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#2608074 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by Buppy on 15 May 2015 - 08:47 PM

Because he was forced to sit down with Dreger? Because he didn't know that dragging out the decision all year rather than signing an extension would add to the scrutiny? If you think his ego getting strokes isn't a big turn on for him you're nuts.

So Babcock is a primadonna because other people are more interested in him than other coaches, and even though you don't want him to come back, the amount of attention he gets annoys you so much you would rather he'd signed an extension than receive that attention? And that's why he should make an important decision on his future in less than a week.


If you're sick of the hype quit paying attention to it. You've commented more about Babcock than probably 90% of NHL fans, and likely a fair few reporters. You're part of the hype.

#2608040 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by Buppy on 15 May 2015 - 06:08 PM


I was just coming to post this.  It's Lebron 2.0.  What a primadonna.  I'm soooooo tired of this crap.  Just sign af****** contract or don't, like every other person (GM, coach, or player) does in the NHL.

Lol. Cover up Kip, your hate-on is showing.


He's been allowed to talk to other teams for a week. Carlyle, McClellen, and Bylsma have all been available longer. Hitchcock has been "reflecting" for twice as long. Why should he be in any rush. Because some nobody on forum doesn't like him? 

#2608011 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by Buppy on 15 May 2015 - 03:17 PM

We have the starting goalie taken care of in Mrazek, and there will always be free agent veteran goalies who were starters that get cast off.
Were fine in net for a long time.
We need a high ceiling/high floor defenseman

The whole point of having a prospect pool is organizational depth. So you don't pin all your hopes on one person. A lot of things could happen. He could fail to pan out. Could get injured. Could leave in a year or 4 years. But it's not about that really. You can be confident in Mrazek but still want to have some depth in the system. Right now our goalie depth is poor.


We do need a high ceiling defenseman, but we need a high ceiling center too. Both would be good first round options. Whichever has the better player will be the better option.

#2607922 DRW Free Agents / Salary Thread

Posted by Buppy on 15 May 2015 - 02:21 AM

2.45 million against the cap for the next 6 years (you half the caphit and double the years).


Not quite. He would be paid 2/3rds of his remaining salary over double the term, which works out to $1.78m/year. Then you subtract that amount from his contracted salary for each year, then subtract the result from his cap hit for each year. So his cap hit would be:

$678k the first two years, $2.68m the third, then $1.78m for three.


Still better to trade him, but not too bad really since we can probably count on the cap going up as well as having a number of cheap kids. If we wait a year, it would be $1.4, 3.4, 2.5, and 2.5. 

#2607797 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by Buppy on 14 May 2015 - 07:20 PM

Mantha, Athanasiou, Bertuzzi and Nosek are not even close to being the same type player. Mantha is anything but expendable. In fact, he had a very reasonable year production wise for a first year pro. The only reason you along with others think he is a bust after one season of pro is because of all the hype. He was overhyped from the get go. Athanasiou is exceeding expectations but I'd be willing to bet both Andreas and Anthony have similar stat lines next season in Grand Rapids.

How is drafting a center the safer bet? And why would we need a center over a defenseman? We can absolutely get a top line center or a top pair defenseman at 18. We have Larkin, Athanasiou, Sheahan, Nosek, Holmstrom, Glendening down the middle. Surely they can fill all 4 center positions for years to come. We drafted what? 6 centers in last years draft? I guarantee we focus on defense this year and our number one pick should be a defenseman.

Anyway, I'm done with this. I have my opinion, you have yours. I'll talk Griffins but enough about the draft here.

Also, I agree nyquististhefuture. Well said.

Saying those guys can fill all 4 center spots is like saying Dekeyser, Marchenko, Ouelett, Jensen, Smith, and Sproul can fill all 6 defense spots. Might turn out to be true, but very far from a sure thing.


Bert makes it 1-0! 

#2607579 Free agents this off season

Posted by Buppy on 13 May 2015 - 07:24 PM

I don't recall every calling you or anyone idiots ... If it sounded like I did then I apologize for that but I wouldn't have to bring it up if people stopped defending weiss for 2-3 yrs ... He's a bust just like the clowe and clarkson signings were

No one was defending Weiss. It was noted that he was one of the top UFAs available, in respone to Richdg trying to argue that Holland is trying to build a team solely with drafting. No comment was made regarding whether it was a good signing or not and the only comment made on his performance here was me saying he hasn't met expectations. You then responded that the people who thought he was a top UFA were idiots, and you knew all along he'd be a bust.


Fact is, no one knows s*** about the future. There were good reasons to think Weiss would be a good addition, and there were reasons to question it. Same goes for Clarkson, Clowe, Brunner, Alfie, Lecavelier, and anyone else who's ever been brought up. No one is smart for making a correct prediction nor stupid for making a wrong one. It's not like anyone was predicting anything ridiculous.


Instead of analyzing the accuracy of past predictions, let's get back on on topic and make new predictions. Otherwise we won't be able to have any stupid arguments two years from now.


Here's mine. This UFA class sucks and will be even worse come July.

#2607298 Improving our 5 on 5 play....

