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#2378728 Ericsson for Courturier?

Posted by Carman on 02 April 2013 - 02:19 PM

ward won a cup mvp


quick won a cup mvp



both those goalies are the reasons they won the cup and stole series for them ... howards won nothing

rinne is the only reason nashville even competes and price is just starting off but hes a future star



your thinking with your heart not your head


I find that ironic when I posted numbers. A goalie can only do so much, did you hold it against Hasek for 8 years before he won?


Fact is goalies in this league don't stay elite for long, Miller was amazing for a couple years, Luongo was briliant for a long time, Thomas put up ridiculous numbers, every Phoenix goalie puts up numbers. etc. Elite goalies are a rare commodity, and I'd venture to say their may not be an "elite" goalie ala Hasek, Roy, Brodeur playing right now.


It really depends on your definition, if all it takes is a good cup run to be elite then Fleury should be in their, along with Neimi, Thomas, Giguere. But if a goalie can't be elite without winning in the playoffs then you are leaving out a ton of great goalies.

#2378716 Ericsson for Courturier?

Posted by Carman on 02 April 2013 - 02:07 PM

howard is ranked higher than  price rinne ward quick ... can you honestly say youd rather have howard than all those guys??




Look at their career numbers.


Howard .917 with 2.42 gaa his best season was .924 and 2.26 GAA 2.25 million

Price .916 with 2.53 gaa his best season was .923 and 2.35 GAA 6.5 million

Rinne .920 with 2.35 gaa his best season was .930 and 2.12 GAA 7 million

Ward .910 with 2.74 GAA his best season was .923 and 2.56 GAA  6.3 million

Quick .915 with 2.32 GAA his best season was .929 and 1.95 GAA 5.4 million


I don't see the major difference, but you know where I do see? Look at salaries. Howard at 4-5 million is better.


And Rinne's and Quick's best season were behind defensively oriented clubs, not a type of team Howard is playing behind now.

I really think Howard gets underrated here, we finally get a very good goalie, and yet he's not good enough. If we were paying him Quick money, and then puts up .895 SV% like Quick is this year do you think we'd be happy?

#2378668 Ericsson for Courturier?

Posted by Carman on 02 April 2013 - 12:44 PM

ya VERY LOW :sigh:  He dominated the world juniors and gave some stellar performances .... hes playing great in the ahl in his first season , played great in his first nhl game and he just turned 21 .... hes way ahead of what jimmy howard was when he was this age your fooling yourself if you say otherwise


an elite goalie is a goalie who is the most valuable player to there team , he takes his team to the next level and can win series by themselves (lundqvist,renne) howard is good and hes more important to our success with lidstrom gone  but datsyuk/zetterberg is more valuable to us and howard hasnt won any series for us by himself and mrazek has that ability


Nobody knows that Mrazek has the ability. He has the potential to.


Jimmy Howad also dominated the 2002 World Juniors and lead the US to a gold medal. Then he goes back to college hockey and leads his team to a final four championship game and lost the game 1-0. He set league records in college. Jimmy was also the first griffin goalie to be named to the all rookie team, and set several griffin records. Then his first NHL season he gets nominated for a Calder trophy and puts up top 5 SV% and GAA numbers better than Lundqvist, Bryzgalov, Brodeur, Kiprusoff, Rinne, Price, Luongo, Thomas.


His career numbers of .917 and 2.42 are not that far off of your elite criteria of .920 and 2.35 for Rinne. Or quick .915 and 2.32. How about Ryan Miller who everyone thought was elite a few years ago with .915 and 2.59.


Fact is Howard has proven to be an elite goalie. And he has been elite at every level.


No goalie is going to put up great numbers with this current Wing's team. They are awful at turning the puck over, and allow way too many high % chances. The only goalie that would do well would be Hasek, and the odds of Mrazek being Hasek are 1 in a million.

#2378644 Stars trade Jaromir Jagr to Bruins

Posted by Carman on 02 April 2013 - 12:22 PM

How many of the trades made would you want the Wings to make? I like Regehr, but I don't see how he would fit with the current D. Other than that trade, I don't think any of the trades made would have been the difference for the Wings this year, next year, etc. If Clowe and/or Gabby are traded for reasonable prices, it will be different IMO.


Making a move for the sake of making a move isn't what the Wings need. A move should only be made if it improves the team this year and in the coming years.


Yep I'm being patient.


If Pominville, Eriksson, Gaborik, Courturier etc. get moved for a reasonable price I'll start to hold Holland to the fire. But so far none of these moves are that big of a loss.

