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#2548649 Lines Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 12 November 2014 - 12:57 PM



Well we might as well discuss trading for Edler now too.


Did his off season training include an ambidexterity routine? ;)

As far as the actual lines are concerned, the growing trend of "insert scrub on line with star players" is here to stay. I truly feel as if the days of true top lines is being weeded out. There are a few right now - Kunitz-Crosby-Hornqvist, Forsberg-Ribiero-Neal, Benn-Spezza-Seguin (before Spezza was moved back to 2C).

Other teams, especially ones who are scrambling for offense, are mixing and matching. San Jose's throwing Wingels on lines with Marleau-Couture, Thornton-Pavelski, Patty Maroon and Smith-Pelly have both been used with Getzlaf-Perry. Last night, Washington used Ovie-Backstrom-Beagle, so it's not like this is a Red Wings thing.

Seems to me like we're seeing more 2nd and 3rd lines shine (with pure offensive talent, using younger players) - Pearson-Carter-Toffoli, Schwartz-Lehtera-Tarasenko, Palat-Johnson-Kucherov. Teams are kind of canceling those top lines out, and hoping the secondary scoring can come through. Not saying it's the best way to go, but it seems to be what's happening now in the NHL - seeking offense from young players on lower lines. If Detroit can get guys like Tatar, Jurco, etc going, I see the offense kicking in. I'm of the opinion that it may be time to send Jurco down for a bit, and call Pulkkinen up and play him on that 3rd line.

#2548058 Lines Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 08 November 2014 - 04:46 PM

Troubling part of that update says Quincey is in but not sure whoes sitting. Really? Is Kindl going to sit? Not likely, Dekeyser? No chance, Kronwall or Ericsson? Probs not. That would leave Smith or Lashoff. Smith plays 20 a night has developed great chemistry with Dekeyser but I could see Babs sitting Smith. Would be outlandish considering the minutes he's chewing up right now, but not at all surprising to me anyways.


I think it's obviously Lash. He's played solid, but Quincey is better. The rest have or are establishing more value to the team.

#2546972 GDT 11/5/14--Wings @ Rangers

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 November 2014 - 06:37 PM

There's a new player in the world of game day threads.

Cleary with the hattie. Every. Day. Playa.


#2546539 Lines Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 04 November 2014 - 11:59 AM

Don't worry. Mule should be good for at least 5 tonight. The game is in Ottawa after all.

Fixed ;)


I'm OK with Franzen being on the 3rd line. Makes sense to balance things out, and if it doesn't work, they can always swap Nyquist for Jurco and turn it back into the 2nd line.

#2546389 11/2 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Sabres 3 (SO)

Posted by Jesusberg on 03 November 2014 - 11:02 AM

Detroit was outplayed in the first 2 periods, they were soft on the puck, yada, yada. That's all fine and dandy - they lost. What's ridiculous is how the team is constantly being called for goalie interference based on reputation.



"I was talking to the ref a couple times during the game and he said, he told me, 'I know he's standing in the crease so whenever they're going to score a goal I'm going to disallow it,'" Neuvirth said. "I was glad he actually did it."


That's just wrong to me. A referee should be calling what he sees, not what he thinks he sees/he's going to see. "They were in the crease earlier, so when they score... nooope."

It's what happened with Glendening the other night - Detroit has a reputation for being in front of the net/in the crease. It's great that Babs and co. are at peace with it, but I've seen that goal or one similar counted several times this year. The reputation calls need to end. All I want is consistency throughout the league, but that's too much to ask for, apparently.

#2545585 10/29 GDT - Red Wings 4 @ Capitals 2

Posted by Jesusberg on 30 October 2014 - 01:42 PM



I wasn't really talking about Nestrasil being compared to Franzen, or Nyquist. Just the casual "why is Nestrasil in the lineup" comments that pop up pretty often. Or saying we should waive him, when Jurco is not impressing at all and we can send him down. 


Nestrasil is very new to the NHL. If he is starting out on this level and can add a bit of confidence when it comes to his offensive game, he will be a very solid player. He's not a defensive liability at all and he seems to be just quietly doing a good job regardless of situation. I can understand why he's not impressive to a lot of people, but he's been solid and he has earned the icetime he's getting. 



Trotz gave a lot of credit to the Wings and most of all Dats and Z. He knows them well from his time in Nashville. 


I actually agree with sending Jurco down. I was thinking that before the season even began when there was the Alfie vs. Jurco debate. I actually think krsmith was in agreement then, too.

I think Jurco being in the AHL could spark his play and the Griffins' offense.

Also, nice to see Trotz give Detroit the nod. Lot of mutual respect between both coaches.