Posted by Buppy on 12 May 2015 - 01:31 AM

The year before this Nyquist was 3rd in the league (though a little short of 750 minutes, so had to go to 500). Zetterberg was 14th. Tatar was 40th. Datsyuk was only 80th. With a similar roster we scored almost 20 more 5v5 goals last year, despite all the injuries. Tampa Bay, also with much the same roster was significantly worse last year. There is quite a bit of year to year variance.


Fact is, Hockey is a chaotic system. A lot of it defies easy explanation. There are probably 1000 different reasons why we struggled 5v5 this year. To even begin to try to explain you'd need an in depth analysis of nearly every minute of every game. But even that, being that we're talking about humans and not machines, the best you may come up with is: at what seems a bit of an inordinate rate, somebody zigged when we needed a zag. We are not a bad offensive team. That we were much better on the PP than we were 5v5 just looks like an anomaly. Chicago struggled to score this year too. 


Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Nyquist, and Tatar are all good top 6 forwards. Abby, whatever some may think of him, performed like a good a top 6 forward this year. You'll find few teams with a 5/6 forward that's markedly better. Whether he can continue to do it I guess we'll have to wait and see. I don't see any reason to think we really need to replace him.


Franzen may not come back, and that would create a hole in the top 6. That's our only problem for now. We have some guys that might be able to step up, but none that inspire tons of confidence so adding someone might be the way to go. But I don't think anyone needed a bunch of stats and insinuations that all our forwards suck to realize that. 


And we do not "need" to replace Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Kronwall in the next 3 years. That is ludicrously unrealistic. If we can find even 1 in the next 3 years and the other 2 within 3 years after they retire it would be remarkable. 

#2607174 Free agents this off season

Posted by Buppy on 11 May 2015 - 12:03 PM


holland and many others have said they are trying to build through the draft. he has refused to trade and has failed in the UFA market. Again there is no team that has won a SC that way. Sooner or later you have to bring in outside talent. We lack stars as a team and have very few in the system that could be stars. 

Your denial of reality is hilarious.

#2606952 ECSF: Tampa Bay Crying Coopers vs. Montreal Complaining Canadiens

Posted by Buppy on 09 May 2015 - 11:17 PM


I don't think the difference between Johnson and Tatar/Nyquist was "toughness, grit, or compete level".  I think, to a large extent, it was because Tyler Johnson was on the ice a lot more than Nyquist and Tatar were.  He averaged 18:51 in ice time per game, while Tatar and Nyquist were 15:56 and 15:50 respectively. 


Also, our powerplay wasn't very good and that affected their production totals as well. 



Well if you ask most everyone else, it's the smartest possible thing to do.  Because Mike Babcock did it. 


Another thing to do, and this is probably a long shot, is to play your scorers a lot.  Press offensively.  Control the puck.  And in doing so, make the other team use their 4th line 18 minutes a night and/or render their best player ineffective with defensive assignments.  Nah...what am I saying?  That would never work. 

Well, the three games we won were the three games that Miller and Glendening played the most. :)


Smartass-ness aside, if Tatar and Nyquist weren't getting much done in the time they did have it's illogical to think they'd have done much more with a few extra shifts per game. It's not like they were playing 8 minutes. Plus, some of Johnson's TOI was on the PK. Zetterberg got 18 minutes, basically none on the PK, (more ES+PP time than Johnson) and he didn't manage much either. 

#2606904 Free agents this off season

Posted by Buppy on 09 May 2015 - 01:49 PM

There are many guys that have been moved, several of which would have helped us. Hornqvuist who is Homer 2.0 for a front of net force. Neal a classic big forward that scores. Jordan Staal a big 2 way C. This year Perron would have been an upgrade at wing. Ryan a big scoring winger. Those are just some of the guys that actually moved, not the many "rumored" guys.

Point is, there are many trades made each year for high quality players. We are not a team that makes those moves. No team in any sport wins championships based on 100% drafted players. They all sign UFA's and make trades. Table scraps are not good enough-even if those are moves we may like.

We don't have 100% drafted players, but regardless, talent is talent. Doesn't matter where it comes from. In the past two years we've added two young 25+ goal scorers, the fact that we drafted them doesn't detract from that. That we've mostly (and perhaps permanently) lost one of the scorers we'd had hurts. That and that our big UFA signing hasn't lived up to expectations. If Franzen and Weiss had been healthy and Weiss was as productive as he was in Florida, it'd be a pretty big difference.


Franzen has been as productive as Staal the past two years, and Staal was healthy for one of them. Weiss's production has been about 60% of what it was in Florida. We could have brought in Ryan (though likely at the cost of Nyquist or Tatar), and he could have gotten hurt and/or his production could have dropped (has dropped in Ottawa in fact). Hornqvist and Neal were traded for each other, and neither produced more. Lateral move. Cole is as good or better than Perron. Zidlicky isn't great, but filled a need.


