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In Topic: Chelios after 3 games played....

31 December 2008 - 07:00 PM

Hes no better than he was in the Dallas series, where he got benched for being mediocre. I mean hes 46 and its a great story but if we werent up against the cap, Quincey, Kindl or Ericsson would be playing ahead of Chelios.

I can't see him making it to 50, at least not on this team.

In Topic: Franzen or Hossa?

31 December 2008 - 06:45 PM

QUOTE (Shoreline @ December 31, 2008 - 05:53PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He's probably basing it on Lids much higher vulnerability to bad mistakes this season. Can't count the times I've seen fast/powerful skill players blow right by him. He's certainly not looking this season like the Lids who won 6 Norris trophies, and likely won't be going that route this year unless he has an absolutely stunning second half until the playoffs.

Not at all really, although I do agree that Lidstrom is declining. And when your game is 100% positionally based, you can't get slower or you'll get caught.

My argument isn't about Norris trophies or whether or not hes the best defenseman in the league, its about the percieved importance of him to this team. Does he play a key role? Yes. Will this team fail, or even misstep the day he retires? Doubtful

I would argue that both Zetterberg and Datsyuk are more important to this team than Lidstrom. Lids does rack up the assists but he hardly scores like Mike Green. We can find a suitable replacement to play the point on the power play(Not Rafalski) that can take wrist shots and slappers knee high so Homer can tip them.

Bouwmeester would be a perfect replacement.

In Topic: Franzen or Hossa?

31 December 2008 - 05:43 PM

QUOTE (lets go pavel @ December 31, 2008 - 05:31PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Personally, I think Z is more likely than Hossa to come here for the lower price, but I agree that as free agents someone would offer them both significantly more than Datsyuk. The hope, of course, is that one of them wants to play here for a long time and is willing to sacrifice a million or three to make that happen ... again, I think Z is the more likely candidate to do that, but there's no sense in arguing about that since it's pure speculation. It's possible we could lose them both. So ... just out of curiosity, who are the other players you would replace Z with?

Ok, lets just say both Z and Hossa leave for greener pastures.




Howard would be signed to an offersheet, id take the picks.

Thats just assuming no one is signed to replace either player. The cap savings would be around $9 million.

If I were Wings management I would seriously think of poaching various restricted free agents from teams close to the cap. That is of course after signing Hudler.

I would also seriously consider Bouwmeester, even if Lidstrom doesn't retire. That than opens up the possibility of trading Rafalski. Kari Lehtonen will also be a free agent and both Kessel and Krecji will be RFA's who will get much bigger deals. The Bruins can't afford Begeron, Kessel and Krecji together.

Theres various ways to spend the money more productively. Or just trade Flip, keep Zetterberg and Frazen

In Topic: Franzen or Hossa?

31 December 2008 - 05:25 PM

QUOTE (steveyzerman @ December 31, 2008 - 05:22PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Which they are. & I think Hank is a better shut down center overall. I understand Pavel won the Selke which is fine. But, like I said in my first post, aside from the takeaways, I'd give the edge to Hank defensively. & I'm telling you that the captain doesn't NEED to put up points because that's not a captain's role.

& Yzerman is the best captain ever.

The captains role is to lead but if you're debunking the points argument than why is Lidstrom fit to be captain? He doesn't fight, hes not really vocal and honestly hes no Steve Yzerman.

Comparing Yzerman vs Datsyuk vs Zetterberg is flawed. Its Lidstrom vs Datsyuk vs Zetterberg and when I see that, I see three of the same kind of players. One just happens to score a little more frequently.

Your opinion about Zetterberg being better defensively is fine but the sports writers decided otherwise.

In Topic: Franzen or Hossa?

31 December 2008 - 05:22 PM

QUOTE (The Wheeled Winger @ December 31, 2008 - 05:17PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Another thing...

Wait.. you mean that Lidstrom guy being there had nothing to do with it? A shame he wasn't made an alternate captain underneath him..

Oh, wait.

We're discussing "Future captains" the concept of anyone but Lidstrom being captain is laughable.

The discussion is Datsyuk vs Zetterberg and what makes a good captain. So far, the only thing in Zetterberg's favor is...

1. His beard
2. His chick
3. And the unknown intangibles, that don't include "Leading by example", playing hurt or clutch scoring.

So I guess he rescues baby kittens from trees, its really the only answer.