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#2383634 We control our own destiny...

Posted by MCleveland89 on 12 April 2013 - 09:13 AM

It's definitely a weird feeling knowing that our playoff chances could come down to the last game. I'll be happy as long as they make the playoffs. I want more Red Wings hockey and I want to keep that streak alive. I'm not ready for this half season to be over.

#2383683 Steve Ott tried "licking" Jeff Halpern's face

Posted by kipwinger on 12 April 2013 - 12:09 PM

My guess is that everyone who has to play against Ott is going to be in favour of making them mandatory! :P


It was kind of hard to tell from that angle, but it almost looked more like he stuck his tongue out in a licking motion rather than actually licking him.   I don't think he was actually trying to lick.


Haha, I watched Brendan Shanahan's video explanation of the incident.  According to Shanny every player is responsible for their own tongue, and much like their stick, they must be held responsible for ensuring its proper use.  Additionally, while there was clearly intent to lick, no penalty was assessed by the on ice officials.  Furthermore, it must be taken into account that Jeff Halpern was not injured as a result of the incident and was able to return to the ice later that period after squeegeeing off his visor. 


In Summary:


Clearly intent to lick

No "licking" penalty assessed

Halpern was not (physically) injured; no mention of the psychological effects


Because of this the Department of Player safety has decided to issue a warning to Buffalo's Steve Ott.  He will be considered a repeat "licker" going forward. 

#2382800 ESPN: The 7 deadly sins of roster construction

Posted by Crymson on 10 April 2013 - 02:54 PM

We like our team


The usage of this quote was clever at first. Several thousand uses later, it is getting very tiresome, even more so because it comes up in almost every single thread about the team.

#2381309 Concerned - we might not make it in to the playoffs

Posted by FlashyG on 06 April 2013 - 12:53 AM

Draft well? Nill admitted that drafting Pavel wasn't some stroke of drafting acumen, but in fact dumb luck. As Mickey says 5 times a game 'Sometimes its better to be lucky then to be good'. For every gem you give me I can show you how other teams have done the same, maybe not with 6th or 7th round picks, but with picks after the 2nd round (which just about every scout will admit anything after the 60th pick is a crap shoot). 

This isn't any new data but it shows the odds you have of drafting a successful player based on your position in the draft between Holland's first year as GM until 2005. To be considered a top player in this chart you have to play at least 200 NHL games with a PPG average at or above .5 PPG.

The second chart is Holland/Nill's success in the draft compared to the rest of the league.
Basically what it shows is that during that time period the Wings were better than the league average in every single slot, but more than twice as likely to land a top player past the 101st pick in the draft. They were also an astounding 7 times better than the league average drafting between 51 and 100.
Some of that might be luck, but 7 times better has to have some skill involved as well. Credit where credit is due, our management team's preference of skill over being NHL ready has paid dividends for this team over the years.

#2381283 4/5 GDT: Red Wings 3 @ Avalanche 2 (OT)

Posted by Jedi on 05 April 2013 - 11:07 PM

This might be the first game this season that they've won when I (hastily) made the GDT.



#2379931 Official NHL Trade Deadline thread

Posted by Nightfall on 03 April 2013 - 08:52 PM

I really am glad that Holland didn't spend picks or prospects to bring in Gaborik.  He is injury prone and isn't worth his 7.5 million dollar cap hit.  Pomminville was the only guy I would even consider, and he isn't a top 6 winger like the Wings need.  Boumeester isn't worth it either.


One of two things are going to happen.....


Either the Wings fall flat on their faces in the next couple years, fade away from playoff contention, Holland gets fired, and the collective whiners here will yell I told you so and sprint off to the Penguins forum board to become new fans....




The Wings will retool and rebuild over the course of the next couple years, and return younger and stronger in a couple years.  They will be in a better position to win a cup then, so the collective whiners will stick around and cheer their team on.


Either way, its a win/win for me.  This forum really does need an enema.  For too long, Wings fans have been gifted with high caliber teams and 4 Stanley Cups.  The Wings fans are spoiled.  Hell, I know I am.  You can thank the NHL for making league parity a top concern.  No longer can teams try to buy a cup.  The salary cap has leveled the playing field.  To expect a team to compete for the cup every year is ludicrous.  Making the playoffs should be the new benchmark now.  Once your team gets in, then anything can happen.


At this point, I am going to support the Wings as they work to make the playoffs.  I call on every Wings fan to do the same thing.  Stand behind your team.  Stand behind your Wings management.  Its that simple.

For every one saying Holland lacked the "balls" to do anything, I've already posted this but:

“We offered some of (prospects). At the end of the day someone didn’t like them as much as we do or they liked someone else’s players better.”


He made an effort to acquire someone. Other teams outbid him. Maybe it's not a matter of him not making an effort, but a matter of our prospects not being viewed as highly as someone else's? If Holland moved Nyquist, Mrazek and a 1st and 2nd to get Pominville, would you be happy? I'd be pissed off.


Hell, I would be really pissed if Holland offered that.  Pomminville isn't worth that.

#2379930 Official NHL Trade Deadline thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 03 April 2013 - 08:48 PM

For every one saying Holland lacked the "balls" to do anything, I've already posted this but:

“We offered some of (prospects). At the end of the day someone didn’t like them as much as we do or they liked someone else’s players better.”


He made an effort to acquire someone. Other teams outbid him. Maybe it's not a matter of him not making an effort, but a matter of our prospects not being viewed as highly as someone else's? If Holland moved Nyquist, Mrazek and a 1st and 2nd to get Pominville, would you be happy? I'd be pissed off.

