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#2683658 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 22 July 2016 - 05:37 PM

You're flat out wrong on Helm. He is not a 4th liner, he is a very good 3rd line center / winger. He may be slightly overpaid, but only by around $500K, and that's certainly not worth all the b****ing you're doing about it...

As of right now he is better in that role than all the players you mentioned, maybe with the exception of Athanasiou. Stop trying to compare Helm with Miller and Ott. They're not even close to being similar in any way, other than the team they play for and the fact that they can kill penalties. But even then there's the difference that Helm is a much better penalty killer...

#2683360 For the Kenny apologists, what Holland move would change your stance o

Posted by kickazz on 17 July 2016 - 04:51 PM

If you had the choice between Howard, Malcolm Subban, Niemi, Riemer, Neuvirth, Fleury, Bishop, Miller, Hammond, Varlymov (as that article guesses) would you chose Howard? I don't see it happening, especially with his caphit - though Vegas probably won't have any really big contracts so they won't really have to worry about that.

To be honest, I'd pick Bishop or Varlamov first and then Howard as top 3 choices. Riemer is not very good, Fleury is good but sort of a choker and Miller is going to be 38 by the team expansion draft hits. 


But I get a feeling if Bishop is not going to be a Lightning it will be a trade (a Vezina finalist, I'd assume Stevie is going to want something for this guy). So the next two best goalies on the list to me would be Varlamov and Howard. 


Howard has the better playoff experience. It really is a toss up. The other thing is that the Vegas team will likely want to hit the cap floor. No team is going to give away their expensive superstar contracts. Goalies will likely be their best way to reach cap floor. 


Also, Howard's contract is only till 2019 so they would get him for about 2 years and the 2nd goalie they pick up could be someone like Subban (basically could be their future goalie). 

#2683034 Who should get A?

Posted by Internet.Unknown on 12 July 2016 - 08:47 PM

Hope you guys (krsmith and Jesusberg) are right. That pic of Larkin at the alumni game in Leafs attire haunts me.

#2683025 Tyler Bertuzzi goal.. Savage lol

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 12 July 2016 - 07:12 PM

I for one loved it!!  Love Lil Bert.

#2683021 Tyler Bertuzzi goal.. Savage lol

Posted by krsmith17 on 12 July 2016 - 06:41 PM

I don't believe that would have been called any sort of penalty on Bert. It wasn't slashing nor was it any sort of interference in my opinion. Datsyuk was known for that move (maybe not with quite as much force), one on one with a defender, move the puck one way while batting the stick away, all in one motion. In my opinion, that's all Bertuzzi did on that play, and because he was one on one against a forward (Sadowy), he made him look foolish. Bottom line, the player in that situation needs to hold on to his stick...

#2683023 Tyler Bertuzzi goal.. Savage lol

Posted by krsmith17 on 12 July 2016 - 06:54 PM

That isn't even close to the same as moving a stick laying on the ice... If you watch the video again, he swiped the stick away, there was no slashing down motion. It's on Sadowy for not holding on to his stick... "No penalty on the play. We have a good hockey goal"...

#2683011 Who should get A?

Posted by krsmith17 on 12 July 2016 - 04:43 PM

I don't think there's any way Larkin would bolt for the Leafs. He was a fan of both the Maple Leafs and Red Wings growing up. His father was a Leafs fan and his grandfather was a Wings fan (or vice-versa), and he got drafted by one of his favorite teams in his hometown. I just don't see him ever playing for another team, especially one of our biggest rivals... My bet is he eventually becomes the captain and plays his entire career here and becomes an icon to the city and organization, much like Yzerman...

#2682956 Revisiting the 2011 Entry Draft

Posted by krsmith17 on 12 July 2016 - 09:00 AM

Jurco is a prime example of player mismanagement... All the potential in the world and the skills to reach that potential but never put in a position to succeed. I still believe he was brought up to the NHL too quickly and it stunted his growth. If he were seasoned for a year or two longer, I think it would have gone a long way in his development and we would have a completely different player today... Because he was brought up too early, he has struggled and his numbers have been very underwhelming, he'll be lucky if he makes the roster as the 13th forward...


Sproul, I also believe has been mismanaged, but for the opposite reason... He was given plenty (too much) time to season in Grand Rapids, and I think he should have been given more than that one game a couple years ago against St. Louis. He looked very good in that game, and there's no reason he couldn't have been given another look in the past two full seasons in all that time that Marchenko and Ouellet were being called up and sent down... I've always been more impressed with Sproul but especially since he's cleaned up his defensive game. If Holland doesn't figure out this log jam and we end up losing Ouellet, Sproul or even Frk for nothing, I'll be pretty pissed...

#2682982 Revisiting the 2011 Entry Draft

Posted by DickieDunn on 12 July 2016 - 01:40 PM

Jurco's problem is Blashcock pounding a square peg into a round hole. He's a skilled player being told to play like a plug.

#2682778 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 10 July 2016 - 09:14 AM

Zero chance Sadowy plays in Detroit this season, and I'd even doubt the following season. It's not going to be between him and Mantha, it would be between him and Bertuzzi and Bert would get the call before him in my opinion. Sadowy was a great pick up for us, but I don't see him as anything more than a bottom 6 winger at the NHL level. Same goes for Bertuzzi. Mantha will remain in Grand Rapids until a scoring line spot opens up...

#2682705 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kickazz on 09 July 2016 - 12:01 PM

I don't get what the point of discussion here is. 


Stamkos wasn't coming here regardless. He didn't even show interest to us or anyone else. The guy wants a Stanley cup not money. He could have easily made more in Toronto with endorsement deals. 


Best shot of a cup for him is Tampa. Truthfully I think we can all agree he made the smartest decision. 

#2682377 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 06 July 2016 - 10:09 AM

The problem with advanced stats is they don't always take into account the sheltered minutes some people play.

#2679940 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by marcaractac on 28 June 2016 - 06:31 PM

I guess it depends on your definition, but I think this team has four bottom-six forwards based on a (loose) comparison to Martin: Glendening, Miller, Sheahan and Athanasiou. Obviously, the latter two have more skill. If anything, I think the Red Wings have too many fringe NHL forwards. Guys who basically walk that line between "complimentary offensive winger who needs to play with superior talent" and "AHL-caliber talent".

I would have taken Martin over Miller as well, but part of the problem with this team (and Blashill has admitted it) is that too many guys were unsure about their roles last season. You need a player to know what his role is on the team and commit to it. For example, Jurco is a guy on the fourth-line who thinks he should be in an offensive role (I'm not trying to pick on him, I just think he's the best example on this team). If your bottom-six/fourth-line guys know who they are, so do the guys above them. The line combinations and TOI were a mess last year, and I think clearly-defined roles would help to fix that up. Part of that means Blashill needs to stop his love affair with Glendening (why does it change L.G.D. to disney.com?) and commit to playing the skilled players more often.


Embrace the disney.com

#2679906 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 28 June 2016 - 05:31 PM

Thanks for the clarification.
I can live with Stamkos, Lucic and Martin...


Adding a superstar, and two big nasty canadians.... I just can't see it :lol: But 2 of 3 would be fantastic.

#2679879 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by F.Michael on 28 June 2016 - 03:21 PM

Whether we like it or not we absolutely have to sign a center. If Stamkos says "no thanks" Nielson is the next best option. Nielson + Ladd/Lucic/Okposo + Brower/Martin would fill a lot of holes. If we don't sign Helm we have enough room to add 3 of the above names.

To be honest - if we're that desperate for a center - I'd rather promote from within if we don't land Stamkos rather than sign a ufa that'll want 5 plus years, and he's on the opposite side of 30.