When people are suggesting that Tatar and Nyquist are expendable because they have Pulkinnen, he's being over rated.
That isn't at all what I was suggesting. I suggest they are expendable because we have both Tatar AND Nyquist, as well as Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Weiss, Franzen, Sheahan, Jurco, Abdelkader, and Helm in addition to a high end prospect like Pulkkinen.
And sorry if I was unclear; I didn't mean they should be traded for a bag of air and an empty roster spot for Pulks. Obviously I would expect something of value in return. (Seems so obvious that I didn't think I would actually need to specify that.) In fact, I would expect much more in return than we could get for Pulks (or almost anyone else), which is another reason I think one of them could be a good trade asset.
Being unproven is not proof that he won't be able to produce. Making any kind of move requires some faith. Whether it be faith that a kid can produce if given the opportunity, or faith that a new guy will work with our team, or faith that someone will continue to produce.
You clearly have no faith in Pulkkinen, but that doesn't mean you're right or that those who do have enough faith in him to not want to trade him are over-rating him.
Making Mantha or Larkin off-limits is no different. Nyquist and Tatar would have much more value, possibly enough to justify the risk of not being able to replace their production. Jurco's value is probably about the same as Pulkkinen's or a bit higher. Sheahan is probably close to Nyquist/Tatar. Helm would certainly have some decent value, probably Abby as well at the moment. Weiss might even draw some interest.
Pulkkinen has a rather unique skillset in our system. One that could potentially make us a more well-rounded and dangerous team. While I don't think anyone should ever be completely off-limits, I think he is someone we should make an effort to hang on to.
Sure, if were getting a good, proven young player that can help now and in the future, and the other team demands either Mantha or Pulkkinen, maybe you do it. But he's not our only, or in my opinion, best, trade asset.
I don't buy his last two concussions were that serious to miss an entire month. Those are very serious injuries to still have symptoms that late after two plays that nobody even noticed during the game (even searching through replays). I think if he was scoring and not having a miserable time he would have returned sooner
This isn't my blind hatred for Franzen. I'm actually one of the few posters that defends him most of the time. Like a poster said here months ago when he recalled speaking with a trainer their are some guys (on every team) that like to sit on IR as much as they can, it's a very real thing. Lots of injuries are at players discretion when they feel ready. Both years he misses time right when he's been dragging his ass for weeks and not scoring. These posts are easy to flame but I think it's a very real possibility
Again, not very accurate.
While he has been going through a pretty bad slump this year, not so much last year. It had only been 5 games without a goal last year, and prior to that was his best stretch of the season. Furthermore, while the hit from Gudas last year didn't really look all that serious, he did leave the game immediately afterward. He missed a while, came back for a game, then symptoms came back and he missed another month (including sitting out of the Olympics). This year no one noticed much at first because he finished the game, but he got blindsided at center ice, stayed down for a while and had to be helped off.
Concussions are weird things. Symptoms can linger. Lilja and Eaves missed almost a year. Careers have ended. Post-concussion syndrome can last for years (or even become permanent), isn't necessarily related to the severity of the initial injury, seems to be more common in people who've had multiple concussions, may be exacerbated by stress (such as from a prolonged scoring drought)/psychological disorders, and there is no established treatment.
But yeah, he must be faking it because he's a lazy bastard. (And you can tell he's a lazy bastard because he's always faking injuries.)
I hate to say this but if anybody is likely to use concussion symptoms as an excuse to sit on IR for a little longer than he needs, it's Franzen. He takes a significant amount of time every year from a concussion. His brain would be goop if his concussions were that serious. Abby comes back from a concussion in a week cause he actually wants to play. Missing 3-4 weeks each year from a concussion would be very serious and questioning continuing to play.
It's like when Babs called out Helm for sitting on IR all the time (never said this exactly) and then he comes in and plays the next game. Most of the time injuries like tears, soreness and concussions are players discretion and some players really want to play and some don't
I don't think you hated to say that at all, if you did you might have at least tried to check your accuracy.
Prior to last season, Franzen hasn't had a concussion since the '08 playoffs, nor had he missed 3-4 weeks for anything other than the knee surgery.
I think his pace has been fine. Sure he's run out of time a few times; everyone does. Despite the limited ice time and his line generally not doing too well at establishing possession, he managed to get a fair number of shots.
Does need to get stronger and better on the boards to help with possession, but that shouldn't be his main job anyway. His job should be to get open, and everyone else's job is to hold possession and find him when he does. As much as he needs to improve, the guys he plays with also need to learn how to use him. Like most weapons, he won't be very dangerous without someone to fire him.
Smith and Kindl hardly seems like enough for Colorado to give up O'Reilly.
And I wouldn't give up Smith, Pulkkinen, and a 2nd for Myers. Sure he's big and RH, but he's not very physical, not much of a shot blocker, and his offense has pretty much declined every year. Probably get better production from Pulkkinen on the point.
