Whether we like it or not we absolutely have to sign a center. If Stamkos says "no thanks" Nielson is the next best option. Nielson + Ladd/Lucic/Okposo + Brower/Martin would fill a lot of holes. If we don't sign Helm we have enough room to add 3 of the above names.
To be honest - if we're that desperate for a center - I'd rather promote from within if we don't land Stamkos rather than sign a ufa that'll want 5 plus years, and he's on the opposite side of 30.
I'm on the same page. Nielsen might be the next best option on the market, but what's the point? Perhaps if the Wings were in a better position, it would make more sense. Not that I'm already writing the team off for next season, but I don't think they're a Frans Nielsen away from contending. Given the current state of the team, why commit 5.5M and 3-4 years to a 32-year-old when you'll have younger players pushing him within two years?
Larkin and Athanasiou have served as centers in their career, although not in Detroit. KH has stated he envisions Larkin slotting in at center, but Athanasiou is up in the air (unless he's commented on him as well). It might be a "baptism by fire" situation, but I'd try them out there (if one struggles, try the other) before signing another players over the age of 30 to a contract with term. I understand that you generally want to insulate guys in these situations - let them start out as the third-line center and work their way up the depth chart. I think that could have worked with Pavel on this team with one year left on his contract, but now they'll have to offer term to someone else. If that someone else isn't part of the core moving forward, it kind of feels like a lateral move (at best) to me.
I wouldn't mind Nielsen, but I think the team really needs to address their core. Obviously, Stamkos is the big prize this offseason, so there's going to be a lot of competition to get him. Pointing out the obvious, at this stage, he's exactly what the Red Wings need.
Adding a player like Nielsen is great when you've already got the core of your team established, but I see him as more of a solid, complimentary guy. Don't get me wrong - he's a very capable second-line center and solid penalty killer. He's also 32-years-old and apparently (as Dominator pointed out - also rumored to push over 6M, possibly) wants 5.5M+ and 3-4+ years. In terms of playing style, he's a great fit for the Wings. I don't think his situation/contract demands are the right fit, though.
It was discussed here and I believe someone provided a link around the time it became apparent that Datsyuk was a goner. In order for us to not be on the hook we must trade the contract and have it be terminated before July 1st.
Really? Now I'm curious. It doesn't sound right, but what do I know? From my knowledge, once a team acquires a contract, they're responsible for it.
That's the first I've heard that we have to trade the contract before the first. Are you sure about that?
I'm assuming he's referring to Holland's self-imposed deadline. Technically, he doesn't have to move Pavel's contract by July 1st, but he's not going to commit cap space to a free agent without moving the $7.5M. If GM's are (reportedly) asking for guys like AA and Svech now, they'd absolutely have Holland over a barrel if he signed someone before moving the deal. He would have to make a trade - not necessarily Datsyuk's deal, but he'd have no choice but to shed cap space. Don't think he'd put himself in that position.
Nobody. But you agreed that he used the press conference to send a message to other teams. Which to me is, even if he wanted to, a joke. Since months it's clear that we're gonna try to move Datsyuk's contract and recently other teams gave up a lot to get contracts off their cap. A press conference isn't gonna change anything. The asking price can only be lowered if we hold out...something we cannot do.
Regarding Helm we can only hope that somebody wants him. I fear that nobody does and finally we're gonna overpay him. Like always. Loyalty and so on...
First off, let me clarify that I don't think Holland is going to find a price he's willing to pay to move the deal. The biggest reason is that I don't think there are enough teams willing/able to take on the contract. I think Wings end up having to eat the 7.5M for the year.
In response to your comment about other teams moving their unwanted deals - those other teams may have given up a lot to move contracts off their cap, but they were also paying the salaries for the players they were receiving. Datsyuk is 7.5M of cap hit without actually getting paid a salary. I'd wager that's appealing to a number of teams who have financial issues, and are trying to get to the floor. It's a different situation.
I think Holland makes a ton of excuses and digs himself into holes quite often, but the posturing at the press conference is probably the best move he could have made given the situation. He mentioned three things that might push teams to knock down their asking price:
1) He's spoken to a few teams about the prospect of taking on the contract.
2) He's not willing to move a high-end pick or prospect.
3) If a deal doesn't get done by July 1st, he won't bother.
If a team like Arizona or Carolina have legitimate interest in taking on the contract, Holland's laid out the situation for them. He's letting them know that other teams are involved (whether true or not, who knows), which assets he is unwilling to part with in order to move the contract, and his deadline to make the deal happen. Whether it works remains to be seen, but it puts some pressure on GM's who have genuine interest in acquiring Datsyuk's contract.
Again, I think the Wings are stuck with the contract when it's all said and done. Holland did the best he could to lay the groundwork for a trade today, though.
