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#2483308 NHL players will not participate in 2018 Olympics (Mod Post #99)

Posted by Buppy on 11 February 2014 - 03:58 AM

Again the issue is that I wright you a pay check for the two weeks while you go play an intense energy packed tournament which is most likely in some other country that has very different accommodations. You being the player return back to work tired, potentially lacking some motivation. You may also return to work with an injury that you acquired during the tournament. If so I pay to fix your injury and I pay you to sit and watch while you recover from your injuries. If you as an owner would not be pissed right off about that then there are bigger issues.

You are correct each team plays 41 home and away games regardless of it being an Olympic year. The issue is not that they play less games. The issues are that the League is taking a two week break. In many ways this break in the season does hurt the product of the NHL. It can make people "clock out" and become less interested. Say the race for a playoff spot or your team just being on a roll. It can hurt a teams chemistry. If my hockey team is on a roll and playing well the last thing I want is a two week break that has some players go to a tournament and has some players go  on a tropical vacation.  Olympic hockey has a ton of positives, but who the hell in North America is going to watch a game on a weekday at 6 am? I don't know how to make all of this more clear.


edit- The NHL is all about expansion. The NHL is trying to grow the product (the game of hockey)

  A 15 team league would for sure not be more profitable. It  would probably be the worst thing that has ever happened to the NHL, screwing up a ton of forward progress that has been made.

The checks get written regardless. Doesn't really matter when or what the player is doing at the time. Might be a minor complaint if the break causes there to be an extra pay period prior to the trade deadline (but no games to offset it), but I'm not sure if that's the case.


The injury thing should should be a non-issue. I assume we still consider this a free country, and we are generally opposed to the notion of letting our employers dictate what risks we are allowed to take in our private lives. While I might agree with the notion of owners requiring the players bear some of the liability if they were to get injured (though I'm pretty sure they already have insurance for that), I don't think there's any justification to stop them from playing. Injuries, much less serious ones, aren't really that common. It's not an unreasonable risk.


As for the loss of interest/profits from the break; do you have any data to support that? 2010 saw record revenues, and I think 2006 did as well and that was right after the lockout year. Not sure about 98 or 02, but I know in general revenues have been skyrocketting for about 20 years now.


It's disruptive and a pain in the ass from a scheduling standpoint. Big deal. It's once every four years.


This is nothing but a power play from the owners and league, because they think of the players as property. They think any minor concern they might be able to think of matters more than anything the players might want. I'd like to say it will eventually come back on them, but it probably wont. Lockout #4 will come, the owners will win again, and by the next year no one will care.

#2482613 'Detroit's Dark Horse Potential'

Posted by Buppy on 08 February 2014 - 06:47 PM


The problem is that Kronner, E and DD are NOT fine. It's not like those guys are reliable night in, night out and the other 3 are costing us. Kronwall has gone through a couple weeks of terrible play recently, E was just about the worst defender against Florida and apart from his first game back, has been shaky since his injury, and DD has shown enough times that he's still a rookie since coming back too. What's more Quincey has actually been pretty good over a few games. 

Every time I see JoesufP or Dabura bemoan the lack of a top defender after a goal against in a GDT, I wonder "how is this magical defender that we can't afford going to be able to be on the ice at the right time to fill in for whichever of our 6 defenders is going to decide to turd it up on any given night?"

They are fine. All defensemen make mistakes. All defensemen get scored on. All defensemen have occasional bad games.


Statistically, our top 3 measure up fairly well compared to the top 3 on the better defensive teams (.9 GA/G on average for the top 3 in average ice time from LA, StL, Bos, and Pit vs ours at .96 GA/G). The 4 and 5 spots, Quincey and Smith, are a significantly bigger difference (.66 vs our .97). Our bottom could use some help too (.53 vs .66).


Adding a top defenseman, especially if it was someone good enough to move Kronwall to the second unit, would certainly help tremendously. Pushing Q to the 3rd pair, with less exposure to top forwards, probably helps that unit as well.


Of course, needing a top defender (especially since we need a guy who's good at both ends) doesn't mean we have the ability to acquire one, or fit one under the cap. But that doesn't mean we wouldn't be very good if we somehow did.

