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2 games, a 5 and a game misconduct in the playoffs. This league is going down the s***ter. Weber slams Z's head into the boards last year, a fine, no suspension. Then the preds organization openly mocks the play .

I just feel really bad for Dan Cleary.

 

This could be his last chance to win another Cup, and his teammates and Howard let him down.

Jimmy's allowed to have a s***ty game.  Some of our players have had a s***ty entire (half) season.  Blaming Jimmy?  Really?  This board...sometimes I feel like I'm being trolled hard.  I'm just gonna...go over here...

 

 

 

Your franchise goalie is absolutely not allowed to have a s***ty game when the playoffs are on the line. That's why he is your franchise goalie and why you pay him what you do.

I almost hope that they are out of playoff contention for the final home game of the season season, so that they get booed off the ice by the fans in Detroit.  Because that is what they deserve for this season.

Suter and Parise were always going to play together in Minnesota.  Parise wanted to go home, and Suter wanted to go with Parise.  There's nothing Holland could've done about that.  He can't force Parise and Suter to want to play in Detroit all of a sudden.  They became joined at the hip and hitched their wagon to the Wild, for better or worse.

 

That being said, the team failed to acquire anything of substance after they knew they wouldn't be getting Suter and Parise.  It was a domino effect.  All the "plan-B" players were already gone by the time Detroit knew they lost out on both players.

 

Brunner has been a nice surprise, and Tootoo has been doing his job admirably.  The rest of Holland's band-aid box...not so much.

Draft well? Nill admitted that drafting Pavel wasn't some stroke of drafting acumen, but in fact dumb luck. As Mickey says 5 times a game 'Sometimes its better to be lucky then to be good'. For every gem you give me I can show you how other teams have done the same, maybe not with 6th or 7th round picks, but with picks after the 2nd round (which just about every scout will admit anything after the 60th pick is a crap shoot). 

 
http://www.coppernbl...s-draft-success
This isn't any new data but it shows the odds you have of drafting a successful player based on your position in the draft between Holland's first year as GM until 2005. To be considered a top player in this chart you have to play at least 200 NHL games with a PPG average at or above .5 PPG.

The second chart is Holland/Nill's success in the draft compared to the rest of the league.
Basically what it shows is that during that time period the Wings were better than the league average in every single slot, but more than twice as likely to land a top player past the 101st pick in the draft. They were also an astounding 7 times better than the league average drafting between 51 and 100.
 
Some of that might be luck, but 7 times better has to have some skill involved as well. Credit where credit is due, our management team's preference of skill over being NHL ready has paid dividends for this team over the years.

There are some bad GMs in this league, but I don't think any of them are dumb enough to touch Franzen's contract. And I think trading Z and Kronner is a little excessive with all the promising prospects that could help turn this team back into cup contenders around in 3 or 4 years. I would have loved to see them trade Flip, Q, and White and waive Cleary, get some picks maybe a prospect or two, and see what you really have in Tatar, Nyquist, and DeKeyser. Instead, now you get to watch Flip and White walk out the door for free this summer, and if you don't buy out Franzen and hopefully Samuelsson if he isn't injured, you'll probably end up having to waive Tatar or Nyquist (hopefully they'd waive the right guy this time, not like with Meech and Quincey 4 years ago). You can't keep letting talent walk away for free and still expect to be good, but sadly that's been the Red Wings M.O. since the 2009 cup loss.

 

In around 3 or 4 years our top stars will be between 35-38 years old. I just feel as though the time is now to make a move with these players. Its most definitely high risk high reward, but whats worse than watching these players age and decay while the league continues to stampede forward? What happens when their point production drops down to 3rd and 4th line average numbers in the next few years? Guys like Flip, Cleary, Emmerton, Sammy, Eaves, Miller, Quincey, White...THEY HAVE NO TRADE VALUE. NONE! Zetterberg and Kronwall in a package deal could land multiple draft picks, multiple young top forwards and defensmen.  Blow up the core, build a better one. 

 

How can you motivate players that have already won cups, gold medals, and Conn Smythe awards? I love these players as much as the next Wing fan, but their best years are all behind them. Z and Dats won't benefit from playing with any of the players we have in the minors or else they would have already been playing with them. And won't it suck watching Datsyuk leave without getting any sort of compensation? Good players benefit from playing with good players. And outside of our underachieving core, we have no impact players players. The core is losing a step every season and they are struggling now without any support. Imagine how they will look in 2-3 years if no help is brought in to take over the workload? Good players don't spend half their 20's in the minors over ripening, which leads me to believe that there isn't much high end talent coming through our pipe line in terms of offense. Sometimes you gotta trade away what you have, to get more of what you need and moving forward it seems like they need a lot more than what they have. 

Abdelkader is so bad that Datsyuk figured out its better to just bank the puck off his ass.