#2378640 Holland: "We don't need depth...Need a top guy"

Posted by Carman on 02 April 2013 - 12:19 PM

Loui Eriksson would just be ideal. Great cap number, great two way player, automatic 25 goals 70+ points. Swedish. 27 years old.


Get it done.

#2378633 Ericsson for Courturier?

Posted by Carman on 02 April 2013 - 12:14 PM

whens the last time we had a true superstar goalie with the wings??? osgood ?? vernon??cheveldae?? hanlon? howard is good but i wouldnt say hes an elite goalie we finally have one in mrazek who can be an elite nhl goalie and you guys wanna ship him off .... no thank you


The odds of Mrazek becoming better than Howard are low. Very low.


What's an elite goalie? would top 5 in SV% and GAA be elite? Because if that's not elite then their isn't an NHL goalie that is elite.

#2378613 Ericsson for Courturier?

Posted by Carman on 02 April 2013 - 11:55 AM

umm no thanks you dont trade away goalies of mrazek's caliber


I love Mrazek I really do. But Jimmy is here for the foreseeable future. Adding young big forward to our line up will make us a more effective team for the next 4-5 years, and Couturier has all the potential in the world to be a great player.


I don't see the downside, we lose a blue chip goalie, for a blue chip forward. The difference is we actually have a good goalie that will be here for a while, while our forward depth looks pretty barren for bigger top 6 caliber prospects.


Now unless you think Mrazek will step in next year if we let Howard go, I don't see how this deal doesn't look appealing.

#2378552 Holland: "We don't need depth...Need a top guy"

Posted by Carman on 02 April 2013 - 10:56 AM

Derek Morris has been put on the block by PHX. Ian White + conditional pick for Morris? 


Ian White> Derek Morris

#2378545 Holland: "We don't need depth...Need a top guy"

Posted by Carman on 02 April 2013 - 10:50 AM

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger 3m

Detroit was believed to be a strong contender for Jagr last night. Asking price too much? Bruins now a frontrunner. #tradecentre



dear god no!!!!!


Why not? He wouldn't immediately come in and be our 3rd best player. He is great in the corners, has good size. Would really help slow down our powerplay and help our top lines puck possession game.

#2378507 Trade Ian White

Posted by Carman on 02 April 2013 - 09:29 AM

Trade Ian White?


Have you seen Kronwall lately?


What do you mean?


Look at this great lateral movement on the second goal. He abandoned that side of the ice with magnificent agility.




Or on the first goal where he puts up a great fight in front of the net, but it's ok Jeremy Morin is one of the strongest powerforwards in the league I wouldn't expect our number 1 guy to be able to clear a puck, or control his stick.


Or what about having the 2nd most minor penalties for defensemen in the entire league? It's ok, our number 1 guy doesn't need to be on the ice, he just wants to let other guys develop their penalty kill skills.



We need a #1, Kronwall is not the answer.

#2378147 Bouwmeester to Blues

Posted by Carman on 01 April 2013 - 08:06 PM

Maybe we could get cammy for 1nd rounder if we make the playoffs, 4th if we miss Mccolluum and Jurco lol




these prices are ridiculous !! we could probably get a 2nd and maybe a 5th as well at this rate we'd be stupid not to trade him as hes gone anyways and he probably wont even play much anymore


is that a joke? Those prospects are nobodies, Calgary got screwed.

#2377858 4/1 GDT : Avalanche 2 at Red Wings 3

Posted by Carman on 01 April 2013 - 05:46 PM

walking into the dressing room


Opening the door to get in the rink.

#2377855 Holland: "We don't need depth...Need a top guy"

Posted by Carman on 01 April 2013 - 05:45 PM

Per Eklund: (posting it for the lawlz) On Brian Campbell...

He is another who may stay put, but I was told if Detroit can move some salary out in time they would be all over Brian Campbell


Yikes I would find Kenny and immediately vomit on him if that happens.

#2377839 Holland: "We don't need depth...Need a top guy"

Posted by Carman on 01 April 2013 - 05:34 PM

Gaborik and Cammalleri are probably the best options.


I'll give you Gaborik, but in no world is Cammalleri a better option than Pominville. Pominville produces more points, and is a much better two way player. Not mention cheaper, and right handed.

#2377835 Holland: "We don't need depth...Need a top guy"

Posted by Carman on 01 April 2013 - 05:30 PM

Pominville is exactly not what this team needs.


What should the red wings do? What better option is there? Come on, I understand Bouwmeester, but this one is a no brainer.


I mean Pominville is about as consistent of point producer that there is. He's a good player. Our top 6 is trash right now, not to mention he's a right handed shot.