have enough seasoned players with the right mix of raw talent injected onto the team.

To the defense..... Kronwall has quite a few years left, the guy is a clear cut number one defencemen and he is still getting better. Ericcson isn't going nowhere, the guy is solid and any team would love to have a solid guy on their top 4 like him. Dekeyser seems like the sky is the limit. This guy could be so good for us I don't even think most people realize what we might have in him yet. Just like Lidstrom he doesn't posses god gifted skill. He is super intelligent and is trying to perfect every detail in his game, he could be the closest thing to a Lidstrom anyone in Detroit may see for along time. Only time will tell, but at worst he will be a fantastic guy to have in your top 4. Smith has tons of talent and if anyone has ruled him out already it's a good thing you don't actually have a job in the NHL. Maybe he'll never be more than a 5 or 6 guy or maybe he will wash out of the league. But give him the rest of the season and maybe 20 or 30 games into next season. He may end up as good as he was projected to be. Kindl he is a solid bottom pairing guy anyway you cut it and will still tighten his game up in time. He may not be needed in a couple seasons in Detroit, but if we do need him to stick around he will fit that bill and be a good one for it. Sproul and Quellet are on their way they both already have proven it. Sproul is leading the Griffens defense in scoring who just came straight from the OHL. That is impressive. This kid could be a top pairing guy and the offensive D that we need. Quellet I am not so sure what he will be for us but so far I am impressed. Plug a couple of our D prospects into our current Wings D core and replace of whomever from this current batch didn't cut it and suddenly.... Suddenly wow what a potent defense we have.

Bottom Six Forwards. Helm, Andersson, Glendenning, Abdelkader, Miller look at the guys we have. Oh and I forgot to mention Pulkinen and Jarnkrok. Sorry if I can't spell foreign names correctly, not taking the time to look them up.

We are going to be really good guys. Count on it. What a fantastic job this organization is doing rebuilding and still keeping our playoff streak alive. This wouldn't be possible if we made trades. Our team is going to be a lot better for a lot longer than it would if we traded multiple prospects for a top player that would only make us "better" not great for a couple years. Holland tried to land big free agents, he couldn't get them and that's not his fault. Sammy and Cleary were signed to help us get to these years that I am talking about not replace these guys, likely signed more for leadership reasons to help develop our players. I'm sure these guys have a great positive impact on our young players by helping them address the areas in their game you only gain from experience and not talent. Just chill out guys and enjoy watching our young talent struggle and find a way to eventually emerge into what looks to be a fantastic future for this team.




#2449253 Varlamov Arrested

Posted by wingslionstigers on 31 October 2013 - 09:08 AM

I don't know why you guys are over-reacting. Now days you can get arrested and be a serious charge for the dumbest s***. If a cop gets called for any type of assault they have to arrest someone and they do. Our criminal justice system is completely garbage and there is no common sense involved anymore. The guy probably did something along the lines of took his nephew fishing without his moms permission and when got back the mom flipped out and he called her a physco *****. That can be 3rd degree assault and kidnapping in this country. Believe it because s*** like that happens all the time.




#2447880 stephen weiss

Posted by wingslionstigers on 26 October 2013 - 10:25 AM

Is this a joke? When he didn't play with Zetterberg he was a ghost out there.

Lol this just proves my assumption. Because he didn't get a point per game like Dats and Z he was useless huh? Filppula made our team harder to play against night in and night out. Like I said before, you don't fully understand the game of hockey when you watch it so you make your judgements based upon the stats you see.