#2545543 10/29 GDT - Red Wings 4 @ Capitals 2

Posted by Jesusberg on 30 October 2014 - 10:38 AM

Yeah, it's not an anti-Nestrasil thing, but when you've got the guy compared to one of your better goal scorers on the team... I don't get going after Mule every chance possible. When he's coasting and playing below his ability, sure, but why dog him when he's playing well? The guy is making less than four million, and when you compare him to other people being paid about that much, it's worth the cold streaks he goes through. He's started the year off with five points in four games. Let it go.

#2544176 Lines Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 24 October 2014 - 09:35 AM

I don't want Stewart. He is massively overpaid in my opinion...


With everyone healthy (hopefully on Saturday against Philadelphia) we "should" have a decent lineup...


Nyquist - Zetterberg - Franzen

Tatar - Dastyuk - Jurco

Helm - Weiss - Sheahan

Miller - Glendening - Abdelkader

Andersson / Cleary


Nestrasil is sent down and clears


Kronwall - Ericsson

DeKeyser - Smith

Quincey - Kindl (Ouellet)


If I know Mike Babcock, (I don't, but we can pretend for right now) he'll wind up going with something like this:


Weiss, Cleary

Also, can writing "Kindl (Ouellet)" become a thing around here? Just leave XO's name in parentheses every time Kindl is mentioned  :lol:

#2543567 Myers close to become a wing?

Posted by Jesusberg on 23 October 2014 - 06:38 PM

Regarding the center prospects, yea its a problem. But right now we have NHL centermen. We don't have a single right shooting offensive defenceman, a fact that Babcock has bemoaned for years. We do have an overabundance of dman prospects that look like they will for sure be NHL players someday, but not right now. We will have to trade at least one of them in the next two years or so because there simply isn't enough roster space for all of them. Why don't we trade our highly promising center prospect to address an urgent need now, and then use our highly promising defenceman prospects to address a POTENTIAL need later?


From my perspective, I don't see Myers putting Detroit over the top in the next two years - maybe that's just me. Around that time, Sproul and Jensen should be on this team. I'm not sure the ceiling between Sproul and Myers is that far apart.

I agree that this team is going to have too many NHL caliber defenders (hopefully), and I think one or more should be packaged, but with a winger - not a center. Again, in terms of relative value, I feel as if Larkin is worth more to this team. I don't think you move two of Ouellet, Sproul, Backman, Marchenko and/or Jensen and get someone like Larkin back.

IMO, it would be poor asset management if Holland moved Larkin today, hoping that he can move one or more of those guys down the road for another center. Perhaps if this team was in a better position to win a cup, and Myers was a for-sure impact defender, I'd make the move. At this point, I think Larkin's perceived value to this team is greater than Myers' immediate value. Just my take on it.

#2543555 Myers close to become a wing?

Posted by Jesusberg on 23 October 2014 - 05:11 PM

I don't think anyone is saying he's worthless... I'll speak for myself and say that he definitely is not worth that deal in my books.

This. In terms of objective value, it's probably not that far off, but with respect to the Red Wings' talent pool they need to keep all of the promising young centers they can. Outside of Datsyuk and Z, you hope that Sheahan has 2C upside, but after the it's kind of grim looking. Hopefully, one of Janmark, Athanasiou or Nosek can pan out, but I wouldn't want to ride on that. At wing we have Nyquist, Tatar, Mantha, Jurco, Pulkinen - on defense Ouellet, Sproul, Backman and Marchenko. Those all seem like more surefire bets to me than the aforementioned centers. I just don't think the team should deal from an area of weakness.

#2542693 Lightning's Hedman out 4-6 weeks with broken finger

Posted by Jesusberg on 20 October 2014 - 05:43 PM

No one's suggested it yet!?

*mumbles out of side of mouth*

Hey Stevie,

Greeeat deal on a Czech defender. Fantastic partner for Andrej Sustr. He'd be like an older brother to him.

...what do you mean "salary cap restraints?"... no, just do it. Do it.

#2542495 Weiss

Posted by Jesusberg on 19 October 2014 - 01:23 PM

Even just 5 games in, it's getting tough for me to see where Weiss is going to slip into the line-up, barring any injuries. 1st and 4th lines are performing very well, The Kid line just looks snakebitten, but they're getting chances. 3rd line could use a boost, at times. Nestrasil shows flashes on one play, then shows some growing pains the next, IMO. I wonder about Helm's health... he seems a step off to me right now. Really, once Datsyuk gets back, I have no idea where and when Weiss gets to jump in.

Having Joker as the 4th line RW has allowed him to slot into C on the 2nd PK unit, which as a whole, has been fantastic. I had very low expectations for Andersson, but I have to admit, he looks much faster and is doing some solid work on the 4th line and PK.

