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#2624046 Moving Jimmy Howard

Posted by Jesusberg on 28 August 2015 - 08:58 PM

Everyone seems to only remember the shutouts that Mrazek got, and completely forget the very next game when he was consistently pulled. Mrazek had one good playoff series and a very inconsistent regular season, and that's not enough to give him the number 1 job and get rid of the insurance.

This. People either forget about this, or they're blinded by the "newness" of Petr. These are some save percentages he posted last season - usually a rough outing, followed by a very solid one:

.840 - .971
.813 - .933
.857 - .962
.667 - .957
.765 - .977
.895 - 1.000

Clearly, he's got the ability to bounce back after ugly games, but he's gotta work on his consistency. So yeah, I definitely agree. It's good to have another solid goalie while he develops... you know, like that Jimmy Howard guy.

#2624005 What's your roster lines ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 28 August 2015 - 01:05 PM

Trading Howard is dumb if we want to make a playoff run.  What happens if Mrazek gets injured?  Tommy McCollum would be our starting goalie. Think about that for a second. 

Uh, is someone forgetting about Jared Coreau? C'mon man, get it together. Who needs Jimmy Howard?

#2623725 What's your roster lines ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 22 August 2015 - 03:06 PM

I get Mrazek is the shiny new toy and all, but why does it seem like people want Jimmy Howard to fail? He's a Detroit Red Wing.

Anyway, I think they should split games early on, and whoever seems to have the edge after 15-20 games should play the bulk of the season. I want Mrazek to continue to progress, and I want Howard to play as the best version of himself - each of those will help to make the other possible. Mrazek's pegged to be the future starter in Detroit, but he doesn't get there without hitting some bumps in the road. It'll be nice to have a capable veteran there to help out when he does.

#2623709 What's your roster lines ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 22 August 2015 - 10:00 AM

Jurco has to pass through waivers now. No chance he'd make it to GR.

#2623590 What's your roster lines ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 20 August 2015 - 07:11 AM

Barabbas16 - short answer...all of them.


His time is over, he has no impact what-so-ever on this team anymore. None. The others bring their own intangibles that far outweigh what he will contribute to this team anymore. It's just the truth. Too bad it's going to take losing some players for free in order for most of you guys to also realize it and when it happens, we can't get any of them back.

I know you don't want to lose players for nothing, but making the argument that his contributions to this team can be outweighed by the "intengibles" of a fourth-line player...? Come on, man. Mule's consistently been Detroit's 3-5th best scorer in terms of P/GP for the past seasons. No impact? Don't get your dislike for Franzen get in the way of the facts here.

Also, related to idea of moving Quincey. Per Ansar Khan: 


This could be Quincey's final season in Detroit. His contract is up and there are younger, cheaper alternatives in the system in prospects Alexey Marchenko, Xavier Ouellet, Nick Jensen and Ryan Sproul, all of whom are out of minor-league options in 2016-17.

The Red Wings usually don't trade impending unrestricted free agents whom they feel can help them down the stretch and in the playoffs (past examples include Jiri Hudler, Mikael Samuelsson and Valtteri Filppula). But with a deep blue line and several prospects looking NHL-ready, perhaps they'll look to move Quincey mid-season.

The thought didn't occur to me when I mentioned it earlier, but this could very well be what Holland is thinking. Let KFQ start in Detroit, you know what you're getting from him. Let the defensive prospects start in GR, and see who stands out the most. When they have absolute confidence in a prospect, flip Quincey to another team (perhaps on with injury issues). Heck, even if they moved him at the trade deadline, I'd be content, if just to get some of the prospects time in Detroit and some sort of compensation for KFQ.

Edit: Also, wouldn't it be in Quincey's best interest to be traded, anyway? If he's going to be playing with Smith all year on that bottom pairing, he's not exactly doing himself any favors in a contract year. He'd be better off playing top-four minutes elsewhere, trying to make some decent money on his next deal.

#2623381 2015-16 Grand Rapids Griffins

Posted by Jesusberg on 18 August 2015 - 08:22 AM

Saw it posted in another thread and agree with the idea of there being such a thing as "too much" depth. Quincey's pretty much gone next season, but the Wings will still have six defensemen signed at the NHL level. They'll have the four defensive prospects we already discuss having to pass through waivers (XO, Marchenko, Jensen and Sproul), plus Russo chomping at the bit for one job in the NHL? Unless they're treating this season as a "one last shot" scenario for Kindl and Smith, with the intention of moving the one who impresses the least?

