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#2686298 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 25 September 2016 - 01:11 PM

If you want to make a trade to get a guy lime Trouba, you're probably going to have to include one of those guys. That shouldn't be a deal breaker. Potential second line forward for potential top pair D, or even potential top line winger if you're really hyping one of them, the top pair D is still more valuable, and there are none in Detroit's system. They have plenty of top six forwards though. You trade from an area of abundance to get something you lack.

There's a difference between saying there are limits to what I'd be comfortable giving up and saying something is a deal breaker. Obviously I'd prefer if Holland didn't have to include one of AA/Mantha/Svech, but I'm not going to condemn that trade if it happens. I understand the need for someone like Trouba. I won't go as far as to say that people are overvaluing him right now, but the lack of defenders with his kind of potential in Detroit's system is definitely boosting his value in this situation, IMO.

Considering what's at stake, they're most likely going to have to "overpay" in this case, either way. I'm not entirely sure what the Jets are looking for in return, but there are a number of other teams in a better position than the Wings to make a solid offer for Trouba. I'll be pleasantly surprised if Holland can land him.

#2683834 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 25 July 2016 - 02:50 PM

I was on Twitter earlier and reminded that Hudler was asking for 4M, while the Wings were offering 3M. It's not the 2M gap we're seeing here, but it's the way arbitration always goes.

In the end, the arbiter awarded Hudler 2.875M (although, I swear I remember reading something about him accepting it before, and just going through the process, anyway). It was after his third full season in DET, and he was coming off a 57-point campaign. IIRC, people were going crazy, thinking he was going to get paid. 

Granted, the situations are different - it also happened seven years ago. Regardless, I'm expecting the award to be closer to what the Wings are offering than what Mrazek's camp is asking, if it even gets to that stage. 

#2683602 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 21 July 2016 - 05:47 PM

Even if you buy into the deal in terms of value/Holland's possible desire to bring in a veteran defender, the cap implications get in the way. Franzen, Pulkkinen and Vitale on LTIR give them some space, but not enough to make room for Dekeyser, Mrazek and Streit's 5M+. It just doesn't make sense.

Most likely looking for some traffic during the offseason.

#2683168 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by Jesusberg on 14 July 2016 - 11:55 AM

The signing doesn't really bother me, to be honest. It's pretty much market value for a players with his role/production. Just kind of a slap in the face to everyone who's already frustrated with the logjam up front/AA and Mantha looking as if they're headed back to Grand Rapids. Glendening was already this team's fourth-line center this year, so it doesn't change much this season. Really, if Blashill decided to use Athanasiou in that role, people would complain about his low TOI, so either way...

I'm annoyed with the current roster situation, but I'm not really going to get on Holland's case until the offseason is over. Although, the longer he puts off addressing the logjam up front/needs on defense, the worse it's going to get. They want the prospects to push guys out of the top-nine, but I'm not counting on a trade magically falling into his lap when/if that happens. Holland's going to have to decide who's worth keeping and who he wants to move, and then pull the trigger on a legitimate deal. He can't just patch-up the holes anymore. The situation isn't going to resolve itself.

#2683072 Pulkkinen re-signs with a 1 year deal

Posted by Jesusberg on 13 July 2016 - 11:54 AM

I mean, what else were they going to do with him? His trade value was already low before the news regarding his injury came out. They either lose an asset for nothing, or sign him and hope he can bounce back once he's healthy.

The guy's fighting an uphill battle, though. Out 4-6 months (with a shoulder injury, no less), no training camp and a glut of forwards ahead of him on the depth chart. I've already said it about Jurco, but I think Pulkkinen has issues with timing as well. In his case, it's about getting his shot off quicker/finding open space on the ice.

Last season, he was so focused on power that he'd either bury the puck in the goaltender's chest or miss the net completely. Pretty sure he lead the team in missed shots per games played last season, which isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things (I think Z and Pavel were right behind him). However, when your game revolves around one skill/ability, you need to be able to do it well. It would help if he could add another dimension to his game, but I'm not totally sold. Honestly, I want the guy to prove me wrong.

#2683028 Tyler Bertuzzi goal.. Savage lol

Posted by Jesusberg on 12 July 2016 - 07:17 PM

Interference....you cannot purposely knock another players stick out of his hands.

It'd be different if he "lifted" the stick to steal the puck and it flew out of his hands, but he had full control of the puck, left it, knocked the stick up I need the air and continued the play. Interference would've been called.