#2481624 Vets over the Kids?, not any more eh Babs.

Posted by Buppy on 06 February 2014 - 02:26 AM

...I was so down on Riley after the DUI last year that I didn't think he deserved to pull on a Wings sweater - but god has he changed my mind to the point where I am the biggest Sheahan fanboy out there.

So basically... It's ok to drive drunk if you're good at hockey? :tounge2:

#2480583 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by Buppy on 03 February 2014 - 12:30 PM

We don't have the cap space to just add. Tatar and Nyquist make too little money to trade them for an upgrade at forward. The only trade that might work is packaging one of them along with one of Quincey or Kindl for an upgrade on defense. (Well, we could do the same package for a forward, but then we might have to rely on Almquist/Marchenko/Ouellet down the stretch. Also not sure anyone looking to improve their D would be interested in Quincey or Kindl.)

#2479005 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by Buppy on 30 January 2014 - 04:36 PM


No need for the reality check. I think we all understand it isn't Vanek-or-bust. I don't think he's a power forward. I don't think he plays a two-way game. I don't think he isn't mostly past his prime. I'd want him because he'd fill a hole. That hole is a big-bodied, right-handed, first-line scoring winger good for around 30 goals.


Jurco's gonna be that guy for us. (I'm the one who wants him on our first line this season.) But he's not quite there yet. In the meantime, Alfredsson will be gone, Franzen will be well on his way to 40, and Datsyuk and Zetterberg won't be getting any younger, healthier, faster, better. On top of that, Weiss is currently a question mark, and neither Nyquist nor Tatar is necessarily going to be a 30-goal scorer in the NHL. Beyond Jurco, we have Jarnkrok and Pulkkinen on the farm. Jarnkrok has a long way to go before he's an elite two-way center in the NHL, and Pulkkinen is a tiny sniper who may or may not pan out. Mantha is a long, long way off, no matter how promising he is. Frk has struggled mightily.


All of which is to say: Signing Thomas Vanek? We could do worse.


I get that he's looking to get paid. That's no secret. I get that it'll be an overpayment, because that's how these things work. That's also no secret. But we should have a lot of money coming off the books this summer. That might also include Alfredsson. And maybe Gustavsson. And maybe Kindl. And maybe a bottom-six forward. So it's not like one big signing is going to wreck us. And it's not like we'd have to give up Jurco. Vanek and Jurco aren't mutually exclusive. We could have both.

I'd be all for pursuing Vanek as a UFA, but trading for him this year is hardly feasible. Somehow I doubt they'd take Bert, Sammy, & Cleary for him, and anything else creates another hole and/or makes an already bad cap situation far worse. All for someone who may not stick around after this season.


And for the people dreaming about Faulk... I can't see why Carolina would even entertain the thought of trading him for anything less than eye-popping overpayment, except maybe straight up for Marc Staal.

#2470279 Helm has sore groin...

Posted by Buppy on 02 January 2014 - 07:30 PM


You're over the cap with no extra defenseman... what did you do with Lashoff, anyway?  And Samuelsson?

Nah, he's fine. Even with Lash. Just needs to arrange an accident for Sammy sometime before Weiss comes back. :)


Kidding aside, if we ever do get healthy, we'll likely waive Eaves and then Miller if needed.

#2416341 An open letter to the Western Conference

Posted by Buppy on 30 May 2013 - 07:22 PM



My letter, inspired by greater cynicism, would be somewhat shorter...


"Dear Western Conference,


Be back in a bit. Wish the Coyotes good luck in Quebec for us."

#2408852 Should we bring Tootoo in for game 4?

Posted by Buppy on 21 May 2013 - 10:26 AM


a bit off topic, about your signature, but I have been racking my brain, who on this team is named Andrew?

That's Miller. The one that confused me at first was James. Damn nicknames. :)


Edit: Forgot to reply to the thread...


I wouldn't play Toots, but I don't think it's a terrible idea either. I think we could afford to bench Cleary and bump Eaves up into his spot. It would give us a little more speed and physicality.

#2407622 Poster Ideas For Tonight's Game!