#2379811 Shocking, Wings aren't active as trade deadline expires

Posted by Echolalia on 03 April 2013 - 05:33 PM

There are only a few ways to get players onto a hockey team.  Draft them, acquire them through free agency, pick them up off waivers, trade for them.  Only one of these options requires you lose something (RFA also I suppose, but that's still a rarity in this league).  The salary cap makes draft picks, prospects, and roster players that much more valuable, so trades are that much less desirable an option to collect players for your team.  I understand that its frustrating to get your hopes up every trade deadline expecting to land some star, but in today's hockey league its more important than ever to be economic.  That means developing your talent, holding onto your picks, and making big roster changes through free agency, not through trades.  Its boring, but its also a smart way to go.


I'm in the minority which believes Holland did not make a mistake this deadline by not making any moves.

#2379836 Shocking, Wings aren't active as trade deadline expires

Posted by Echolalia on 03 April 2013 - 05:57 PM

again..fine.  But be a seller then. 


Why?  Despite leading the league in man games lost, we are in a playoff spot right now, there's no need to blow up the team.  Committing your team to selling off your assets is the last option that any GM should think of, and will likely get anyone fired when they're not even bottom dwellers.  There's a lot of money to be had in postseason tickets, memorabilia, tv deals, etc which is ultimately what makes owners tick.

#2378638 Stars trade Jaromir Jagr to Bruins

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 02 April 2013 - 12:18 PM

It's not so much the fact that he didn't get him. It's the fact that there's a really big chance holland will make 0 moves. All year other teams have no problem doing it. We have a deep prospect pool

How many of the trades made would you want the Wings to make? I like Regehr, but I don't see how he would fit with the current D. Other than that trade, I don't think any of the trades made would have been the difference for the Wings this year, next year, etc. If Clowe and/or Gabby are traded for reasonable prices, it will be different IMO.


Making a move for the sake of making a move isn't what the Wings need. A move should only be made if it improves the team this year and in the coming years.

#2377845 Holland: "We don't need depth...Need a top guy"

Posted by kipwinger on 01 April 2013 - 05:38 PM

Gaborik and Cammalleri are probably the best options.


Agreed on Gaborik but not necessarily with Cammalleri.  I'd definitely take Cammy, he's a good scorer, but his stat line is almost exactly the same as Pominville's, they're the same size, both their contracts are through next season, Cammy makes 700k more, and he's noticeably worse on defense. 


I guess it would come down  to the asking price, if Cammy could be had for less then I'd go that route, if Pominville is cheaper then that's what I'd do. 

#2376409 Crosby left the game after puck to the face

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 30 March 2013 - 01:24 PM

Edited the thread title to be less obnoxious.


I understand not liking Crosby, but celebrating that he got hit in the face with the puck is lame.

#2376132 Wings sign D Dan DeKeyser to 2-year deal

Posted by Crymson on 29 March 2013 - 04:14 PM

Just like addition of Hossa....

C'mon Deke-kid is die hard Detroit fan... This was easy work for Kenny.



It doesn't make sense, the idea that when things don't go well with free agents, it's Holland's his fault, but when things go right with free agents, it's not Holland but instead other factors. He was the one who got this done, with numerous other GMs trying as well.


Anyway, good signing, good for the team.

Us is meant as in the Red Wings organization. Please do not turn a good thing into something bad.



#2373551 3/25 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Coyotes 2

Posted by FlashyG on 25 March 2013 - 12:07 AM



I spoke with Hockeytown0001 and I am filling in for his usual fantastic GDT work for tonights game as he is helping with his Mom's father who could pass any day now. Best wishes to him and his family. I hope he's back posting his work soon.


Lets Go Wings.

#2370662 Holland with Micky/Kenny...

Posted by evilzyme on 18 March 2013 - 11:37 AM

I saw the interview and mentioned in during the GDT when it had happened. I think he brought up his normal, what's he's been discussing recently, stuff up and elaborated alittle. I said this in the GDT also, and someone made reference of it, but I don't think it got enough attention. Abby is playing the role Bert has for Pasha, that's why Pasha loves it. I really think Pavel is missing Bert because he does what Abby does, and produces it while doing so. I can see Bert and Pavel having that weird connection witin the locker room and having that friendship bond. Bert is stern, to himself, and has his joking side. Pavel is quiet, to himself, and has his joking side. They love shootouts, mimic each others moves, and try to one up each other. They've had numerous celebration hugs together and generally look to be a little man couple. Bert produces with Pavel, and does a good job while doing it. That's why Pavel likes Abby, at least in my opinion.


Holland is completely right about everything he's said this season. Separation in the standings is what is going to cause trade deadline activity, unfortunately there isn't much because there isn't separation within the standings. He wants to be a buyer, not a seller come deadline time. Acquiring Helmer before the deadline is the best move they can logically make right now, and that's the truth. There is 0 moves out there, or better moves, like getting Helmer back. I agree with Babcock when he labels Helmer has the best 3rd line center in this league, or atleast in my opinion top 3. There ISN'T a move better than acquiring one of the best 3rd line centers in this league, with nothing coming out of it within your end. We acquire an outstanding bottom 6 center, while doing nothing to our pipeline. You can't beat that.


For all the Sammy hate, I still don't understand it. He's played in all of 3 games this season. The first 2 games of the season, which everyone and their mother was horrible in and then when he returned from his injury. I still don't know a player who could possibly come into a season, play in mid-season form, get injured and and then magically come into the season "mid-season" form. The guy hasn't even STARTED his season yet. He hasn't gotten his legs under neath him. I don't care who you are, you sure aren't going to play mid-season form within the first 2 games. Then you get injured, and come back (people magically think he's going to be mid-season form from that injury) play a single game and get injured again. We can't even evaluate how he's going to be within this system.