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In Topic: Curtis Glencross regrets taking hometown discount

Today, 05:33 PM


Bergeron is awesome but he signed a 10 year contract something Toews and Stamkos couldn't / can't do so the cap comparison makes no sense. if Toews signed for 10 years it would be 8,5 vs 6,8 aav and at that point I'd take captain serious.

Bergeron's deal is for 8 years, exactly the same length as Toews'. 

In Topic: Franzen back on ice

26 August 2015 - 05:26 PM


Concussions/brain trauma/CTE are all still being studied so there's no 'guidelines' other than trying to prevent more concussions.


Those who have had concussions are more susceptible for another.


Ex Chicago Bears QB Jim McMahon has had more than his fair share of concussions...http://www.newsday.c...s-too-1.9493358

I said as much in my previous posts.


And I'm not sure an article about a guy who's "living a relatively normal life again" is the best support for the Franzen-should-retire-now-or-he's-doomed argument. Especially since the article seems to suggest that the true cause of most of his symptoms was in his neck rather than from the concussions.

In Topic: Franzen back on ice

26 August 2015 - 02:39 PM


Ever heard of CTE?


Of course, and I listed a few of the common symptoms, which is why I didn't feel the need to mention it specifically.


He's already at risk for that (may in fact already have it) which is why I say that it's unlikely that playing again and/or suffering another concussion will change anything. Furthermore, literally every player in the league is at risk (relative to those with less physical careers). How much greater a risk Franzen faces is unclear, much less how much more (if any) another concussion would add.


All I'm saying is that there seems to be some sense that another concussion is going to completely destroy any semblance of quality of life. Like he'll never be able to play with his kids again, or walk straight, etc. But there's nothing that suggests he's facing anything near that level of severity. 

In Topic: Franzen back on ice

26 August 2015 - 11:31 AM


So having 5+ concussions doesn't justify hanging them up talk in a sport where getting hit in the head is pretty common? I think that the people trying to defend him against the mean ol LGW posters who want him gone are having their better judgments clouded.

It does, but at the same time I don't think there'd be nearly the same level of "concern" if it were Datsyuk or Zetterberg with the same history.


It's unlikely he will be the Mule of Old ... and very likely that he will be targeted by other teams and out again - this time permanently?  That is my fear -- for his life and health.  But I do imagine that it must be terribly difficult to walk away from a sport you love, and where you've excelled... while you can still walk straight and all.   :scared:


Yeah but I think it was this time that he has been off when he said that he has had more then what we fans and most people knew about. So when you have that many it is time to start thinking about hanging them up. Because of the violent nature of the sport you never know. Getting hit in the head with a puck or just cracking your skull on the ice. With him having a wife and kids you would be stupid not to think about walking away while you can still walk on your own.

And then this is what I meant by an exaggerated sense of the risks. While a lot remains unknown about the effects of repeated head trauma, there is not any evidence suggesting that a person with a concussion history is at any greater risk of catastrophic or permanently debilitating brain injury than anyone else.


He's almost certainly at greater risk of suffering another concussion, and suffering PCS if he does. While PCS could potentially (but very rarely it seems) be permanent or very long lasting, serious symptoms are not. People with long-term PCS can still live happy, healthy, active lives. Maybe not as active or physical as someone in perfect health, but still more or less normal. Reduction in memory and cognitive function is also possible, but that tends to be very minor. Depression is probably the biggest risk, but at the same time just knowing that it is a risk makes it far easier to manage. And that's already something that he and his doctors will need to look out for anyway.


Bottom line is that it doesn't seem that his long-term health is likely to be significantly different whether he plays and suffers another concussion or not.

In Topic: Franzen back on ice

25 August 2015 - 11:10 AM


Both are in the realm of possibility. My bad for having an "uncool" opinion of Franzen. I'm not baiting, I'm 100% serious. Thought you'd know my stance on Franzen by now.



I don't get why he "Should've hung him up"


You know nothing about this concussion, past concussions, or prior medical history. All we know is he's been cleared by his doctors to play and that's good enough for me. I would never wish for someone to be forced into retirement. Like I said Franzen gets this treatment, but for some reason not Zberg, even though chronic back issues can be just as bad.

Technically he's not cleared to play yet. Probably will get clearance from the sound of things, but we'll see.


No doubt that much of the "hang-'em-up" talk comes from people who just want him gone, but also some seem to have an overblown sense of the risks. Like they think he's one good hit away from being a vegetable.