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#2530575 Article on FAs and Red Wings

Posted by VM1138 on 08 July 2014 - 10:07 AM


I'll agree with the first part, the city is not the issue...or at least is hasn't been for guys like Ivan Rodriguez, Magglio Ordonez, Carlos Guillen, Reggie Bush, Golden Tate, Chauncey Billups, etc. etc. etc.


On the subject of Babs I'll say this.  What happened in FA wasn't his fault.  He's not in charge of managing the roster.  I do, however, think that players don't look at him like they did at Bowman.  Sure, Scotty was a d*ck, but he coached a powerhouse team that realistically could win the cup every year.  Babs is a d*ck whose team isn't going to win s***.  So why deal with him?  Ken Hitchcock is notoriously difficult to play for, and he gets FAs because his team is a contender.  I think players would tolerate Babs if we could compete, but we can't, so they don't.  Not his fault, but it does play a part. 


Of course, the Tigers have been a strong contender for years now, hence those guys coming to Detroit.  And Billups...well, I don't follow basketball but didn't he suck when he came back?  Likely no one else wanted him and he wanted to go somewhere familiar.


The point everyone is making about the city isn't that no one wants to come here just because of that, but if your team is not a contender, there's no reason to choose Detroit over Tampa or Washington or any place with more living perks.  If Detroit were winning, we wouldn't have trouble attracting UFAs.  But since we're not really any better than the rest of the middling teams, the city of Detroit isn't going to be a selling point.

#2530546 Article on FAs and Red Wings

Posted by kipwinger on 08 July 2014 - 08:37 AM

There are probably a lot of reasons why we didn't have any luck landing FAs this year, but I thought this was interesting.  A quote from Patrick Eaves about joining the Stars...


"He's got a real good thing going down there. I know they're a hard team to play against and yeah, they're making moves. They're going places and I want to be a part of it," Eaves said on Monday.


Seems like if you haven't been successful in the recent past, and you're doing things to address that, players pay attention.  I'm certainly not suggesting that you "do something just to do it" or that Patrick Eaves is the kind of FA you want.  But rather that guys want to win, and they recognize when a team is trending upward or downward. 

#2530473 Article on FAs and Red Wings

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 July 2014 - 05:50 PM

Detroit is also the smallest big city in the country.  You are far likely to run into trouble in Miami, Chicago, LA, Oakland, New York, Houston, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Fort Lauderdale... Detroit is smaller and the areas are far easier to avoid.  If you like architecture Detroit is an awesome place to tour around.  Players know they aren't going to live in the city of Detroit, but is the 20-30 minute trip worth it? Are the jacked up roads worth it? The player parking at the Joe is NOT worth it, I've parked there, I know.  So the sooner the arena is up and the sooner the mayor gets this city turned around, the better.


Most importantly, the sooner our kids establish that they are up and coming and show they are our future Stanley Cup core, then we will see some influx of UFA's here. Too bad it won't be in time for Datsyuk, but there will soon be the next All-Star center here....so lets see.


I am just mad that all the improvements happening in the city is pushing the people who don'y give a s*** about their hoods out into the suburbs...I come back to the area every week to work and yes I see the people coming into my neighborhoods...its a sad thing that we cannot just somehow convince these people that nothing worth having is free and that keeping your neighborhood nice is a job worth doing...Inkster, Ecorse, River Rouge...ugh, they're like war zones and its creeping into Woodhaven, Brownstown and Flat Rock....sad, sad, sad...



Ok, there is my city view for the year. I still believe its the Front Office and players not liking Babcock.  Other than that, nothing has changed anywhere else...we need a change.  Holland needs to step aside, Babcock needs to move on.  A good start would be convincing Larionov to become asst. coach.

#2528544 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by evilmrt on 01 July 2014 - 03:52 PM

Soccer is more exciting than free agent day in Detroit. At least in soccer, there is a CHANCE your team is going to score.
Happy July 1, everybody.

And that team is hanging tough so far!

#2528541 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by ShanahanMan on 01 July 2014 - 03:47 PM

It just hit me. 


No one wanting to play for us? 


Incompetent GM? 


A sports team living in the shadow of it's glory days?


Holy s***. We're the new ISLANDERS

#2528287 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Dabura on 01 July 2014 - 02:06 PM

Now isn't the time to trade. If Kenny thought prices were high a week ago at the draft...


Kinda convenient. "Well, we can't make a trade. The prices are so high right now. I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO RE-SIGN CLEARY."


Do nothing, make excuses, rationalize, sit on your hands. The Ken Holland way.

#2528247 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 01 July 2014 - 01:55 PM


You're assuming Kenny would actually pull the trigger on a trade of any kind.


Good point. 


Honestly, at this point I'd let Quincey go, I'd let Alfie go, and I'd fill every available spot with a kid.  At least keep the damage to a minimum.  Don't make it worse by making panic moves (see:  Samuelsson, Legwand, etc.).

