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#2620631 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 July 2015 - 12:30 PM

 

It's like when your trying to go play street hockey with the boys and your mom tells you to bring your little brother, and you cry and moan because you don't want to bring him. He's not even bad at a street ball, he's just your dorky little brother and you don't want him around.

 

Then one day your going to a nearby parking lot to take slapshots at parked cars and your mom says "bring your little brother with you". But your brother says he doesn't feel well. So you tell him he better stay in and get some rest and that you hope he feels better... but secretly you'd wish he'd stay sick forever. 


That's some passive-aggressive Cain and Abel stuff right there.

 

There will be no s*** storm, not even a fart parade when it comes to Franzen.  I do, unfortunately, understand the financial side of it and the possible ways he can hurt us more against the cap.  If he Is going to be the 13th forward and bump Andersson/Ferraro/Callahan to waivers, I would rather Holland address this issue now and try to trade to odd kids out so at least you don't lose them for nothing. The NHL is a business and I understand having to make decisions based on money first.

 

So, that being known, lets look at who will really be the odd men out with Franzen healthy enough to float around the ice:

 

WITH Franzen, they have 13 forwards signed, Jurco and Pulk would make 15 and with Callahan it makes 16. You have to think that Jurco and Pulk (barring a trade) would be the choices over Ferraro, Callahan or Andersson. So with your 14 forwards set with Jurco and Pulk rounding themout you will have to waive/trade 2 of Ferraro, Callahan and Andersson, there will nZERO room on this team if Franzen starts the season healthy.

 

Tatar-Datsyuk-Abby

Nyquist-Richards-Zetterberg

Jurco-SHeahan-Pulk

Miller-Glendening-Helm

Franzen/Ferraro

 

Sure there is a chance they clear, and they wouldn't be a huge loss I guess, but I just hope that Holland has a trade up his sleeve or two of these guys because at least getting a pick would be fine.  Also, there are a few players in GR WITH exemptions left that could be called up if Franzen goes LTIR, or if there are any other injuries, that wouldn't have to clear waivers to be sent back down. I am  not even entirely sure that an injury call up has to clear waivers...

 

Sure the loss would be minimal, so long as it gets us some kind of compensation in return, but to lose them for ZERO return for a roll of the dice with Franzen is not a good thing.


I'll level with you - I think it would be a mistake to have Jurco or Pulkkinen on the fourth line, which is what will likely happen if Mule is healthy. Is it an ideal situation? Definitely not, but what can you do with Franzen? As others have pointed out, there's too much risk in trying to move his contract, waive him, buy him out, etc. Ken Holland signed him to this deal, and the team is stuck with him. It's not about rolling the dice with Franzen, it's about making a calculated decision and not making a situation worse. Best case scenario occurs when Mule is at full health and contributing 20+ goals. Regardless of his play, his cap hit, his term or whatever, I like guys who can score 20+ goals for this team.

Honestly, I don't think you're getting a pick for guys you may or may not lose on waivers. Personally, I like Callahan's game and I would enjoy having him on Detroit's fourth line. If it doesn't happen, it's not the end of the world, though. A healthy Franzen can make or break a playoff series - you can't say that about Mitch Callahan.




#2620623 Free agents this off season

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 July 2015 - 12:17 PM

If Detroit manages to move one of Kindl/Quincey, I would much rather that extra spot be used for prospects. I would like to see Ouellet, Marchenko and Jensen rotated into the lineup this year (don't think Sproul is ready, but we'll see how his season goes). With the money they have tied up now, plus raises due to DeKeyser, Abdelkader, Helm and Sheahan next season, I would be hesitant to sign a guy like Franson.

Edit: As much as I harp on Smith, I think he and Marchenko looked good during their brief time together last season. I would be comfortable with using that as Detroit's third pair on defense.




#2620608 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 July 2015 - 11:21 AM

 

When Franzen floods Detroit with sick goals that umbrella won't help you anyway.

 

What happened to everyone being so concerned about his health and well-being? You'd think people would be rejoicing at the sign that he may play again after how somber it was around here.


You know when an unattractive man/woman asks if they're ugly, and you tell them they're not? You tell them that they've got a great personality, and that anyone would be lucky to have them ...and then they ask you out.

I'm guessing that's kind of what the Franzen situation is like for a lot of Detroit fans.




