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In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Yesterday, 01:52 AM

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If the rumours are to be believed and Trouba wanted out for months why didn't Kenny try to offer sheet him? if the jets are too cheap to pay their best defender offer sheet him with 8x8 and boom..Danny D. - Trouba without giving up assets damn

You don't know how it works. You'd give up four! 1st round picks with that offer, for the right to hilariously overpay Trouba.

In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

27 September 2016 - 03:22 PM

Although I've long been an advocate for trading for Jacob Trouba the past year or so, the harsh reality remains: Ken Holland is our GM, and Ken Holland doesn't overpay for impact players. No, I don't consider David Legwand or Erik Cole (at the time we acquired them as pending UFA's) impact type players - and although the price was steep, the return for those two players won't be in the same ballpark as what Trouba will command.

 

Just to ruin everyone's Tuesday - which is for some reason the worst day of the week anyway...Take a look at the most recent trades involving an impact Right Handed Defencemen - and what the return was:

 

June 29th - PK SUBBAN - Cost NSH Shea Weber.

June 29th - SHEA WEBER - Cost MTL PK Subban.

June 29th - ADAM LARSSON - Cost EDM Taylor Hall.

May 2th - ERIK GUDBRANSON - Cost VAN Jared Mccann, The 38th overall pick, and the 94th overall pick in 2016.

Jan 6h - SETH JONES - Cost CBJ Ryan Johansen.

June 26th (2015) - DOUGIE HAMILTON - Cost CGY The 15th overall. 45th overall, and 52nd overall picks in 2015.

 

The early reports out of Winnipeg suggest the Jets are looking for a young, slightly less valuable, left handed version of Trouba to pair with Myers or Buff... Which means we likely have to include Dekeyser in a package that would also require prospects, maybe scoring depth. Forget about Kronwall, Ericsson, Marchenko or Green as these players don't line up with what WPG is looking for... and unfortunately, given the market value of RHD, I don't think the cost of this trade is ultimately what Ken Holland is looking for either.

 

Pipe Dream: Smith (because Advanced Stats), Nyquist (Because he's the slightly worse/more expensive version of Tatar), Oulette (Everyone's favorite throw in) and maybe Svechnikov or a 1st Rounder in 2017... Which is too expensive for us, and probably not even enough for them.

 

Oh well.

Gudbranson is an impact player?

 

I wouldn't say your pipe dream is "not enough", but it's probably not the right kind of package.

 

It is a gross overpayment though. Granted, that seems to be the trend for young D-men...Larsson, Gudbranson, Reinhart, even Hamilton to some extent (though he's far better than the other three). 

 

Smith + 1st + either 2nd or good prospect that wouldn't need protecting. Probably the closest we can get to what the Jets would want, short of offering Dekeyser. Not sure they'd think Smith was an adequate Trouba replacement though, plus being a pending UFA. 


In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

27 September 2016 - 11:40 AM

I think Nyquist alone "should" get us Fowler, but I don't think it would... That's why I would be willing to throw in a Marchenko or Ouellet to get it done. Then flip Fowler and a high pick (1st or 2nd) for Trouba. Makes perfect sense for all three teams in my opinion...

If you already have Fowler, why give up the high pick for Trouba?


In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

26 September 2016 - 11:12 PM

What about some sort of three way deal involving both Anaheim and Winnipeg? Something along the lines of...

 

To ANA: Nyquist, Marchenko

 

To WPG: Fowler, 1st round pick (DET)

 

To DET - Trouba

 

Anaheim gets their top 6 winger. Winnipeg gets their top 4 left handed defenseman. Detroit gets their top 4 right handed defenseman... I'm not sure if the value in and out would be good for each team, but I don't think it's that far off...

 

Ugh.  I really hate to get into the trade for Trouba hype, but this just makes too much sense to me.  We need a young righty defenseman.  The Jets want an established left shooting defenseman, and the Ducks want(ed?) a left wing PP specialist?

 

To Detroit:

Trouba

 

To Winnipeg:

Fowler

 

To Anaheim:

Nyquist+

Well, if the "+" was Marchenko and our 1st probably not. Though we are in a situation where we can probably afford to overpay without really hurting our long-term outlook.

 

But if we can get Fowler out of Anaheim it solves our problem just as much as Trouba would. A 1-for-1 swap like you suggest would work, but I wouldn't add anything extra like krsmith would.

 

One for one? Yes I would. But there's no way Cheveldayoff would make that trade. Besides, it doesn't really make a ton of sense for us either. ...

Pretty much what I think too. I'm not sure that Trouba is, or will for sure be, any better than DD, and he'd probably cost more, but I'd do it based on the potential.


In Topic: Dan Cleary Gets Training Camp Tryout

20 September 2016 - 02:31 PM

Either Holland is on board with the culture of mediocrity or he's allowing ownership to interfere. If it's the first he should be fired, if it's the second he should have the balls to tell them let me do my job or fire me. Then he has his choice of jobs on teams that want to win.

There is no "culture of mediocrity". Teams have down times. Deal with it.