Posted by Buppy on 20 May 2013 - 02:13 PM


#2405878 22 Consecutive Playoff Appearances Recapped in 22 Minutes

Posted by Buppy on 16 May 2013 - 05:43 PM

Id like to see our number of playoff games and playoff series won and lost during those 22 years.

90-91 Lost 3-4, St.Louis

91-92 Beat Minnesota 4-3, lost to Chicago 0-4

92-93 Lost 3-4, Toronto

93-94 Lost 3-4, San Jose

94-95 Beat Dallas 4-1, San Jose 4-0, Chicago 4-1, Lost to New Jersey, 0-4

95-96 Beat Winnepeg 4-2, St.Louis 4-3, Lost to Colorado 2-4

96-97 Beat St.Louis 4-2, Anaheim 4-0, Colorado 4-2, Philadelphia 4-0

97-98 Beat Phoenix 4-2, St.Louis 4-2, Dallas 4-2, Washington 4-0

98-99 Beat Anaheim 4-0, Lost to Colorado, 2-4

99-00 Beat Los Angeles 4-0, Lost to Colorado, 1-4

00-01 Lost to Los Angeles, 2-4

01-02 Beat Vancouver 4-2, St.Louis 4-1, Colorado 4-3, Carolina 4-1

02-03 Lost to Anaheim, 0-4

03-04 Beat Nashville 4-2, Lost to Calgary, 2-4

05-06 Lost to Edmonton, 2-4

06-07 Beat Calgary 4-2, San Jose 4-2, Lost to Anaheim, 2-4

07-08 Beat Nashville 4-2, Colorado 4-0, Dallas 4-2, Pittsburgh 4-2

08-09 Beat Columbus 4-0, Anaheim 4-3, Chicago 4-1, Lost to Pittsburgh 3-4

09-10 Beat Phoenix 4-3, Lost to San Jose 1-4

10-11 Beat Phoenix 4-0, Lost to San Jose 3-4

11-12 Lost to Nashville 1-4

12-13 Beat Anaheim 4-3, ...

#2390122 Should I take an octopus to Dallas?

Posted by Buppy on 26 April 2013 - 10:17 AM

Good rule of thumb is always take an octopus everywhere. Better to have one and not need it than find yourself thinking, "Damn, I wish I had that octopus".

#2389339 4/25 GDT: Predators 2 @ Red Wings 5

Posted by Buppy on 25 April 2013 - 10:06 AM

A Columbus loss to Dallas partnered with a Wings win would clinch.

Also, a point tonight and a Columbus loss in regulation would put us in.

#2388379 Dekeyser Nickname Time

Posted by Buppy on 23 April 2013 - 01:57 PM


#2387440 nhl.com calls Kenny the best GM

Posted by Buppy on 21 April 2013 - 05:41 PM

But to act like we just realized this is silly. Its been that way for a while now. Remember the talk about the Devils not being able to ice a full team with the Kovulchuk deal? This "era" didn't just manifest itself yesterday. Holland is not performing. He needs to be replaced.

No one is "just realizing" anything. Acquiring top talent has always been hard, and has become even more so in the cap era. Yet you seem to think that even now a competent GM should be able to replace any that's lost, and add more to compensate for any decline from those still around, all without any drop in team performance.


When the GM you think are good now have all rebuilt their teams on the fly, without any "down" years...then you can say Holland should have done better. For now, you have nearly 100 years of NHL history telling you that your expectations aren't reasonable.

#2387380 nhl.com calls Kenny the best GM

Posted by Buppy on 21 April 2013 - 11:31 AM

More FALSEness. The Wings play with the same cap as the other teams. Its just that other teams spend money on great players and fill in the rest of the lineup with their low paid young guys. We sign a bunch of old, crappy guys and let our prospects waste away.

I believe what he was saying is that the cap takes away the advantage of spending more than most other teams. In the past we could trade away picks and prospects to acquire proven talent without having to worry about fitting them under the cap, and still go after any UFA we liked. That isn't possible anymore.


Now, we have to keep our young players, since as you say we need them to fill out the roster. Now we have to compete with a lot more teams for UFAs, and there are fewer of them to go around as well.


It's not a matter of how we're spending money; it's acquiring those "great players" in the first place.