I suppose that makes this play interference, too. Zebras missed it, and during OT no less. Stupid idiots.


Pavel did this all the time, the difference was most guys had a better grip on their stick when it happened. Players attempt it all the time when they see a guy with one hand on his stick.

Both Eriksson and Sadowy had a poor grip on their stick when it went flying. Sure, Bert's has more force on it, but it's still more of a stick lift than a slash. At the end of the day, it's more amusing than anything. It happened during a scrimmage in the month of July, and Sadowy's going to tighten his grip in the future.

I feel as if this team is stressing you out this summer. Breathe, man. Just breeeathe  :lol:

#2683003 Revisiting the 2011 Entry Draft

Posted by Jesusberg on 12 July 2016 - 04:26 PM

Where exactly is all Jurco's potential? He really can't shoot the puck at all, not a great skater and has never shown any serious playmaking skills

If Jurco is going to turn it around and be an impact player he needs to use his strength. He ha size and can do everything moderately well. The only enormous untapped potential that our coaches have misused is not using him on the shootout to restock his YouTube highlights

Sure Jurco would benefit from playing with better line mates but that's the only thing it would benefit. He just hasn't been able to make plays for two years. Throw Nyquist or Tatar on that same fourth line and theirs a huge difference. Jurco has been bad anybody can see that

I disagree with the first bolded statement - agree with the second. I haven't been all that high on Jurco for awhile, but I think he's got good hands and has worked on his speed. IMO, his biggest issue (that he has control over) is his lack of confidence. He really seems to get down on himself. If I'm remembering correctly, there have been quotes from him about not liking his role, not knowing what else he can do to get more ice time, etc. I think he still has some issues with the timing/pace of the NHL too, which is a problem. At the end of the day, he needs to push the guys in the top-nine group out of the way if he's going to succeed in Detroit.

That said, he hasn't exactly been put in a position to flourish, either. As others have mentioned, playing in a checking-line role doesn't suit him at all. I agree with Jurco needing to use his strength, though. His best bet might be to mold himself into a net-front guy. Abdelkader has his role locked down, but I;m not sold on Helm or Sheahan as NFP players. Either way, he needs to excel in some kind of role in order to gain more chances/trust from Blashill.

This draft had me really excited for a few years. I was pretty stoked about Ouellet, Tvrdon and Sproul (most of all). Kind of a bummer to see the way the situation's panned out.

#2682702 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 09 July 2016 - 11:50 AM

Ya, pretty much means Stamkos told him to jump off a cliff. Holland has ruined this franchise with his stupid contracts to players who aren't worth it:

Ericsson, Kronwall, Howard, Franzen, Helm.

I'm surprised KFQ isn't getting a 5 yr deal because he knows our system. Helm will get a NMC and KFQ will be signed before summer is over. That's Holland, search those feelings.

I wouldn't go this far - it could just be that Stamkos was considering leaving for a handful of teams, or staying put. After all, the Wings missed out on Parise and Suter because they wanted to stick together. Sure, maybe they would have changed this team, and the situation might be different had they chosen to come to Detroit. As it stands, they haven't exactly flourished in Minny, and the Wild have both guys on the books until they're 39 & 40-years-old.

That said, I hope Kenny and co. can work on this team's reputation in the next few years. The new arena is a selling point, but I think they need to prove they can contend before we can label Detroit as a "destination spot" for free agents again. Not sure how long that's going to take, but I wish Kenny would look to expedite the process a little. Even if it costs them, I'd rather see him get a little aggressive on the trade market.

In retrospect, I'm not overly upset about most of the prospects he's moved (except for Janmark), but shilling the "B" and "C" prospects within the organization for washed-up vets isn't cutting in. They have depth at forward - swing big trying to bring in a blue-chip defender. Obviously, that's easier said than done, but he needs to remodel the core of this team.

#2682386 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 06 July 2016 - 10:40 AM

I think advanced stats have their place, but they're not the be-all, end-all in determining a player's value (as some writers/bloggers suggest). My biggest issue is when they're used to ride-out a narrative regarding a specific, "sheltered" player (ie: this guy is the best player on this team, just look at this chart). Often times, the chart/graphs leave out information regarding quality of competition, quality of teammates, zone information, etc. Not to mention, Corsi and Fenwick don't account for shot quality.

