Buppy

That's what he gets for signing a 36-yo remote. Should have promoted one of our young remotes from GR.

I'm glad Utah doesn't do this but it would be interesting to see a grizzly bear walking around on the ice...lol

Even more interesting if Grand Rapids did it.

Here is my point about tatar nyquist etc.... Untill they play everyday with the RW, we don't knpw what they can be. Now my opinion is, there is nothing special about any of those guys. As of today, we have a bunch of 4th line checkers and at best 35 point guys. Guys that can score 15 goals per year. Is that horrible? No. But it that the type of talent we need now? No. We have been losing 70 point guys and not replacing them.If you take the entire GR roster and move them up to detroit, sprinkle in the 7 or 8 keepers on our team now, what do we have? a 30 win team.

Replace 2/3rds of any team with their AHL players and few teams would do any better. Most rankings say we have a good group of prospects. I'll trust that over you.

then what about players? equipment allows for better speed, velocity, more protection while sending more of a danger to others. while goalies may have expanded their gear, skaters have expanded theirs also. I just think it's wrong to say that goalies have gotten the advantage when skaters have gotten the same treatment. especially when within the slot area, with todays velocity. it's nearly humanly impossible to save some shots within close distances at the velocity composite sticks can deliver, especially at different flex variants. 

It's impossible to stop some shots even with the velocity from old sticks. So what? It should be impossible to stop some shots. I don't think anyone is suggesting we go back to 50s-era goalie equipment, but the equipment now is getting out of hand. Needs to be reigned in a bit, like armpit webs were.

You clearly have me confussed with someone else. I am not nor have ever been a Wild fan, nor has anyone ever accussed me of being one.

The point I was making and stand by, AHL points mean nothing in regards to predicting NHL performence. This is true in every sport, it just isn't the same.

I do have a question for those that believe these guys are so good. if they are, how come none of them, not one beat out guys like Miller, eaves, cleary, Emmerton, Mursak, etc....? They were all in shape-already played 30 games or so. yet not one was able to beat any of those guys out? Not one of the guys I mentioned is signed to a big money long term contract. Most are FA's restricted or free after the year. yet, none lost their jobs. If tatar, nyquist, andersson etc are so good, then shouldn't have at least one of them won a job from that group of very limited players?

If we'd had a real training camp this year, they very well might have. Their roles aren't exactly the same either. Also, being better doesn't necessarily mean they will be more effective in their rookie seasons. In their first years, Franzen and Flip were really no more effective than Miller/Eaves/Cleary, and look at them now. Why give up guys (who wouldn't bring much of anything in trade), lessen our organizational depth, to bring up kids who aren't likely to make much, if any, difference?

I don't think anyone really expects Nyquist or Tatar to be stars, much less stars in their rookie seasons. But you don't have to be a star to be more than Emmy or Eaves.

And for the record, Hudler was, and is, a very good player. If Tatar turns out so well we should all be pretty happy. That would be a nice result from the 60th pick.

I really hope that Mule's reaction was born from his frustration with his own play this season and that the hit was just the catalyst that set him off.  Maybe it will kick him in gear.  History says no, but I can hope.

Why would he be frustrated? He's played fine this year...

Just for the sake of arguing if Tartar has something like 5 goals and a handful of assists when Sammy comes back. Who goes?

Depends on how many games, and how he gets the points.

If it's like 8 games, scoring mostly off his own skill and hard work, we'd probably try to move Eaves, either trade or slip him through waivers if we can't find one.

14 games benefitting from Datsyuk, Tots goes back to GR.

At least there was some head contact on that one...

Major penalties, or at least match, need to be reviewable. Simple solution and they aren't so common that it would cause any real disruption.

This year about everyone in the Minors is better than Cleary, and Quincey. Why are we wasting roster spots for players like them, when you have kids that can play equal and provide energy while gaining experience at the same time. The problem is Detroit is going to have to start calling up the kids because this team isn't deep anymore, now they have reasons to call them up but they are still not doing it. I know they just called up Tatar but I believe it won't be long until he is sent back down even if he plays better than Cleary.

Who in the minors is better than Quincey? As for Cleary, you only assume Tatar or Nyquist would be any better. You can only assume they will be successful at all, especially if they're put in Cleary's role.

If Tatar comes in and makes a real impact, I think we'll find a way to keep him up. If not, it's better to leave him in GR, at least until the trade deadline. You don't dump assets to make lateral moves.

In keeping with the Star Wars theme...

