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#2678926 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by NerveDamage on 24 June 2016 - 06:12 PM

I bet even Bettman's relatives boo him when he gets home

#2678922 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 24 June 2016 - 06:02 PM

What's going on with Burke's hair?

#2678670 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by amato on 22 June 2016 - 09:31 PM

Hard pass on lucic.

As far as physical forwards go, Ladd or Backes would be good if they'd sign around a 2-3 year deal.

#2678667 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by VM1138 on 22 June 2016 - 09:03 PM

Lucic is already on the decline, isn't he? I remember reading some stuff from Boston when he left that he wasn't very good.  I think this is another case of us wanting the 5-year-ago version of a player.

#2678666 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kickazz on 22 June 2016 - 09:03 PM

Would rather us try to get Ladd over Lucic.

#2678665 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 22 June 2016 - 08:16 PM

If we can win with piece of s*** then go for it.
If piece of s*** can keep Plekanec quiet (******* Plekanec was acting tough against us) then go for it.
If piece of s*** can beat Brown's ass then go for it.
If piece of s*** can play on same line as Larkin, can skate, hit (pretty well), fight (pretty well), score some goals (20-25 goals)... then I would gladly have that piece of s*** instead any of Tatar, Nyquist, Jurco, Pulks, Helm playing top six forward.

Lucic address, physicality, size and scoring issues.

Lucic: 18g in 14-15, 20g in 15-16


Tatar: 29g in 14-15, 21g in 15-16

Nyquist: 27in 14-15, 17g in 15-16


Lucic played in the top 6 in Boston and L.A. Tat and Ny's numbers dipped on the 3rd line. 


Under no circumstance do I want Lucic.


Also, he can't skate and wouldn't be able to keep up with Larkin

#2678657 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 22 June 2016 - 06:56 PM

Put Lucic in the winged wheel and he's still a piece of s***

#2678345 Datsyuk Announcement to Officially Leave NHL

Posted by WingedWheel91 on 20 June 2016 - 01:32 PM

But I really don't think the cap hit for one year is that bad. Maybe we don't sign any free agents and go with the kids. That could end up being great for the organization long-term with AA, Mantha, maybe Bertuzzi getting more opportunity than usual. We weren't going to win the cup next year anyway. Also, I think him leaving actually gives us more of an opportunity to sign Stamkos than we would have had.


Russia would have been the hometown discount? What does that mean in the context of what I was talking about? I was making the point that he could have made more by signing with other teams in the NHL. Just because he could have made less in Russia doesn't negate that. He stay with us for 14 years which is rare in the NHL and shows loyalty. As for the "KHL has evolved" stuff - If you're trying to insinuate that he's going there for more money, we debunked that in another thread. That league is struggling due to Russia's economic woes and the hard cap for that league is being lowered successively for the next few years. He won't make more there for next year. His salary would have to be over 7.5 mill.


He hired an indepentent lawyer and talked to the player's union to try to find a way to leave without leaving us with the cap hit. Doesn't sound like disregard to me.


He's divorced, his ex-wife took his daughter back to Russia. He's only able to see her the summer months. I consider that a legitimate family situation. We don't really know the specific (rightfully), but I think you can imagine the effect of losing touch with your daughter.


Again, Incorrect in bold.


His cap hit was $7,500,000. His actual salary would have been $5,500,000 in a state with an income tax rate close to 42%. His actual take home would have been just over $3,000,000. I don't pretend to know what his tax rate in Russia will be next year, but I am confident his KHL salary over the next 2 or 3 seasons will be close to what he would have made in the NHL - which was an impossibility when he left in 2001. The other interesting financial tactic the KHL employs (which I've posted about before) is bonuses per goal, per assist, and per victory... This is a top 3 player the KHL has ever recruited, and the captain of Russia's Olympic team - if you don't think his salary, bonuses, and new endorsements will exceed $3,000,000 next year - I simply disagree.


At the end of the day, I understand and appreciate your optimism - but sometimes it is what it is. Pavel Datsyuk didn't do us any favours with this decision, and we won't be much better for it because AA, Bertuzzi and Mantha could see a little more ice time (assuming the last two even make the team). Maybe it makes pursuing Stamkos more important, but if we don't trade his contract away (which would come at a different type of cost) it's financially impossible - not exactly ideal.


Here's a different way to put it: If Datsyuk's family situation was so urgent that he needed to leave, why is he still going to play professional hockey next season? The commitment is largely the same? In my opinion, the money is similar and he would rather be in Russia - which is funny, because in most industries if I terminate my contract a year before it expires, to go do the same thing for a competitor - I would be facing a lawsuit. But in hockey, we are talking about retiring his jersey.

#2678096 Official Offseason Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 18 June 2016 - 11:57 AM

Glad he's re-signed. Not a player I wanted Holland to go after.

#2677239 Wings hire John Torchetti as 2nd Assistant

Posted by Andy Pred 48 on 09 June 2016 - 11:21 AM

Radulov's old coach eh !?

#2677196 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by UpstateNYRedWingsFan on 08 June 2016 - 09:57 PM


This is priceless. What on earth makes you think that Helm would be able to play top 6 wing? Name me only one game where Datsyuk's line was dominant with Helm on it. Only one. Pretty surely you won't even find one. The reason is simple enough. Helm is a plug. He can skate but he cannot handle or protect the puck, he cannot hit, he cannot pass, he cannot shoot and he has no idea how to play without the puck.

Though he spent almost all season on Datsyuk's wing and played lots of PP, apart from his turnovers, all he produced were either individual efforts thanks to his speed or given points for which Datsyuk is 99% responsible. Helm contributed literally nothing but hurt the line a lot by turning over pucks. Datsyuk is an excellent two way forward but he would have been far more effective with different linemates. He needs guys who help him recovering pucks and doing the physical stuff along the boards and in the slot. Instead he had to deal with linemates who needed his help to survive.


He said play top 6 "in a pinch" and then said he needs to agree to play bottom 6 role strictly. You turned what he said around hard.

#2647322 Miller Out With Lower Body Injury

Posted by amato on 11 January 2016 - 10:32 AM

Poor Miller can't catch a break :/

#2647097 Jakub Kindl waived

Posted by kickazz on 10 January 2016 - 01:26 PM

Not even sending Marchenko down would help. His cap hit is only $666 k and they need to relieve 1 million to activate Quincey.

I think a trades coming up.

#2630224 10/13 GDT : Lightning 1 at Red Wings 3

Posted by DickieDunn on 13 October 2015 - 12:31 AM

Hopefully the rest of the team gets going, they can't win forever with 3 players driving the offense.

#2630219 10/13 GDT : Lightning 1 at Red Wings 3

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 12 October 2015 - 11:50 PM