Ken holland is a great gm but he was a scrap as an nhl player ... 3 games , drafted in the 12 th round .... He never really had a chance , so he's basically nathan paetsch .... Backman is a talented young defensemen who won awards and championships in his country who should of been given ice time to improve his game in North America
How's he suppose to improve sitting on his ass ? He's young and needs to play , not play once a month
Stop exaggerating. He was scratched 7 out of 25 games. He wasn't sitting for weeks at a time or playing once a month.
He wasn't mistreated, nothing was mismanaged. He gave up, that's it.
So Evans' job in the AHL > Backman's job in the AHL + his potential job at the NHL level.
Perhaps I'm underestimating the importance of a plug, who's scored zero points at the AHL. It's fantastic that Blashill feels he's got more intangibles, or brings leadership to the team, or whatever... but I think it's a very short-sighted strategy. Grand Rapids is what... 10th or 11th in the West? What exactly are they winning, and how is Brennan Evans helping? How does Backman playing in his spot hinder their "success" this season?
I admit, Backman leaving is a short-sighted move on his part. As much as he's responsible for his development, management is just as responsible, if not more. He's a suck for leaving, but I truly believe this is an example of mismanagement as well. To say that the onus is on a 22 year-old kid for leaving, what he feels to be a situation that is hindering his potential, is kind of ridiculous, IMO.
Backman's playing in the SEL and likely not coming back - that's partially on him, but there's more to it in my view. This team can't or won't move Kindl, and won't sit Brennan Evans. Both contributed to this situation.
Making a big deal over nothing.
Sproul's been scratched. Jensen's been scratched. Jurco was scratched. Glendening spent part of a year in Toledo. Ton more examples if anyone cared to look for them.
Sometimes players get scratched. That's reality. It's not like it was every game, or even long stretches of games. If he couldn't handle sitting occasionally while learning a new system and adjusting to his first season in America, then he wasn't going to make it, no matter how coddled he was.
He was a longshot to ever make the Wings (much less be a player of any impact) the day he was drafted. With the guys ahead of him, probably even more of one this year despite the promise he's shown. If he never comes back it's no great loss.
The team is not, and should not be, in the business of babying every two-bit prospect we come across.
Backman's pretty much behind Kindl, Lashoff, Ouellet, Marchenko, Jensen, Sproul (and probably Hicketts, if he were in the AHL right now); he's the lowest man on the totem pole. If Ouellet - who's already better than Kindl - isn't going to be a true regular on the parent club until next season (and even then, tell me you can't see him starting next season on the farm), I can undersand why Backman might be feeling a little disillusioned with The Process. Why should we care? Because he's an asset with good potential. We used a draft pick on him. We picked him, not the other way around. Do we want this to start becoming a thing? D prospects saying, "Y'know, I'd rather take my chances elsewhere"? Maybe the Blackhawks can afford to lose a number of very good prospects for nothing, but the Wings can't. I'm not saying Holland needs to panic because O NOES BACKMAN IS UNHAPPY, but he can't take the "OK, well, have fun in Europe. We don't need you anyway" approach. Lord knows UFAs aren't dying to play for the Wings, so prospects becoming disillusioned with our over-long Process is kind of the last thing we want right now.
He's also behind Kronwall, Ericsson, Dekeyser, Smith, Quincey, and apparently, Paetch and Evans.
If he's our 5th best prospect currently in the AHL, the chances of him ever sniffing the Wings are practically nil, whether he's playing every night or not. You can say he's a very good prospect, but don't gloss over that he's also apparently unable to win a regular spot in an AHL lineup at the moment.
Prospects wash out all the time. All over the league. 5th round picks do so much more often than not. I bet Gleason Fournier wasn't too happy that he sucked too much for the AHL, but he wasn't European so no one wrote a story about it. Did anyone here care? We feeling that loss? The pool of future NHL players is not going to say to themselves, "Hey, this one time, there was this one 5th round pick who couldn't win a regular AHL spot, and the Wings didn't go out of their way to make it easier for him. Those dicks, I'll never play there."
It's not about anyone being over-ripe, or our development process taking too long, or any unfair treatment. There are spots in GR besides Ouellet's. If Backman can't win one of those other 5, he should be unhappy with himself, not with the organization.
While my "why should we care" comment may have been flippant, and I'd certainly expect the organization to show more tact, I would much rather see them say, "Suck it up. Play better or have fun in Europe." than "Oh, sorry it's too hard for you, let me get one of these better players out of your way so you can play every day.".
Z at this point in his career wouldn't net us Hall note would be waive to top go to the Lowe gong show. Mantha, Dekeyser, Goose plus a top pick would have to be packaged in some sort
Z doesn't have a no trade, which I think is what you're trying to say...
And there's only so many roster spots, I can't imagine Edmonton would be looking for more of the same s*** they already have. I'd think they'd be looking for quality, not quantity, as well as some leadership to try to teach all the kids they have how to play.
Then again, it's Edmonton. They might be hoping to trade Hall to themselves straight-up for Hall.