Internal competition is one thing; this is a clogged drain. Plus, I think the defense core in Detroit is solid enough that one of those young guys should step in ASAP. Jump into a good situation on the bottom pair and learn from there. In particular, I don't think Marchenko has anything left to prove at the AHL level.

#2623212 Abdelkader entering contract year, possible $4M extension?

Posted by Jesusberg on 16 August 2015 - 08:00 PM

So because he is from Michigan he automatically gets to cash in? I love Abby, he plays hard and is versatile, but I don't think he is worth 4 million unless he can string together. Few solid seasons.

Hate to see another bad contract....

I just don't get the mentally on paying someone on their future potential instead of their previous track record.

Not because he's from Michigan, but I'm sure it factors in for management, along with the other aspects of Abby's game that were mentioned. For what he brings, 4 million is pretty much the norm. He and Kesler are comparable in several ways - scoring, hitting, some "fancy stats". Kesler's going to be making 6.8 million starting in 2016-17. Beleskey is another guy who I think is comparable to Abdelkader. He's getting 3.8M for five seasons after scoring 20+ goals once.

If Abdelkader can replicate his 2014-15 season, he's going to get around 4 million.

#2622345 Free agents this off season

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 August 2015 - 04:11 PM

That won't happen. We'd lose him if he were on waivers. 


I think it's silly to assume that the #1 tag belongs to either one at this point. Howard has the experience and Mrazek is surely held in high regards by Blashill. Unless an injury takes one of them out or one severely under-performs, there's no reason to believe that they won't split starting time.

Exactly my train of thought on this one. I almost feel like Petr needs to look better during training camp/preseason to get the first starts, but ultimately they're going to split the first 20 games pretty evenly. Basically, I think Howard starts the first game or two of the year, but Mrazek is going to be given a chance very early and run with it. As long as Petr or Howie don't play themselves out of starts, it's going to be a balanced schedule for both guys, IMO.

#2620631 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 July 2015 - 12:30 PM


It's like when your trying to go play street hockey with the boys and your mom tells you to bring your little brother, and you cry and moan because you don't want to bring him. He's not even bad at a street ball, he's just your dorky little brother and you don't want him around.


Then one day your going to a nearby parking lot to take slapshots at parked cars and your mom says "bring your little brother with you". But your brother says he doesn't feel well. So you tell him he better stay in and get some rest and that you hope he feels better... but secretly you'd wish he'd stay sick forever. 

That's some passive-aggressive Cain and Abel stuff right there.


There will be no s*** storm, not even a fart parade when it comes to Franzen.  I do, unfortunately, understand the financial side of it and the possible ways he can hurt us more against the cap.  If he Is going to be the 13th forward and bump Andersson/Ferraro/Callahan to waivers, I would rather Holland address this issue now and try to trade to odd kids out so at least you don't lose them for nothing. The NHL is a business and I understand having to make decisions based on money first.


So, that being known, lets look at who will really be the odd men out with Franzen healthy enough to float around the ice:


WITH Franzen, they have 13 forwards signed, Jurco and Pulk would make 15 and with Callahan it makes 16. You have to think that Jurco and Pulk (barring a trade) would be the choices over Ferraro, Callahan or Andersson. So with your 14 forwards set with Jurco and Pulk rounding themout you will have to waive/trade 2 of Ferraro, Callahan and Andersson, there will nZERO room on this team if Franzen starts the season healthy.








Sure there is a chance they clear, and they wouldn't be a huge loss I guess, but I just hope that Holland has a trade up his sleeve or two of these guys because at least getting a pick would be fine.  Also, there are a few players in GR WITH exemptions left that could be called up if Franzen goes LTIR, or if there are any other injuries, that wouldn't have to clear waivers to be sent back down. I am  not even entirely sure that an injury call up has to clear waivers...


Sure the loss would be minimal, so long as it gets us some kind of compensation in return, but to lose them for ZERO return for a roll of the dice with Franzen is not a good thing.