#2528159 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Nyquistfan14 on 01 July 2014 - 01:28 PM

I would honestly take a flier on del zotto now

#2528078 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by F.Michael on 01 July 2014 - 01:11 PM

I'm watching NHL Network and just now catching the scroll and just shaking my head...Canadiens sign Manny Malhotra? Sabres sign Brian Gionta? Buffalo got Josh Georges for a draft pick? Avs get Brad Stuart for 2 picks? Matt Moulson signed 5 years with the Sabres for 25 mill? Camillari is in NJ?

Gorges for a 2nd round pick...Sabres fleeced the Habs.

#2527616 UFA day looking up

Posted by Dabura on 01 July 2014 - 10:18 AM

The Boyle hate is hilarious. Our blue line generates no offense, can't break out of its zone, can't run an effective power play - but yeah, there's absolutely no reason why we should be interested in Rafalski-esque Dan Boyle. At the very least, he'd give as an actual power play. You know what would've helped our cause against the Bruins? An actual power play. You know what would've helped our cause against the Bruins? Better puck management, a stronger possession game. Boyle would help on those fronts.


Niskanen - he's worth overpaying, because the need is that great, because our blue line is that bad. You may overpay by a couple million, but you're getting what you need, which is a right-shooting power play quarterback in his prime who weighs 200 lbs and isn't afraid to throw his weight around. And with the cap going up every year, there's a good chance that it looks like a great deal in a couple years. We can't be too picky here.


If we don't add a high-end top-four defenseman, we have absolutely no shot at competing for the Cup. None whatsoever. We have Kronwall, two pretty good defensive defensemen, and Brendan Smith (who's 50/50 in re: whether he's going to put it together before he becomes a reclamation project). That's it. We'll be incredibly fortunate if any one of the kids ever becomes as good as Niskanen is now or even as good as Boyle is now. Talk about risk - going with the kids would be the ultimate risk, if money alone could get us a big name who could really help (and that happens to be the case here).


Get Niskanen or Boyle and we'll be a much better team.

#2527476 UFA day looking up

Posted by Shaman on 30 June 2014 - 11:39 PM


He's not coming back. Ok? We'll never know if it's PR spin or not. You have ur Red Wings live in fantasy land opinion, I have a different one, but at the end of the day the loser is gone so lets just be happy about it.


On a two way contract I'd take him!


I would not take him on a two way contract


I would not take him with a missing contact


I would not take him with Megan Fox


I would not take him with two pet rocks


I would not take him Shaman I am


I would not take that defensive sham.

#2527296 UFA day looking up

Posted by ShanahanMan on 30 June 2014 - 04:50 PM

I'm still calling Cleary + Alfie + Ray Whitney with time for Holland to tee off by noon.

#2526943 Spezza Requests Trade

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 29 June 2014 - 01:39 PM



Such a smart move getting rid of Avery when we did...

#2525018 Kaylee G Future and the Red Wings

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 21 June 2014 - 11:06 AM

Puck bunnies give female hockey fans like myself a bad name.

#2525260 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by cr00d on 23 June 2014 - 12:23 PM

Ken Holland: Hello Daniel, I am calling to personally thank you for your many years of great service. You have been an integral part of the Detroit Red Wings since you signed on with us. However, despite earlier promises, I must regretfully inform you that we will not be offering you a contract for the upcoming season.

Daniel Cleary: Wow, Kenny… I mean… where did this come from?!? I've devoted the last ten years of my life to the Detroit Red Wings. I left money and term on the table last year in Philly so I could play here with the promise of another contract to come...

KH: I know Daniel, and we thank you for that, but based on you performance last year, and how well our prospects played filling in for you and other while the injury bug hit, we feel this is the direction we need to take as a franchise.

DC: C’mon man, you know I only played poorly last year because I was injured. There’s still plenty left in the ol’ gas tank. I know I can get back to my old form, and deep down inside, you know it too Kenny!

KH: That may be the case, Daniel. However we are simply not in a position where we can afford to bring you back on. I’m sorry.

DC: Wow!, what happened to you, man? You use to be cool.

KH: What?!? I’m still cool, Daniel.

DC: No, you’re not. You've changed man, and not for the better. Loyalty use to mean something to you. I guess it doesn't anymore.

KH: Loyalty is very important to me.

DC: Whatever, man. You’re all talk. Take your lies and broken promises elsewhere. Talk to you later…

KH: Wait! Don’t hang up! Let me see what I can do, Daniel. I’ll prove to you that I’m still cool. I’ll call your agent and see if we can’t work something out right away; perhaps a two-way contract?

DC: Two-way contracts aren't cool, man.

KH: You’re right, you’re right… I knew that. Definitely not cool. I can do better... just let me talk to your agent, ok? We’ll work something out, don’t worry Daniel.

DC: Cool, man. I’ll see you when camp opens. Ciao.

KH: Yeah, yeah… Ciao!