They're a good indicator of success over the long haul - the more data, the better (obviously). To me, I think analytics are more useful for comparing higher-end players. Guys who are deployed against the best players and play big minutes. It gives a bit of a clearer picture, then you can kind of tinker with the other variables. Sure, you can use them to suggest that a guy might deserve more minutes, but he needs to play in those situations to figure out if he can actually thrive in that role.


TL;DR: Advanced stats don't paint the whole picture, but are still a part of it. It's all about context.

#2682305 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 July 2016 - 05:11 PM

DeKeyser filing for arbitration also opens up the second buyout window for the Red Wings.

I'd hoped they might use it remove a certain lumbering defender from roster. Nyquist filed for arbitration last offseason, and the situation got my hopes up (spoiler alert: they didn't use it last offseason, and they probably won't this one, either. If I'm coming off as a bit snarky right now, it's because I hate that the opportunity is there, but Kenny won't pull the trigger).

#2681983 Steve Ott signs 1 year, $800k deal with Detroit

Posted by Jesusberg on 02 July 2016 - 03:18 PM

I'm sorry, did they sign Ott or McCarty?

Starren McOtty

#2681959 Steve Ott signs 1 year, $800k deal with Detroit

Posted by Jesusberg on 02 July 2016 - 01:37 PM

Six pages of (mostly) hatred for a guy who:

A) Will play on the fourth line/serve as a healthy scratch.
B) Fail to crack the roster, and get demoted to the AHL.

I've never really been a fan of Ott, nor am I saying it's a good signing, but... holy overreaction. Never change, LGW.

#2680574 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 30 June 2016 - 11:17 AM

Personally, I feel as if it's kind of a crappy situation now. Obviously, a lot of us Stamkos here in Detroit, but with him off the market, the price tags of everyone else have jumped. I can't see Holland standing pat. He's got cap space to work with, and this team is playing its last season at the Joe, then going into its first season in a new building in 2017-18. Ilitch is going to want to push forward with the most competitive team he can ice.

Unfortunately, I feel like that means overpaying/giving too much term to the guys remaining on the market. I'm not an advocate for tanking, but I'd hate to sign guys like Backes or Ladd to 5-6 year deals. I'd feel a lot better about the situation if they could shed one or two of the "bad" contracts on the team, but that's highly unlikely. Seeing all of these other teams buy out their defensemen (though, they have less term on their deals) is kind of frustrating.

My guess is they go right after Nielsen, one of the "edgy" forwards (Backes, Ladd, Brouwer) and then maybe try for a gritty depth guy, depending on the prices. Meh.

#2680017 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 28 June 2016 - 10:04 PM

Per Bob Duff of the Windsor Star (who also writes for HockeyBuzz) - http://www.hockeybuz...artin/216/77857




If the Wings are the team who land Martin’s name on a contract come Friday – they are among a long list of suitors for the man who’s led the NHL in hits in each of the past six seasons – the Calgary Flames, Montreal Canadiens, New York Rangers, Toronto Maple Leafs and Los Angeles Kings are others lining up to pay Martin somewhere between $3-4 million per season, and it’s the Rangers who might hold the inside track.

*scratches out projected fourth line*

It's just a report, and I'm not sure how much Duff really knows about the situation, but that's not what you pay a guy like Martin. If that's the market for him, it's waaay too rich for my blood.

#2679960 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 28 June 2016 - 07:05 PM

Did anyone else notice that a smaller, more skilled, speedier team just demolished a bigger, tougher, grittier team in the Cup Finals? Like, embarrassed them.

We already have a fast team. We need a little more skill in key positions and we are built to win. Going to the other extreme is silly. We finally have the personnel in place to play a type of game that we know can be successful (Pittsburgh, Tampa, Chicago) and we have people clamboring to get biggest and slower. Why? Cuz big is good apparently? Tell that to San Jose, and Anaheim, and Winnipeg, and Boston. Those giants are hearing it up eh?

They also had the right guys blow up at the right time. They had a 22-year-old goaltender play out of his mind, and their "third" line was an absolute monster. The core of their team is made up of elite talent, too - can't say the same of the Red Wings.

The previous 4-5 years, teams who won the cup had a balance of size and skill (maybe not the '15 Blackhawks, so much). I don't think anyone's looking to field a team of Matt Martins. At least, that's not what I'm pushing for.