I'll level with you - I think it would be a mistake to have Jurco or Pulkkinen on the fourth line, which is what will likely happen if Mule is healthy. Is it an ideal situation? Definitely not, but what can you do with Franzen? As others have pointed out, there's too much risk in trying to move his contract, waive him, buy him out, etc. Ken Holland signed him to this deal, and the team is stuck with him. It's not about rolling the dice with Franzen, it's about making a calculated decision and not making a situation worse. Best case scenario occurs when Mule is at full health and contributing 20+ goals. Regardless of his play, his cap hit, his term or whatever, I like guys who can score 20+ goals for this team.

Honestly, I don't think you're getting a pick for guys you may or may not lose on waivers. Personally, I like Callahan's game and I would enjoy having him on Detroit's fourth line. If it doesn't happen, it's not the end of the world, though. A healthy Franzen can make or break a playoff series - you can't say that about Mitch Callahan.

#2620623 Free agents this off season

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 July 2015 - 12:17 PM

If Detroit manages to move one of Kindl/Quincey, I would much rather that extra spot be used for prospects. I would like to see Ouellet, Marchenko and Jensen rotated into the lineup this year (don't think Sproul is ready, but we'll see how his season goes). With the money they have tied up now, plus raises due to DeKeyser, Abdelkader, Helm and Sheahan next season, I would be hesitant to sign a guy like Franson.

Edit: As much as I harp on Smith, I think he and Marchenko looked good during their brief time together last season. I would be comfortable with using that as Detroit's third pair on defense.

#2620608 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 July 2015 - 11:21 AM


When Franzen floods Detroit with sick goals that umbrella won't help you anyway.


What happened to everyone being so concerned about his health and well-being? You'd think people would be rejoicing at the sign that he may play again after how somber it was around here.

You know when an unattractive man/woman asks if they're ugly, and you tell them they're not? You tell them that they've got a great personality, and that anyone would be lucky to have them ...and then they ask you out.

I'm guessing that's kind of what the Franzen situation is like for a lot of Detroit fans.

#2620568 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 July 2015 - 06:21 AM

Ya, jimmy, but it he says he is healthy to start the season, decisions HAVE to be made then to waive players, not when he decides that he needs LTIR in Novemeber, theres the chance that some of our kids will already be claimed.  Do you want to sacrifice Pulk for Franzen's what ifs? That is all I am saying with the trade him now idea.  In no way do I want to lose any more kids to washed up vets like we have done before.

Just noticed this and Pulkkinen is not one of the guys at risk. If anything, a healthy Franzen creates a battle for the 14th forward spot between Andersson, Callahan and Ferraro. Why in the world would Holland put a guy like Pulkkinen on the chopping block before Callahan or Ferraro?

#2620377 Mitch Callahan signed 1-year - 600k

Posted by Jesusberg on 13 July 2015 - 01:43 PM

plus Jensen for two years! Both out of exemptions. Trade coming or Franzen done. Either way, glad Mitch and Nick are re-signed!

Detroit Red Wings sign defenseman Nick Jensen to two-year contract: Jenson, a 2009… http://t.co/Wq2Z7DQZy6 via @RedWingsMLive #RedWings

Jensen's not out of exemptions. He's got one more year.

2015-16: Jurco & Pulkkinen
2016-17: Frk, Jensen, Marchenko, Mrazek, Nedomlel, Ouellet, Sproul & Tvrdon
2017-18: Athanasiou, Campbell, Coreau, Mantha & Nosek
2018-19: Nastasiuk & Paterson

Games played in the NHL could change some of that, but that's where most of our guys stand right now.

#2620373 Mitch Callahan signed 1-year - 600k

Posted by Jesusberg on 13 July 2015 - 01:32 PM

I think he'll have a chance, but the team is pretty full up front. Starting the season without Datsyuk will give someone a chance, but a healthy Franzen takes up another spot. At full health, the group of forwards will look something like:






Andersson, Pulkkinen, Ferraro & Callahan

Maybe it's just me being pessimistic, but I see Andersson with the one-way contract and see it as a nod from Holland. Not saying he won't send down a guy on a one-way deal (Lashoff's on one, IIRC), but I think he'll be quicker to send down one/both of Ferraro and Callahan. I'd like to be wrong, though - I prefer either over Andersson at this point.

#2620363 Mitch Callahan signed 1-year - 600k

Posted by Jesusberg on 13 July 2015 - 11:18 AM

I know his chances of making the team are slim to none, but the thought of Callahan and Glendening on the same line, pissing off the opposition... That would be fun to watch.