^THIS. Cups are the only thing that matters. The team doesn't have enough to win a cup unless some guys wake up and have career games from here on out. As much as I hate to say it, I wouldn't mind having a better pick right now.
Get in the playoffs and you can win.
Howard is an elite goalie, Datsyuk and Zetterberg can dominate. Franzen can get hot. and our depth players are all experienced and good defensively.
Smith/Quincey/Kindl/Lashoff etc. need to step up and play well.
It can happen, all of these things are in the realm of possibility. It's not like we need abdelkader to turn into lindros, we just need people to play to their potential, not above it.
Well, Holland dropped the ball here. Yes, this is me saying this. Gaborik and Pominville could both have been had for reasonable prices.
The only possible explanation I can think of for why this may not have been an option is that Buffalo and NYR wanted players who were not upcoming UFAs or prospects. We don't exactly have many of those to trade away.
I guess I'll wait on the official explanation.
What roster players that we have signed would New York want? They would most likely be asking for Helm for sure, they really miss the heart and soul aspect, that's why they really wanted dorsett. Brassard is a .50-.60 PPG like FIlpulla, but younger and actually on a 3 million deal after this year, so his value is higher. and John Moore is a first round defenseman, that's 22 years old. I guess he's in between the value of Smith/Lashoff.
And Pominville was had for our equivalent of Number #1 goalie and center prospects Jarnkrok, and Mrazek and now there might be word that picks were also involved from minnesota. That would really hurt the wings future, I'd really pass on that, and I really like Pominville.
both those goalies are the reasons they won the cup and stole series for them ... howards won nothing
rinne is the only reason nashville even competes and price is just starting off but hes a future star
your thinking with your heart not your head
I find that ironic when I posted numbers. A goalie can only do so much, did you hold it against Hasek for 8 years before he won?
Fact is goalies in this league don't stay elite for long, Miller was amazing for a couple years, Luongo was briliant for a long time, Thomas put up ridiculous numbers, every Phoenix goalie puts up numbers. etc. Elite goalies are a rare commodity, and I'd venture to say their may not be an "elite" goalie ala Hasek, Roy, Brodeur playing right now.
It really depends on your definition, if all it takes is a good cup run to be elite then Fleury should be in their, along with Neimi, Thomas, Giguere. But if a goalie can't be elite without winning in the playoffs then you are leaving out a ton of great goalies.
howard is ranked higher than price rinne ward quick ... can you honestly say youd rather have howard than all those guys??
Look at their career numbers.
Howard .917 with 2.42 gaa his best season was .924 and 2.26 GAA 2.25 million
Price .916 with 2.53 gaa his best season was .923 and 2.35 GAA 6.5 million
Rinne .920 with 2.35 gaa his best season was .930 and 2.12 GAA 7 million
Ward .910 with 2.74 GAA his best season was .923 and 2.56 GAA 6.3 million
Quick .915 with 2.32 GAA his best season was .929 and 1.95 GAA 5.4 million
I don't see the major difference, but you know where I do see? Look at salaries. Howard at 4-5 million is better.
And Rinne's and Quick's best season were behind defensively oriented clubs, not a type of team Howard is playing behind now.
I really think Howard gets underrated here, we finally get a very good goalie, and yet he's not good enough. If we were paying him Quick money, and then puts up .895 SV% like Quick is this year do you think we'd be happy?
ya VERY LOW He dominated the world juniors and gave some stellar performances .... hes playing great in the ahl in his first season , played great in his first nhl game and he just turned 21 .... hes way ahead of what jimmy howard was when he was this age your fooling yourself if you say otherwise
an elite goalie is a goalie who is the most valuable player to there team , he takes his team to the next level and can win series by themselves (lundqvist,renne) howard is good and hes more important to our success with lidstrom gone but datsyuk/zetterberg is more valuable to us and howard hasnt won any series for us by himself and mrazek has that ability
Nobody knows that Mrazek has the ability. He has the potential to.
Jimmy Howad also dominated the 2002 World Juniors and lead the US to a gold medal. Then he goes back to college hockey and leads his team to a final four championship game and lost the game 1-0. He set league records in college. Jimmy was also the first griffin goalie to be named to the all rookie team, and set several griffin records. Then his first NHL season he gets nominated for a Calder trophy and puts up top 5 SV% and GAA numbers better than Lundqvist, Bryzgalov, Brodeur, Kiprusoff, Rinne, Price, Luongo, Thomas.
His career numbers of .917 and 2.42 are not that far off of your elite criteria of .920 and 2.35 for Rinne. Or quick .915 and 2.32. How about Ryan Miller who everyone thought was elite a few years ago with .915 and 2.59.
Fact is Howard has proven to be an elite goalie. And he has been elite at every level.
No goalie is going to put up great numbers with this current Wing's team. They are awful at turning the puck over, and allow way too many high % chances. The only goalie that would do well would be Hasek, and the odds of Mrazek being Hasek are 1 in a million.
How many of the trades made would you want the Wings to make? I like Regehr, but I don't see how he would fit with the current D. Other than that trade, I don't think any of the trades made would have been the difference for the Wings this year, next year, etc. If Clowe and/or Gabby are traded for reasonable prices, it will be different IMO.
Making a move for the sake of making a move isn't what the Wings need. A move should only be made if it improves the team this year and in the coming years.
Yep I'm being patient.
If Pominville, Eriksson, Gaborik, Courturier etc. get moved for a reasonable price I'll start to hold Holland to the fire. But so far none of these moves are that big of a loss.
whens the last time we had a true superstar goalie with the wings??? osgood ?? vernon??cheveldae?? hanlon? howard is good but i wouldnt say hes an elite goalie we finally have one in mrazek who can be an elite nhl goalie and you guys wanna ship him off .... no thank you
The odds of Mrazek becoming better than Howard are low. Very low.
What's an elite goalie? would top 5 in SV% and GAA be elite? Because if that's not elite then their isn't an NHL goalie that is elite.
umm no thanks you dont trade away goalies of mrazek's caliber
I love Mrazek I really do. But Jimmy is here for the foreseeable future. Adding young big forward to our line up will make us a more effective team for the next 4-5 years, and Couturier has all the potential in the world to be a great player.
I don't see the downside, we lose a blue chip goalie, for a blue chip forward. The difference is we actually have a good goalie that will be here for a while, while our forward depth looks pretty barren for bigger top 6 caliber prospects.
Now unless you think Mrazek will step in next year if we let Howard go, I don't see how this deal doesn't look appealing.
Or on the first goal where he puts up a great fight in front of the net, but it's ok Jeremy Morin is one of the strongest powerforwards in the league I wouldn't expect our number 1 guy to be able to clear a puck, or control his stick.
Or what about having the 2nd most minor penalties for defensemen in the entire league? It's ok, our number 1 guy doesn't need to be on the ice, he just wants to let other guys develop their penalty kill skills.