#2540953 Myers close to become a wing?

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 October 2014 - 07:36 PM




First off I would like to say that I am in no way starting a fight or crapping on your opinions, but I would sincerely like to know how you assess Tatar to "top out" at a 50-60 point scorer.  Was it from his one full season in the NHL?


To put it in perspective:


Datsyuk' stats from his first season were 70GP 11-24-35


Tatar's stats were 73GP 19-20-39


Those stats are pretty similar, and I'm pretty sure no one thought Datsyuk would turn out to be our franchise center and arguably one of the most talented/innovative payers in the game.  I am not comparing the two in skill, but my point remains.  I know it feels like we've been talking about Tats forever, but last season was the first time he suited up for over 20 games and, honestly, he was pretty impressive IMO.  I'd say give it another full season (or two) before we cap him off as a second line winger.   


I'm not saying that its not a realistic assessment or that it won't turn out that way, but I don't feel like there's really been enough time to accurately gauge the player he will become.


My personal opinion?  I am on the same boat with some others on this forum who would consider him an "untouchable" (barring some crazy deal, of course) and a valuable asset to this team and its future.  


Honestly, as far as Myers goes, if it's gonna cost us the likes of Tatar, Jurco, or Sheahan plus a pick and a high level prospect, I hope Holland just walks away.  Would I love him and his desperately needed right-handed shot on this team?  Hell yes.  But at the cost rumors are claiming it would take to get him?  No way.  I would rather have Sproul/ Marchenko/Jenson on this team, before trading one of them for Myers.


First, the whole point was that I wouldn't move him for Myers - I do see him as a piece this team needs (ie: value relative to defenders on the team). I understand his value to the team.

I see Tatar as more of a "catch and release" type player, rather than someone who is going to drive the play. If he can put up 60 points, he's still within the top 60 players in the league in terms of point production. I don't think that's insulting, or cutting him short. I think he's going to make an excellent complimentary winger. He's got great hands in tight, and releases the puck as well as anyone on this team.


I do think, however, that he's going to wind up being a 2nd line player on this team. I see Nyquist, Mantha and Jurco as player who all have higher ceilings than he does. Perhaps I'm wrong, and that's fine... but I really do see him as a complimentary guy. I think he's in the same company as Ryan O'Reilly, Voracek and Oshie - all great players, but maybe not ones regarded as superstars.

I do agree about the small sample to judge his potential. Considering there hasn't been enough time to accurately gauge his production in the future, I'd say there's no way to say he'd top out as a 1st line 70-80 point guy, either. Basically, I just feel that what I see from him hints at him being a complimentary winger, not a superstar. Either way, it's all conjecture at this point.

#2540838 Jeff Petry; trade between us and oilers

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 October 2014 - 02:46 PM

Unless he doesn't get playing time here so he welcomes the chance to play somewhere....


If someone sat you on the sidelines of their team, would you agree to go to that icy tundra of frozen hell, or wait until an (sadly, very likely) injury occurred on your current team? I'd have my feet up, smiling in the press box before I set foot in Edmonton. Heck, at least you can get those little drinks with umbrellas with them in Florida, and there's no one in the stands to bother you.

#2540817 Myers close to become a wing?

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 October 2014 - 12:44 PM

I like Tatar and all. But realistically he will be maybe a 50-60 point player, which is pretty good. But if you could get a giant dman for Tatar that could possibly put up similar numbers why wouldn't you?


First off, the whole basis of me not wanting to move a forward is more about their value relative to the team compared to defenders. Right now, we're sitting pretty with Datsyuk, Z and to a lesser extent Mule. When those guys are done, there's a big drop-off in talent. In my eyes, Detroit needs to hang onto their potential top 6 guys for now. On the other hand, they've got guys like DeKeyser and Smith on the team now, with Ouellet, Marchenko, Sproul, Backman and Jensen on the way.

Regardless of that, my opinion of these two players is that one guy is on the upswing, while one is on a downswing. Myers had a fantastic rookie season, but aside from that every thing has pretty much gone downhill from there. I get that he's on the Sabres, but there hasn't been much positive to say about Myers in a long while. Anytime you read Sabres fans discussing Myers (outside of when they want a king's ransom in a trade) they mention his mobility issues and poor decisions with the puck. There's a big IF involved in Myers turning his game around in Detroit.

When I look at Tatar, I do see a guy who tops out at that 50-60 point mark, but I also see a feisty player willing to go to the hard parts of the ice. He plays bigger than he is, and the guy exudes passion. When I think of Tatar and his potential, it's not a matter of "if" but when. I'd rather keep the commodity I know about over the one I'm not sure is going to return to form.