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In Topic: Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

14 August 2014 - 10:58 AM

Really like it, our farm system has never looked better. The last few years haven't been ideal, but our playoff streak is still intact and Ken Holland is the reason. There isn't a franchise in the league that never has a few average seasons between great ones. His legacy is going on the line here though, if this team struggles and wastes the last few years of Dats/Zetterberg there aren't going to be fans lining up to reminding us of the 3 Stanley Cups we won with him and having the best team in the league from 1997-2010 which is unfortunate. Time will tell if Ken Holland has a master plan with this franchise, or if he's just meddling his last years in mediocrity hoping his past success will be his legacy.


My thoughts are you never know what you have until it's gone, and for me I think that rings true for Holland. Fans in Detroit have incredible expectations, which is understood, but I don't know of many hockey GM's in the history of the league that could satisfy this fan bases appetite of not only winning, but winning Stanley Cups for over 20 years. Notice I said the history of the league, I don't think there is a better option for the team right now other than Holland, he knows the players we have in the system, if our goal is to win it all soon he gives us our best option. If we want to tank, and surely waste the last years of Datsyuk/Zetterberg, and hopefully build up to a playoff franchise in 5 years then we should get a young GM and give him the reigns, I just don't think that's that right plan.

In Topic: Going forward with what we have

18 March 2014 - 12:41 PM

Oh I agree.

But I'm not just basing it off his NHL play, he was the same way in the AHL and college. He's always been a risk taker.

His value is higher as a defenseman no doubt. But if he's getting sat and gets passed up by deykeyser, lashoff, kindl etc. rather than sitting him I'd like to see what he could do offensively. You can't say you aren't curious what he would look like with his size, speed and puck skills playing in the top 6:)

It way too early to even talk about it, but I do see similarities between burns and smith that's what caught my attention.

Hmm I was onto something after all. Haha

I really think this is a good move, smith has too much natural talent to give up on. I have a good feeling about this forward experiment.

In Topic: Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

10 March 2014 - 09:31 PM


2011-12 stats_arrow.gif Brynäs stats_arrow.gif SHL 50 16 23 39 22 -3 | stats_arrow.gif Playoffs 16 4 12 16 12 12    stats_arrow.gif Sweden stats_arrow.gif EHT 6 1 1 2 2 -2 |                 stats_arrow.gif Sweden stats_arrow.gif WC 8 0 1 1 0 0 |                 stats_arrow.gif Sweden (all) stats_arrow.gif International 18 2 3 5 2 -6 |                2012-13 stats_arrow.gif Brynäs A.png  loan.pngstats_arrow.gif SHL 53 13 29 42 12 -2 | stats_arrow.gif Playoffs 4 0 0 0 6 -3    stats_arrow.gif Grand Rapids Griffins stats_arrow.gif AHL 9 0 3 3 0 3 |                 stats_arrow.gif Sweden stats_arrow.gif EHT 5 0 2 2 2 2 |                 stats_arrow.gif Sweden stats_arrow.gif WC 10 0 1 1 4 -2 |                 stats_arrow.gif Sweden (all) stats_arrow.gif International 16 0 2 2  

Last year and the year before at any level. Not impressive no arguing that. Go look up Zetterberg, Backstrom, Johanson, and other top Swedes when they played at the same level at the same age. Not comparable. Please post a game by game for his last 36 in the AHL I would be curious to see it as I have not yet found it.


Kids? Is that more of you making things up to defend your case?

His play back a few years was impacted by his size, which is not a tremendous issue for him anymore. Jarnkrok is a great prospect, there really shouldn't be a need to try and downplay his talent. The whole situation comes down to several reasons that are largely just based on opinions,

Bad Trade:

1. You think this season is a loss already, and should have kept future potential.

2. You think Legwand is only going to play 20 games with the Red Wings and the Wings lost Jarnkrok for nothing.

3. You like Legwand, but are sold on Jarnkrok becoming a top line center.


Good Trade.

1. You like Legwand, and think the evidence is there that he will resign.

2. Wings filled an immediate need by giving up a player that wouldn't fill that need for years.



Personally I think Jarnkrok was a great prospect his play the last few months has been fantastic, he's great with the puck, his defense is very underrated, his skating is good, there isn't a negative about him other than he's not going out and hammering people into the boards, but I also felt the Wings need for a center for the present season, outweighed the risk of hoping the development of Jarnkrok a few years down the road.

In Topic: Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

08 March 2014 - 11:34 AM

Feels kinda crappy to be hoping for a young kids career to be mediocre but I find myself doing it. LGW would be unbearable if he started lighting it up in the NHL


Nah, I hope he does well. Even if he becomes an all-star, it would still be a trade that needed to be done at the time. Legwand's importance to the team right now, was more than Jarnkrok's importance to our future, obviously our front office thinks that we have enough young talent(which I think we do, Nyquist/Tatar/Jurco/Sheahan/Pulkinnen/Mantha all look like they will be impact NHLers) that we could let go a promising prospect for a very good player right now. It's quite an achievement to become a point producing/defensive center like Legwand is, even if Jarnkrok becomes one, I'm confident we made the right move because we needed that kind of player now.

In Topic: Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

06 March 2014 - 03:01 PM

“I think every kid growing up here is a Red Wings fan, as they should be,” Legwand. “The tradition, the history, the players that have been here from the past, they’ve meant a lot to the city and to the team.”

*cough cough*




Not really aimed at you, but am I the only person that thinks Legwand might be a better option?


4 year difference in age, Kesler will make 5 million the next two seasons, Legwand you have to think won't be paid more than 4.5, and most likely will take a pay cut.


Legwand has a career PPG of .59, Kesler has a career PPG of .61 that's with playing in a more offensively talented Vancouver team. Legwand has actually outpaced Kesler so far this year in points. Defensively Kesler is better, they are about equal at the face-off circle. They are about identical when it comes to size, 6'2" 210.


But the difference to me comes with how much Kesler would have cost the Wings. I don't know I think Legwand is terribly underrated by a lot of the people here.