I will only make one comment on this thread, accident or not....YOUR SKATES BELONG ON THE ICE!

Red Wings Rebuilding and Adapting to Maintain Dominance

The Detroit Red Wings have been in a rebuilding phase since Brian Rafalski hurt his knee and retired.  But with Brad Stuart and Nick Lidstrom gone, this sends the Red Wing organization into a much deeper rebuilding process.  We are the victim of our own success.  The Wings were so dominate for so long that fans around the country figured who ever won the Detroit/Colorado series would become the Cup Champion.  The Eastern Conference could only hope the two teams would beat each other up to have a chance.  But not even the mighty Avalanche could keep up with the Red Wings.  As a result the NHL introduced a policy of parity among teams.  That’s why I laugh at all the knuckleheads on this forum who attack Kenny Holland and the Red Wing management.  These are the same people who forced the NHL to change the rules toward parity.  

The Wings not only dominated the ice with leadership and skill, but their marketing dominated even the NHL front office through its Hockeytown campaign.  They redefined the game with the left wing lock and a specialized system which was unique to the league.  The Wings dominated with an active owner willing to commit the resources for developing talent and building morale.  The Wings dominated in attendance and fan base around the league.  But the biggest domination has been in the draft and evaluating talent.  It really would have been scary if 11^th round pick Vladimir Konstantinov played a full career alongside Nick Lidstrom.

Kris Draper for a dollar from Winnipeg!
Kirk Maltby a trade with Edmonton in '95 for defenseman Dan McGillis! WHO IS DAN McGILLIS!!!!
Vladimir Konstantinov 1989: 11th round, (221st overall)
Sergei Fedorov 1989 - 4th round (74th overall)
Keith Primeau to Hartford for Brendan Shanahan!
Nick Lidstrom 1989 - 3rd round (53rd overall)
Slava Kozlov 1990 - 2nd round (45th overall)
Bob Probert 1983 - 3rd (46th overall)
Joe Kocur 1983 - 5th Round, (88th overall)
Johan Franzen 2004 - 3rd round (97th overall)
Darren Helm 2005 - 5th round (132nd overall)
Pavel Datsyuk1998 - 6th round (171st overall)
Valtteri Filppula 2002 - 3rd round (95th overall)
Tomas Holmstrom 1994 - 10th round (257th overall)
Henrik Zetterberg 1999 - 7th round (210th overall)
Jonathan Ericsson 2002 - 9th Round, (291st overall)
Chris Osgood 1991 - 3rd round (54th overall)
Jimmy Howard 2003 - 2nd Rnd, (64th overall)

This proves the Wings didn’t just throw money at players!  They built a dominating franchise in all phases in the sport!  

THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT

As Red Wing fans we need to accept this transition of rebuilding and not demand trades for overpriced forwards like Rick Nash ($7.8 annually).  Don’t trade the youth… develop the youth!  The NHL has changed the rules, now we need to adapt and dominate like we have in the past.  

The following list of Red Wing youth all have a tremendous chance to contribute to the organization.



Brendan Smith  D  

Damien Brunner  LW  

Riley Sheahan  C   http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=PET_AGhPCg0

Petr Mrazek  G http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TVpMrFNzOYTomas Jurco  RW  http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=biPsk6n2q5g

Teemu Pulkkinen  RW  http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzfGZwoiGjU

Gustav Nyquist  LW  http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGuCbnHiy3o

Tomas Tartar  LW  http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=OivN-x05v24

Calle Jarnkrok  C  http: //youtu.be/pJrqdY4HDDg

Ryan Sproul  D  http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fil5eZGVyb0

Xavier Ouellet  D  http: //youtu.be/aMgjqcQzbp0

Landon Ferraro  C  http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=20sz6_Aj4xc

Martin Frk   http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEQbMQLgZO0

thank god we didnt get him 13 years, come on .. absolutely ridiculous. lidstrom is worth 13 years not suter guys. nowhere near him in any way.

Contract lengths are really and truly out of control. In order to get a superstar signed these days, it takes a giant, lifetime contract. This means bad things for the NHL. It has reached a ludicrous extent.

my hope is Suter does not come to Detroit .. cant stand this 13 year deal, 7.5 cap hit .. Wings insane wasting time on him. he is nowhere near this money or contract length (27 or not). we will do fine without him.. something with less length, if we are gonna throw this money at a D, Weber all the way when he's free.

So over it by now!!!! If you want to sign with the Wild then do it. Get it over with so the other 29 teams in the NHL can get to work. I don't ever recall a free agent taking their sweet ass pimp time like this, not like this got sprung on ya all of the sudden

This would be like hoping Franzen was consistent throughout the year ...

Now, I disagree I think it's much more likely that Quincy becomes a Norris winner and Nyquist scores 100 than Franzen actually playing  hard every shift of the year.