Stormtrooper aim

The Empire's ability to keep Death Star plans secret

Chances of keeping a hand in a light saber duel

Reliability of the Millenium Falcon's hyperdrive

Han Solo's credit rating with the Hutts

AT-AT agility

Ewok technology

Stole a couple from Euro. Several others are terrible...

Datsyuk Skywalker

Hanrik Zolo

Yodan Franzen

Wedge Valtteris

Brunner Fett

Qui-Todd Jinntuzzi

Count Danku Cleary

Darren Helmtrooper

Mikael Sarlaccsson

Darth Abdelkader

Drewbacca

CThrEavesPO

RTooDToo

Cory Leiammerton

Admiral MursAckbar

General Grievous Nyquist

Obi-Kron Wallobi

Jabba the Huskins

Emperor Brendentine, Dark Lord of the Smith / Darth Smithious

Jar-jarnthan Ericsson

Kyle QuincEwok

Lashoff Calrissian

Biggs DarkWhiter

2-1B Colaiacovo

Grand Moff Tarkindl

JimMace Howardu

Jawas Gustavsson

Riley Sheahan's decision making abilities on Halloween

"Every other Holland critic"? Really, Buppy? I expect better from you.

 

Look, we're all making this way more complicated than it needs to be, than it is.

 

I'll say it again: you lose Rafalski, Stuart, Lidstrom, you, at the very least, bring in a heavy. No way should Kronwall - Ericsson/Quincey/White/Smith/Huskins/Lashoff be our first pairing. Common sense, really. Why is it so hard to swallow/understand?

 

So many of us treat Holland as if he's utterly infallible, incapable of being in the wrong. "He mades a mistake? He dropped the ball? No, you're just a Holland critic. You're just spoiled." It's just as silly as The Holland Bashing.

 

Ken Holland is the best GM in the league. But the way he's handled our D corps (and, arguably, the team at large) lately borders, I think, on braindead. It's almost as if he really does want that first overall pick. I have no other explanation for the sheer lack of those trademark Ken Holland Smarts (see, e.g., "Lets save money and sit on it, and then do it again next season, and then do it again! OH NO, NOW WE'RE IN TROUBLE! SALO! CARLE! SUTER! HEY, Y'KNOW WHAT'S GREAT? BUILDING FROM WITHIN!)

 

It's weird. Really, really weird. (To which someone will say, "No, it's called parity/not having Nick Lidstrom/transition etc., and I need to adjust my expectations and reconcile them with Reality." To which I preemptively say: I know you, are but what am I?)

Yeah, I guess I forgot about that kid sitting outside the Joe with a box full of "heavies" and a sign saying, "Free to good home".

I'm not saying he's infallible. I'm not even saying he hasn't made mistakes. I'm saying you can't expect him to be perfect and solve every problem. No doubt you'll say you don't expect that, but in practical terms that's what all the bashing amounts to. Like it's OK for Kenny to make mistakes, so long as they don't have any negative impact on the team.

You say he's made mistakes. I say, so what, everyone does. Get over it.

The only trap is the "name me this" homework that people try to assign thoe who disagree with them, likely because it's easier to criticize someone else's point than make their own. 

 

Maybe spend less time telling me what I expect and more time making an actual point regarding Holland and the state of the current Red Wings defense.

 

Kronwall is basically our number on guy, which is a role he's never fulfilled.  Then look down the blueline.  It's a bunch of spare parts.  White is a good d-man, though it'll be interesting to see how he plays without Lids.  Plus he's a UFA at the end of this season and currently makes less then Kronwall, Quincey and Ericsson. 

 

If this collection of players were on another team, I don't think people would really be complimenting the GM on a job well done.  Just because Holland wasn't willing to give up enough for a trade or signing doesn't mean they couldn't ever have happened.

Again, I never said there was nothing that could have been done. Just that it isn't rational to expect someone to make all the right moves all the time. So he missed out on a few opportunities, and now the team is worse than it might otherwise have been. Do we really need to spend the better part of a year and a half whining about it every time there's a signing or trade around the league, or injury, or someone has a bad game, or someone we didn't get has a good game...

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On a full season expecting 5 goals and 15 assists seems more like the low end but people are saying thats aiming high?

Not "people", just me. And the question was in regard to this season. For this season I think those numbers are optimistic, though possible.

When I said those numbers would be fine for a full season, it wasn't meant as a criticism. Just trying to point out that we shouldn't be judging his value by how many points he scores.

I'm just dorky enough to love it.  More importantly, I wonder what number he will wear, he wore 96 for EV Zug and the Swiss Olympic team, I dont see them giving him Homer's old number so soon after his retirement.

At least 666 is out of the question. But if he goes with 63 (or 36) I'm checking his mother's grave for jackal remains.