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#2606362 DRW Free Agents / Salary Thread

Posted by Buppy on Yesterday, 11:54 AM



My thinking is actually not far off from most of what you said. These were depth signings that didn't really hurt us, but that's a low bar for what's considered a good signing. When you buy out a player, I think that means it was definitely a bad signing. Neither Tootoo or Coliacovo where bad here. Coliacovo only played 6 regular season games. He didn't hurt us, but that's not a signing that helped you out especially when he took up 2.5 mill for a caphit. Tootoo did his thing and changed our minds and decided that didn't fit our team. That also didn't hurt us, but I'm still not ready to call that a good signing.


White was good that 1st year and he was a bridge player, Yeah, maybe that's all we wanted him to be. Sammy for 2 years at a 3 million caphit for 30gp 1g, 3a - I don't think anyone should consider a worthwhile signing. The short term of that deal didn't hurt us all that much, but it did keep Nyquist out the lineup and/or prohibited us from signing anyone else.


Commodore didn't take #64 so he will always be considered a disappointment. 

Not saying they're good signings, I'm saying they're irrelevant. Players signed to fill the bottom of the roster rarely help the team much. People just wanted players for the top lines, so they think of those signings in those terms. 

#2606179 Kronwall in the Playoffs

Posted by Buppy on 05 May 2015 - 07:26 PM


Three seasons is enough of a sample size.  I doubt he's going to be any younger next season.  He may have been a better #1 a few years before Lidstrom retired.  Maybe not.  But at this point, what exactly is Kronwall's upside?  


25 games is 25 games, no matter how many seasons it's spread over. It's a small sample. The numbers I gave are his regular season numbers from the same 3 years. That puts him 11th (or 10th if you count Burns as a forward) in defense scoring in that span. He also plays in all situations and against the top opposition. That he hasn't had many playoff points in that time doesn't diminish that.


In the last 2 years he has 1g, 4p in 11 games. Not all that good but not really that bad either. Your stats are skewed by the one year he only managed 2p in 14g.


You could argue that we need a Norris caliber #1 on the basis that almost all the Cup winners in the last 25 years or so have had one. You can say that Kronwall is not Norris caliber. You can say Kronwall needs to produce more in the playoffs. You might even argue that he's a below average #1. But to say he's not a #1 at all is just silly.

#2605834 should mrazek get #1 tag next season

Posted by Buppy on 03 May 2015 - 11:00 PM

Would you enlighten us as to what is not being comprehend? We're just going off of what you wrote. Here, I'll quote it for you again.


If your point isn't trading Mrazek over Howard, what is it?? And what do Pavel and Hank have to do with it? Is it because you mentioned potentially trading them right before mentioning trading Mrazek? You're right, they have trade value. But no one is stupid enough to think they would actually get traded. That's why no one is upset about it.


Again, what exactly is being uncomprehend from what you wrote?

The poster I was responding to said Howard was our best trade asset. I disagreed and gave a list of other players I believe would be better. Nowhere did I suggest that anyone, let alone Mrazek, actually should be traded.


To make it even simpler: I don't think either goalie should be traded right now.

#2605824 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by Buppy on 03 May 2015 - 10:25 PM

Couldn't this go in the "Things you'd like to see thread..."? Trying to follow two threads on the same topic is so confusing.

#2605610 Free agents this off season

Posted by Buppy on 02 May 2015 - 06:43 PM

"underperforming veterans" is a funny way to spell Weiss.  :ninja:

#2605541 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by Buppy on 02 May 2015 - 01:45 AM


Yes, I am saying that. 


Neither Kane, nor Toews, have been as good as Zetterberg and Datsyuk were in 2008.  That's a fact.  They simply weren't.  Kane had 88 points and was a joke defensively defensively.  Toews was better at defense, but scored 68.  Datsyuk and Zetterberg score 90+ points, were world class defensive players AND played on both the PP and penalty kill to boot. 


If you think Toews and Kane in 2010 and 2012 were better (or as good) as Dats or Z in 2008 you're nuts.  They weren't, by any objective measure. 


Kopitar is an excellent player.  World class.  He's never score 90+, played on both special teams, and played world class defense. Neither did Carter.  Or Brown.  Or Richards.  Or Gaborik. 


No team, in the modern era has won the Cup with two players that good.  Not Pittsburgh.  Not Chicago.  Not Los Angeles or Boston. 


People forget just how good Dats and Z and Lidstrom were in 2008. They were simultaneously two of the top five best offensive AND the defensive fowards in the world, at the same time.  Lidstrom was THE best offensive and defensive defenseman at the same time.  Nobody you mentioned was has every been that good.  Period.


And I'm honestly not even trying to rag on Babs here.  I don't think he needs players that good to win.  And if he does, I hope he's not holding his breath, because you're not likely to find anybody that good in a while.  I'm criticizing folks who think that Babs is looking for another Pav and Z for his next job.  There aren't another Pav and Z.  Anywhere. 


Please, if you've got a single argument that suggests that any of Kopitar, Kane, Toews, Crosby, Malkin, or anybody else was as good as Dats and Z were in 2008, I'd love to hear it. 


Edit:  I'm focusing on the forwards because that was the original context of the debate, but the same applies for the defense.  Doughty and Keith are amazing.  They're not better than Lidstrom was in 2008.  Not even close. 