Yes, there are moves made for high quality players each year, from trades, UFAs, or promoting prospects. But not necessarily by every team every year. We have made some of them. What we've added at forward is as good or better than most teams. On defense, we've missed out on a few UFAs we tried to get. That does not mean we are not a team that makes those moves, or that we're trying to win a Cup with only drafted players. It only means that a few UFA defensemen chose other teams. Sucks that it's happened a few times in a row at a time when we really need it, but that's life. It's happened to every team, and will happen to every team again.

#2606661 DRW Free Agents / Salary Thread

Posted by Buppy on 08 May 2015 - 12:14 AM

Nah, I don't think his system is designed to stifle offense. I think its designed to limit shots, no matter what that does to offense. And that's why we haven't been able to score since 2010

10-11 season we were one of the highest scoring and shooting teams in the league. 11-12 we dipped a little but were still decent. When Lidstrom left we took a nose dive, gpg starting to rebound now, though shots are still down.


7 years of Babcock and being at or near the top of the league in offense. We lose one of the best possession players of our era (maybe any era), and our offense drops 1/2 a goal per game. Shots for go down. Shots against go up. And you think it's the coach.




Babs may be a "defense first" coach, but for most of his career his teams have been near the top in shots for. Sure doesn't seem like his philosophy limits offense at all. Even 03-04 Ducks, despite not much offensive talent, were 4th in the league in shots.

#2606657 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by Buppy on 07 May 2015 - 11:37 PM

At some point you have to stop rebuilding and win. The Oulers have been doing it for what? A decade now? Are they any closer? No. We have been rebuilding for 6 years. Are we any closer? No. We are not close to being a SC team. Yes I understand that the Oilers fans would love to be us right now. But I don't care. I don't want to share the SC with anyone. I want to win it every year. I want the RW's to catch the Habs and pass them for most SC's in history. maybe i am just greedy that way. Every year there is 1 SC Champion and 29 losers.

3 years, maybe you could say 4 if you want to stretch a bit. Some might even say 2. Some might even say it's just prep work for the real rebuild that won't truly start until Pav and Hank are gone. We were still one of the best teams in the league in 09-10 and 10-11. Only slipped a little in 11-12.

#2606588 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by Buppy on 07 May 2015 - 03:00 PM

So? Every owner tells his GM to win. No surprise here. But is being in the top 53% good enough? I wonder if back 40 years ago Mr I decided I just want to have the 20th biggest pizza chain in the world. or did he decide to be the biggest? Hmmm i wonder which it was...... On top of that, do you honestly believe there is anything Holland could do right now to get fired? Nope. he is a lifer. If he decided to rebuild, he would still be here as the GM....

We are rebuilding. Half the team is 26 or under and wasn't around just a few years ago. We have a bunch more kids in the pipeline.


Most teams when rebuilding are content with missing the playoffs entirely. Doesn't mean they will always be content with that. What in the world would make you people believe that being satisfied with just making the playoffs now means the organization will never aspire to anything more?

#2606362 DRW Free Agents / Salary Thread

Posted by Buppy on 06 May 2015 - 11:54 AM



My thinking is actually not far off from most of what you said. These were depth signings that didn't really hurt us, but that's a low bar for what's considered a good signing. When you buy out a player, I think that means it was definitely a bad signing. Neither Tootoo or Coliacovo where bad here. Coliacovo only played 6 regular season games. He didn't hurt us, but that's not a signing that helped you out especially when he took up 2.5 mill for a caphit. Tootoo did his thing and changed our minds and decided that didn't fit our team. That also didn't hurt us, but I'm still not ready to call that a good signing.


White was good that 1st year and he was a bridge player, Yeah, maybe that's all we wanted him to be. Sammy for 2 years at a 3 million caphit for 30gp 1g, 3a - I don't think anyone should consider a worthwhile signing. The short term of that deal didn't hurt us all that much, but it did keep Nyquist out the lineup and/or prohibited us from signing anyone else.


Commodore didn't take #64 so he will always be considered a disappointment. 

Not saying they're good signings, I'm saying they're irrelevant. Players signed to fill the bottom of the roster rarely help the team much. People just wanted players for the top lines, so they think of those signings in those terms. 

#2606179 Kronwall in the Playoffs

Posted by Buppy on 05 May 2015 - 07:26 PM


Three seasons is enough of a sample size.  I doubt he's going to be any younger next season.  He may have been a better #1 a few years before Lidstrom retired.  Maybe not.  But at this point, what exactly is Kronwall's upside?  


25 games is 25 games, no matter how many seasons it's spread over. It's a small sample. The numbers I gave are his regular season numbers from the same 3 years. That puts him 11th (or 10th if you count Burns as a forward) in defense scoring in that span. He also plays in all situations and against the top opposition. That he hasn't had many playoff points in that time doesn't diminish that.


In the last 2 years he has 1g, 4p in 11 games. Not all that good but not really that bad either. Your stats are skewed by the one year he only managed 2p in 14g.


You could argue that we need a Norris caliber #1 on the basis that almost all the Cup winners in the last 25 years or so have had one. You can say that Kronwall is not Norris caliber. You can say Kronwall needs to produce more in the playoffs. You might even argue that he's a below average #1. But to say he's not a #1 at all is just silly.