#2620568 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 July 2015 - 06:21 AM

Ya, jimmy, but it he says he is healthy to start the season, decisions HAVE to be made then to waive players, not when he decides that he needs LTIR in Novemeber, theres the chance that some of our kids will already be claimed.  Do you want to sacrifice Pulk for Franzen's what ifs? That is all I am saying with the trade him now idea.  In no way do I want to lose any more kids to washed up vets like we have done before.


Just noticed this and Pulkkinen is not one of the guys at risk. If anything, a healthy Franzen creates a battle for the 14th forward spot between Andersson, Callahan and Ferraro. Why in the world would Holland put a guy like Pulkkinen on the chopping block before Callahan or Ferraro?




#2620377 Mitch Callahan signed 1-year - 600k

Posted by Jesusberg on 13 July 2015 - 01:43 PM

plus Jensen for two years! Both out of exemptions. Trade coming or Franzen done. Either way, glad Mitch and Nick are re-signed!


Detroit Red Wings sign defenseman Nick Jensen to two-year contract: Jenson, a 2009… http://t.co/Wq2Z7DQZy6 via @RedWingsMLive #RedWings

Jensen's not out of exemptions. He's got one more year.

2015-16: Jurco & Pulkkinen
2016-17: Frk, Jensen, Marchenko, Mrazek, Nedomlel, Ouellet, Sproul & Tvrdon
2017-18: Athanasiou, Campbell, Coreau, Mantha & Nosek
2018-19: Nastasiuk & Paterson

Games played in the NHL could change some of that, but that's where most of our guys stand right now.




#2620373 Mitch Callahan signed 1-year - 600k

Posted by Jesusberg on 13 July 2015 - 01:32 PM

I think he'll have a chance, but the team is pretty full up front. Starting the season without Datsyuk will give someone a chance, but a healthy Franzen takes up another spot. At full health, the group of forwards will look something like:

 

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Abdelkader

Tatar-Richards-Nyquist

Franzen-Sheahan-Helm

Miller-Glendening-Jurco

Andersson, Pulkkinen, Ferraro & Callahan

Maybe it's just me being pessimistic, but I see Andersson with the one-way contract and see it as a nod from Holland. Not saying he won't send down a guy on a one-way deal (Lashoff's on one, IIRC), but I think he'll be quicker to send down one/both of Ferraro and Callahan. I'd like to be wrong, though - I prefer either over Andersson at this point.




#2620363 Mitch Callahan signed 1-year - 600k

Posted by Jesusberg on 13 July 2015 - 11:18 AM

I know his chances of making the team are slim to none, but the thought of Callahan and Glendening on the same line, pissing off the opposition... That would be fun to watch.




#2620356 Hoggan, Paetsch, and Grant resigned...

Posted by Jesusberg on 13 July 2015 - 08:33 AM

Of all the vets on the team, I believe that Paetsch is just as, or more important than any of them, including captain Hoggan and top point producer Miele. As long as the whole gambling thing doesn't effect him playing next season, and it isn't a distraction for him or the team, he will be a very important part of the team once again. We have lots of veteran leadership up front, we definitely need some on the back end, Paetsch is a perfect fit. I hope he is paired back with Sproul again and he can really get him going this season. I still have high hopes for Sproul, but he hasn't quite figured out how to defend at the pro level yet. I'm hoping Paetsch can really help him in that regard.


Definitely agree with this. While it looks like Holland will have to make a move in Detroit (possibly Quincey or Kindl, allowing one of the ``kids`` to make the team, right now the defense down in GR looks something like:

Ouellet-Marchenko
Lashoff-Jensen
Paetsch-Sproul

That`s a pretty solid group right there.




#2619065 Depth chart for RW/Griffins

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 July 2015 - 08:45 AM

 

You're not getting it!

 

Kindl sucking + Smith sucking = trade Quincey


I don't think people are saying that? It's more like... "Blashill says he's going to give Kindl and Smith a chance to play 'their' game in Detroit." I guess it depends on what you think KH has in mind. Is it going for it? If he is, he'll keep these seven defenders on the team. If he doesn't think this team can compete for the cup, he may very well have the mentality of, "well let's see what we have in these prospects" and allow them to rotate into that bottom pairing. It seemed as if that was his mentality a week ago.

Holland went on about the youth movement prior to signing Green and Richards - how these guys need to play in the NHL. Was most likely posturing, but I'm sure he feels the "kids" need to play soon, too.

