What guys who can only do one thing well and are sub par everywhere else would you call a good player?
This is a fallacious question. Not only begging the question as to whether or not a player is actually sub-par everywhere else, but also ignoring the entire crux of the argument. My point is that it is how well a player develops that determines how successful they will be, rather than how good they are at the moment.
Even so, players like Nyquist, Tatar, Hudler, the Sedins, Ribiero, and many, many more are good players even though they don't do much besides score.
I didn't say either were average AHL players. I said they can score against AHL competition but not NHL players because of those reasons. I said that all last year when people were frothing at the mouth over Pulkkinen's shot and insisting he's going to be a 30 goal scorer, and now the same applies to Frk. One trick ponies don't work at the top level.
But you're ignoring what is by far the most important factor in determining how well a player will translate to the NHL: development. You're essentially saying that whatever a player is in the AHL is all they can ever be. But if that were even remotely true, then every decent player with even "one trick" would have scored at a high level, and any player with a full set of skills would have dominated at a level that would make Pulkkinen look like Drew Miller.
Your last sentence is just wrong. For one, it's not really accurate. A gross oversimplification. Secondly, there are and have been literally hundreds of successful "one-dimensional" players in the NHL.
Continued development and improvement is so much more important than whatever number of "tricks" you want to simplify a player down to.
NHL defenses close the gap quicker than AHL defenses, and NHL goalies close holes that AHL goalies leave wide open. That's why guys can score a ton in te minors and do nothing in the NHL. It's like college football players. Tim Tebow dominated at Florida when he was bigger and faster than college linebackers. He got to the pros and they were all as big as him or bigger and faster and he was terrible.
Only partially true. If it was only a matter of AHL defense/goaltending sucking, then every halfway decent player would score like Pulkkinen did last year. Players who do that are better than other AHL players. It's just that being better than AHL players doesn't guarantee that a player will continue to develop, or continue enough to do the same in the NHL at least. Some are at their peak already, and will flare out in the NHL, some will improve proportionately and be similar, and some are below their peak and will be even better in the NHL.
I don't know anything about this but how would it balance out over time? the top pair will always play against the top line of the other team, or as much as possible anyway. It's not like both teams just roll all 4lines equally which would have to be the case for it to even out.
A first dpair will always have a tougher matchup than a third pair will.
It balances because over time, there will be shifts where the opposing team gets their top players out against your bottom players, or vice-versa. Injuries/line-juggling move a player up/down in the lineup.
And it's not like teams have only one good player or line. A top player may have a lot more time against a specific player (like Dekeyser may play more minutes against Crosby), but if you look more of an overall picture (like Dekeyser against "good offensive players") it will be more even.
Yes, if you compare a player with a coach making a concerted effort to shelter him to a player with a coach giving them all the toughest assignments, there will be a difference (though I'd bet less than you'd think). But that's the absolute extreme.
http://war-on-ice.com/series.html will show head-to-head matchups for all games between two teams in a given season. You can use that to look at who a player played with and against to get an idea. For example:
On the actual site, you can mouse-over the squares to see actual minutes.
For the Wings, Kronwall, Ericsson, Dekeyser, and Quincey are all used about the same. Smith, Green, and Marchenko tend to be more sheltered. I'm not going to go through every bit of data for all the hundreds of players in the league, but I have to believe that if there was a big difference, it would show up in the stats.
I suspect that no matter what, people who don't like what the data says are going to dismiss it anyway.
3 goals in a month? I don't like the chances of us making the playoffs if Abby can't deflect a few or get a few empty netters playing on our only scoring line
I remember when he was sitting at 12 I was like I got this in the bag and he hasn't scored a goal in like two months
You really think we could get an elite prospect like Nichushkin for two pending UFA's and a 4th round pick? Not a chance...
Our biggest need is still on the back end and we're incredibly deep up front, so why would we trade away a couple defenseman for a young forward? If we're making such a trade, it needs to be for a young high end defensive stud, such as Trouba, Morrissey, Theadore, Werenski, etc. not a forward...
Well, no, hence why I said, "I doubt Nill would". But I wouldn't give up any more than that for him. Nichushkin is a promising player, but he's barely scored more than Jurco.
Dallas is in "win now" mode, and they already have a glut of young guys and prospects, especially on defense. I don't think they'd be interested in anything we have, unless it's a guy Nill was really high on. Players like Q and Helm are exactly what they're looking for. Players to help them defensively this year, but no commitment. Something I think a lot of people overlook is that contending teams often want rental players. But they don't need to move a player like Nichushkin to get them.
I doubt Nichushkin is really available. He might become available for a really good player, like Yandle. But what Dallas is reportedly looking for they can get for just picks and lesser prospects.
You and me bro...I've been saying it for 3 years. I am used to getting dumped on though, but I like when things work in my favor. Hudler, Franzen, Howard. Three guys that I have been piled on piled on for the last however many years. But, in the end, all is right. Hudler, gone, Franzen, gone (99%) and Howard pushed out of his starting job, probably soon to be gone. Now I just got to get rid of Helm! Although if Sheahan gets dealt, the I will be the first to admit it, we need to keep Helm for the time being, just don't give him more than $3.5M PLEASE!!!
But we can all agree ( I think we can ) that Mrazek has won the "goalie battle."
That's the fun thing about hockey. No matter how wrong you are about a player, if you just keeping saying it long enough you'll become right.
Larkin is awful and doesn't belong anywhere near the NHL.
10 mil a season for 8 years would have brought both Suter and Parise here to Detroit. We gave the 20 mil to Howard, Weiss, Ericsson, Tootoo, Samuelsson, and Cleary instead.
DeKeyser chose us. He's not a hit for Holland. Alfedsson, Green, and Richards were let go by other teams. That's the kind of UFA Kenny can land - a player who was good 4 years ago. And Kenny likes to pay them for their past accomplishments instead of current value.
Helm + Nyquist + Ouellet.
Holland is a coattail rider.
Devellano, Bowman, Andersson, and Nill are the brains. Holland got super lucky to have those 4 guys around him. Bowman and Nill are gone now, Devellano has gone senile, and Andersson is a small fish in a big, saturated pond now instead of the only fish in an uncharted pond. That's why Holland has looked so lost over the last 5 years and Dallas and Chicago are enjoying success.
Actually, the year Suter and Parise were signed we were giving Howard, Ericsson, Tootoo, and Sammy $10.4 million combined. Weiss wasn't signed until the next year. Regardless, having those two at $7.5 per until they're 40 would've been tough enough. $10 would be even moreso, and you can't even say for sure that would have been enough.
And seriously, Nyquist equivalent to Eriksson? He's barely close right now. When that trade was made Nyquist was still a prospect. 40 games played, 4 goals, 13 points. Another 2g, 5p in 18 playoff games.
That and the Kronwall thing prove just how irrational you're being.