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In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

06 August 2016 - 09:39 AM

Only 41 days until the TC prospects tournament starts, and we can argue about something of substance in 2016. Woo!

In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

25 July 2016 - 02:50 PM

I was on Twitter earlier and reminded that Hudler was asking for 4M, while the Wings were offering 3M. It's not the 2M gap we're seeing here, but it's the way arbitration always goes.

In the end, the arbiter awarded Hudler 2.875M (although, I swear I remember reading something about him accepting it before, and just going through the process, anyway). It was after his third full season in DET, and he was coming off a 57-point campaign. IIRC, people were going crazy, thinking he was going to get paid. 

Granted, the situations are different - it also happened seven years ago. Regardless, I'm expecting the award to be closer to what the Wings are offering than what Mrazek's camp is asking, if it even gets to that stage. 

In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

23 July 2016 - 12:40 PM

Someone's already mentioned it, but he's basically been used as a top-six winger out of necessity. It's a combination of his possession numbers, speed and puck-retrieving skills, as well as a lack of "qualified" candidates on the roster.

The strongest argument against Helm as a high-end third-line center is his offensive production (or lack thereof), but even then he still ranked in the top 235 forwards (playing  > = 20 games) when he played as a center from 2010-11 to 2013-14. He scored at a .39, .38 and .48 clip in three seasons (he only played in one game during the 2012-13 season). Even if you want to look at that 2013-14 season as an anomaly, scoring at a rate of .38 P/GP is still good enough for a third-line player (though, it's a bit on the low end).

Factor in his productive possession during those years (he ranked somewhere between a third/second-line center), and he steadily improved each season from 2010-11 to 2013-14.

Hell, use the eye test if you like. Yes, we all see his missed opportunities on breakways. Can anyone honestly say they don't notice Helm's speed, ability to retrieve the puck and effort on the ice, too?

My biggest gripe with Helm over the past number of years has been the way management has decided to utilized him. Playing with Pavel and Tatar, his possession spiked, but his offensive production didn't jump enough (.44 P/GP) to merit using him as a top-six winger. He basically produced the same numbers as a 3C. At the end of the day positive possession is great, but you still want it to translate into actual results (or better results, in this case).

Despite my thoughts on him as a top-six winger, just about any way you want to measure his value (during his time at the position), Darren Helm is a solid third-line center.

Edit: And by all means, if someone here is better with numbers or wants to shed some light on a mistake, feel free to jump in. This is just my interpretation when looking at his value using different tools/perspectives.

In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

22 July 2016 - 05:48 PM

I bring it up in this topic. It was a waste of a roster spot and $4M. For 5 years!

Jurco, Pulkkinen, Mantha, AA...they all deserve that roster spot over helm...Miller and ott are pegged for 4th line work, helm snatched valuable 3rd line minutes from more deserving players. Ok, if miller or ott werror not signed, then stick helm on the 4th, but definitely not at $4M. Waste of a 3rd line spot and waaaaaaY overpaid as a 4th liner. He's nothing but a 4th liner, period. PK guy sure, but 4th line pkers don't get $4M, they get $2M. If he's on the 3rd line, he's taking up a spot one of the 4 kids I mentioned.

As someone who's still unhappy with the Helm signing, the bolded portions of this are simply untrue.

I don't like the cap hit, term or way management has utilized him the past few seasons, but come on...

In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

21 July 2016 - 05:47 PM

Even if you buy into the deal in terms of value/Holland's possible desire to bring in a veteran defender, the cap implications get in the way. Franzen, Pulkkinen and Vitale on LTIR give them some space, but not enough to make room for Dekeyser, Mrazek and Streit's 5M+. It just doesn't make sense.

Most likely looking for some traffic during the offseason.