It's not "Ugh, move Quincey, he's ****." It's more like the guy has one year left on his deal, after playing well all year. His is an easy contract to move to a team that thinks they need a solid LH shot. This team isn't moving Ericsson's albatross of a deal, and Blash is on record saying that he wants to give Kindl and Smith a shot. It's more like, "this move can be made to make room for a younger roster player."

The bottom line is that I think people are taking everything Holland and Blashill say as gospel, when really anything can change on any given day. Personally, I would like to see a spot on that bottom pairing used to rotate guys like Jensen, Marchenko and Ouellet into the lineup, but it's not the end of the day if it doesn't happen. Though, if this team isn't a cup contender, then why keep Quincey? Guess it depends on your perspective, really.




#2618929 #73 OA - Defenseman Vili Saarijarvi

Posted by Jesusberg on 03 July 2015 - 05:36 PM

Take it for what it's worth, but I noticed a number of favorable mentions regarding Saarijarvi and his play during today's camp on Twitter earlier today. Malik did a write-up on him, too.

 

 

So the Wings signed Vili Saarijarvi at the development camp.

Should they have done so?

Well, first and foremost, it's to control his playing future, and second, despite the fact that he's 5'10," not 5'9," and about 175 pounds...

Yeah. Yeah they should have, and I'm glad they did. Even on first glance, he's fleet-of-foot, he's got great positioning, his PACE is at pro level, not USHL level, and he looked better than anybody not named Dylan Larkin out there today. Saarijarvi can pass on the fly and pass where he wants the puck to go, not just where the puck should be when he's making the pass, his shot is hard and he has no problems whatsoever dealing with bumps and grinding. He reminded me of Joe Hicketts last summer, except that Saarijarvi has far better offensive skills, and again, that PACE is something that only stands out if you're really damn good. I was that impressed with him.




#2618717 Depth chart for RW/Griffins

Posted by Jesusberg on 02 July 2015 - 12:54 PM

Svech is going back to Cape Breton unless he makes the wings, can't play in the ahl yet.

This. Don't think Turgeon will be playing in GR., either. Prob back to the Winterhawks.

Also, I imagine they bring back Hoggan and Aubry. They like their vets, and Aubry was qualified, if I'm not mistaken. I don't really see Nastasiuk in their top-six either, but I suppose we'll have to see.




#2618713 Red Wings sign D Mike Green (3-years, $18-million)

Posted by Jesusberg on 02 July 2015 - 12:39 PM

Really like the signing - just what the team needs. Solid top-four there.

Kronwall-Ericsson
DeKeyser-Green

Saw that Kenny was talking about moving someone. First inclination is to move Kindl, but if there aren't any takers, maybe they can ship off Quincey. He had a solid season, and there might be more teams willing to take a shot with him. Smith-Quincey just doesn't work as a pairing, and I'd like to see one of the RH shots down in GR used on this team. Smith-Marchenko looked solid in their short time together - think they'd be a decent bottom pair. I'd also like to see Jensen get a look there, too.

Kindl is what he is, but I'd rather leave 2.4 sitting on the bench than a prospect or 2.75 of Smith. Maybe they can flip KFQ for a pick or two.




#2617835 Weiss bought out (confirmed)

Posted by Jesusberg on 01 July 2015 - 09:11 AM

As much as Weiss was a bust here, Babcock didn't do him any favors by burying him. Weiss would have stretches of solid play, then somehow wind up in the 4th line, RW position. I can get behind the idea that Weiss being put on the wing was the give him less responsibility, but when he put up some points, he was rewarded with a demotion.

Always got the vibe that Babcock didn't like the way Weiss competed (didn't compete) for the puck. Cared more about how the player played, and not the result of his play. Same with Kindl, IMO.




#2613324 Report: Cleary wants to return for 1 more season

Posted by Jesusberg on 06 June 2015 - 02:13 PM

I don't hate Dan Cleary, but he's starting to remind me of that guy who just sort of invites himself to everything.




#2608362 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by Jesusberg on 18 May 2015 - 02:02 PM

I'm actually kind of torn at this point. I'm also tired of seeing some of the line combinations and the way some players are being used under Babcock. At the same time, it's hard to deny that he's got a way to get more out of his players than you'd expect.

I'm leaning toward a fresh approach with this team, but I'm not going to be ticked if Babcock re-signs.