But again, my point is that I doubt finding "another Pav and Z" is Babs' primary motivation.  Because he won't be able to, and he shouldn't need to.  And if it is his primary motivation, then he's not that great. 

And what, if not an attempt to rag on Babs, would make you assume that "Datsyuk and Zetterberg" means specifically Datsyuk and Zetterberg at their absolute peak? 


Some believe Babs may be looking for that kind of player because he specifically mentioned those two (and Kronwall). Then he said, "You've got to have big-time players up the middle and on the back to be successful". Big-time players. Not "90+ pt Selke finalists and generational defensemen". I'll bet you won't find many successful teams that didn't have big-time players.


Look at Zetterberg in terms of his whole career rather than just his best year and you could argue that Kopitar and Toews are at a very similar level. Crosby and Malkin aren't as good defensively but much better offensively, and most would say they're better overall. Getzlaf, Seguin, Giroux, Tavares, Stamkos, and I'm sure several others could be considered close or even better. Same goes for Datsyuk, really. Maybe not a lot will reach their peak point totals, maybe none who are also Selke candidates the same year, but you're the only one taking it so overly specific.


Teams are rarely successful without superstars. Replacing ours is a legitimate concern. Most likely isn't going to happen until we get much worse. I'd be surprised if that concern isn't a major factor in Babs' decision. Fortunately, there aren't likely to be many teams that are better off in the "star" department and also looking for a coach.

#2604903 should mrazek get #1 tag next season

Posted by Buppy on 30 April 2015 - 08:21 AM

Goalies generally do not garner a big return. A goalie with a big contract for 4 more years and coming off a bad 2nd half and being benched for the playoffs certainly isn't. Trading Howard wouldn't solve any problems but could potentially cause one. 

#2599997 Unforced icings

Posted by Buppy on 24 April 2015 - 11:51 AM

I'd say they have at least 15-20 unforced icings a game. Say the wings win 50% of those faceoffs that's almost 10 extra offensive posessions for their opponent a game while the wings are losing possible posessions in the offensive zone. It's frustrating to watch, and I basically count it as a turnover even if they win the ensuing faceoff.

LOL. You're not even in the ballpark. Wings have 18 icings so far in the series. Can't determine forced/unforced, but I'd say most icings tend to be unforced. TB has 12.


You can find the info in the play by play reports on NHL.com. Far too much work to go through the whole season, much less to do so for the whole league.


Like most other stats, I would assume the Wings are between a bit above or a bit below average. 

#2596723 Recommend me a game from the glory days

Posted by Buppy on 19 April 2015 - 08:22 PM

'95 series against Chicago was a great one. 3 OT wins. Game 5 especially awesome. Belfour was unreal until the last goal. Plus, anything that ends with a sad Jeremy Roenick is great.


The demolition of the Sharks in the 2nd round that year was fun too, though you need to watch the 94 series first for the full "gratifying revenge" effect.


Crashing back to Earth against NJ was much less fun to witness.

#2596718 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by Buppy on 19 April 2015 - 07:42 PM

End of the AHL regular season today. Pulkkinen lead the league in goals, despite playing only 46 games. Also apparently the highest PPG in the league.


Congrats Teemu!

#2592147 Buffalo clinches last spot

Posted by Buppy on 10 April 2015 - 09:17 PM

They're put up a good fight against the jackets but lost 2:4 Even if they win tomorrow and Arizona loses Buffalo has less rows so congratulations you are getting one of the 2 phenoms. With that pick plus the deep pockets of Pegula this is going to be a very scary team soon and their fans deserve it. Enjoy McEichel

Now that they have nothing to not play for, let's hope they come out to play tomorrow and beat the Pens. Though Boston will probably lose anyway...

#2592092 Red Wings clinch 24th consecutive Playoff appearance

Posted by Buppy on 10 April 2015 - 03:36 PM

Even nicer since the second longest streak just came to an end at 10 years.

Not only that, but now Pittsburgh is 2nd at 8 years and Boston 3rd at 7. One of them practically certain to end. Our streak is longer than the next 3 (almost 4) combined.

#2590813 % chance of making the playoffs

Posted by Buppy on 08 April 2015 - 09:04 PM



Edit : Small mistake on my side. Like us Pens only need to win one game in regulation, because of their then better ROW. But if the Pens win only in SO, we'd have the tiebreaker because the season series is 2:1 for Detroit.

Actually, since they played an odd number of games, the first home game for whichever team played 2 @ home is thrown out. So whatever that leaves. I'm too lazy to look at the schedule.

#2587092 Losing Streak affecting Babcock's Decision?

Posted by Buppy on 31 March 2015 - 04:21 PM


A poll in which he was rated as the #1 rated coach players don't want to play for... 


So i guess not a quote but still


And yes, Commodore too lol

Have a link for that?


Most recent player poll I know of is from 2012. At that time, Babs was 3rd in "coach you would most like to play for". 


#2586969 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by Buppy on 30 March 2015 - 11:38 AM

See if Mantha turns things around after next season with Grand Rapids.

Odd how it seems late picks in draft work out for us and the the first rounders it can be hit and miss; no rhyme or reason to anything really

Seems odd, but really it's not.


I forget the stats now, but the drop-off after the top handful of picks is fairly dramatic. Even mid-1st rounders are far from a sure thing. We haven't had a ton of 1sts, but I'm pretty sure we're a bit better than average for the range we pick. We're just a lot better than most when it comes to the 2nd and 3rd rounds.