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In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

23 August 2016 - 07:33 PM

Here's our problem at expansion, according to generalfanager.Com both AA and Mantha need to be protected or be exposed...now who do you protect?

Nielsen automatic

That's two too many...we get 7 fwds, 3 D and 1 G.

Another reason to look to shipping nyquist off in a D deal. No one will snag Z would they, if you left him unprotected?
Sure, but if no one claims him, they're on the books for $4.1M against the cap. The only get $900,000 relief if they waive him and he clears...

I think a lot depends on this year's performance, but I'd expect Helm and Sheahan be left unprotected. I'd worry about Z, since Vegas might want some veteran leadership and may need some help to meet the cap floor. Though if he takes another step back, it may be worth the risk. 


And it's $950K in cap space, which would leave $3.05 in dead space. Either way though, it'd be enough to keep one of the kids, which I think is what Kliq was getting at.

In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

23 August 2016 - 06:52 PM

Anybody read the NHL.com "5 Questions" article with Ken Holland? I liked that they're planning to start Zetterberg with Nielsen, but a bit disappointed that he didn't mention AA when talking about prospective centers. I'm going to be really irritated if they develop that kid into a winger.

I believe he's talking just about this year, and there's next to no chance (barring a rash of injuries) that AA makes it as a center this year. Needs a lot of work on his defensive game, from what I saw. Within the next few years though, I too would hope the plan is to have him at center. 


Either you're not sure Nyquist and Holmstrom can get Fowler, or you're not sure Fowler is good enough to be worth just Nyquist. ....

Both can be true. Murray would decide what Fowler would cost, reality would decide what he'd be worth. 

In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

22 August 2016 - 07:09 PM

I assume you just don't know that much about Winnipeg. Like the Wings, they are kind of loaded with mid-level forwards: Wheeler, Scheifele, Little, Perreault, Ehlers, Stafford. Obviously Laine will be in the mix. Most seem to expect Kyle Connor to make the team and some think he may be better than Larkin. Just signed Matthias. Dano looked ok for them last year. Burmistrov will probably never amount to much, but he's still only 24 so I doubt they've completely given up on him. 


I'd say it's hardly a lock that Sheahan or Pulk would even make their top-9, much less top-6. Plus they (like pretty much everyone) are already going to be struggling with the question of whom to protect. Then you include Smith, and either they resign him and have to protect him, or they risk losing him as an UFA.


The Jets offense wasn't very good, but neither was their defense. Even losing Ladd, the potential impact of Laine and Connor plus continued development of Ehlers (and maybe a little more from Scheifele even) gives reason for some optimism there. On defense, Morrissey is the only good prospect they have. Getting rid of Trouba for anything other than a direct replacement doesn't make much sense. Maybe for a real upgrade at forward or a top pick + prospect that wouldn't need protection.


Really nothing about that trade makes any sense for the Jets. The only way it would is if they get completely desperate with being unable to resign Trouba, and just go for the highest bid. But you already admit that wouldn't likely be us. 


The Anaheim deal is a bit better, if you presume they are still looking for help at forward. I'm not sure they still are, but they do have a lot of good young D. Not so sure Nyquist + Holmstrom would get Fowler (E and Bieksa is more or less a wash), with Nyquist coming off a down year and with a longish-term contract. Also not sure Fowler is even good enough to be worth Nyquist.

In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

22 August 2016 - 12:02 PM

I like how you use a fan blog as evidence that your trades are realistic.

In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

15 August 2016 - 11:06 AM

I like to go back to the Bobby Ryan trade. If Holland had the balls to deal Jarnkrok back then and a Nyquist with high end potential we'd of had and still have a top line scorer on this team. He may be declining a bit, but he is still better than most of our wingers now....

There was also a first-round pick in that deal. So even assuming the Ducks would have taken Nyquist and Jarnkrok, it would have also cost us Larkin. Also, over the last 3 years, Nyquist has more goals than Ryan.