Yet he still haunts on us on the cap for another 4 yrs lol , he was a disaster and his career is probably over
I'm sure it's yes but I forgot ... Does anyone know if nosek Can be claimed through waivers? That would make frk and nosek and assuming mantha makes it and holland is still trying to sign Miller and/or helm you'd gotta think one of frk/nosek and one of Tatar/nyquist are gone ... Draft day is gonna be full of moves
As krsmith said, Nosek has one more year (or 64 games in the NHL) of waiver exemption. Frk, Ouellet, Sproul and Jensen are no longer waiver-exempt as of next season.
Before the offers to Helm and Miller (apparently Miller signing is based on Helm not signing, though?), I thought both Nosek and Frk had outside chances of making the roster - each guy brings something different to the table. I figured Nosek could fill the fourth-line/PK role for one of Miller/Helm, and Frk could jump into a role similar to Pulkkinen's last season.
I have a gut feeling Holland is going to explore the market, though. Without Pavel, this team's top-six probably consists of Zetterberg, Nyquist, Abdelkader, Tatar, Larkin and one of Mantha/Athanasiou/Jurco/Pulkkinen. I can't picture Kenny being comfortable going into next season with those guys. I have a feeling he's going to try to find some cap space and push hard for one of Backes/Brouwer/Ladd (not that I think he should).
Awful ... And the 3 yrs after that would be like 3+ on the cap as well wasted
We have to try and find someone to take him if we are indeed getting rid of him , I'll still believe it when i see it though , wings are too loyal and I can't see them getting rid of Ericsson just yet
I pretty much have the same mindset regarding the whole thing - it doesn't feel like something Holland is going to pull off.
That said, Ericsson was 4th in TOI per game among DET defenders for the first half of the season. The second half he dropped to 6th, and was 7th during the last 20ish games or so. I'm not expecting Holland to buy him out, but I wouldn't be completely shocked, either. It's tough to stomach paying a guy playing as your #6-7 defender 4+ million per year.
Honestly, I don't think it's an overpayment - just about everyone on the team had an "off" year. Guys like Shawn Matthias, Lars Eller and Colin Wilson all produced around the same as Riley last season and are making from 2.3-3.9M per. Sheahan was ranked #87 in the entire league last year in lowest cost per point. The deal will give both parties two years to see what kind of player he turns into, and he's still RFA after it's done. It's not a bad signing at all, IMO.
Things can change from now until the expansion draft, but some reputable sources have already discussed the proposed rules. General Fanager added a tool to their site, which includes exempt players and players who meet the 70-game criteria (although, they didn't include the option to protect eight skaters and one goaltender, for some reason) - http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/expansion
Players with two years of professional experience or less are exempt from the process.
Players with NMCs must be protected, but may be exposed if the player agrees to waive his NMC
Teams can protect 7 forwards, 3 defensemen and 1 goaltender
Teams must expose 2 forwards and 1 defenseman that play 40 games in the 2016-17 season or 70 games between the 2015-16 and 2016-17 seasons. Players that have already exceeded the 70 game threshold are denoted as 70, players projected to exceed either the 40/70 game thresholds are denoted as 40/70.
Teams must expose one goaltender who is either under contract for 2017-18 or an RFA in the 2017 off-season.
One possible candidate to replace him Jeff Salajko, the goaltending development coach for the Grand Rapids Griffins the past three seasons. He has worked closely with Petr Mrazek and even joined the Red Wings on the ice for practices in Columbus this past season.
It comes down to coaching style. I feel like Blashill was kind of set toward utilizing the strengths of younger, offensive players at the beginning of the year, but as time went on got spooked and went the safe route. He seems committed to the latter now, which is unfortunate. Every situation is different, but he's going to have to let the kids play eventually, and not all of them are going to be the dependable, two-way skaters he's looking to create.
I remember reading some quotes from Larionov awhile back (I think he was discussing Yakupov) about how coaching in today's NHL is sucking the creativity out of the game. Coaches are trying to mold every player into the same style of skater, which doesn't translate with the offensively-inclined guys, obviously. I think this is a good take on how Dave Hakstol approached Gostisbhere in Philly.
I'm not saying Blashill should let Smith, Mantha, Athanasiou, etc roam free, but I think he should be more receptive to it. You can have guys who take chances and compliment them with dependable partners/linemates. When you watch Gostisbehere, he's going to make mistakes, but he's also allowed to be a dynamic player. It's a double-edged sword.
I'm far from Richards' biggest critic, and I actually think he has been pretty good for us this season. But I'm of the mindset, that we should be playing this years' playoffs to prepare our kids for the future. There's no way Richards is with this team next season, at least there's no way he should be... And let's face it, short of a miracle, this team is not winning the Cup this season. I'd rather put together a lineup that will somewhat resemble what we are going to ice next year, get the kids some all important playoff experience, rely heavily on the youth and allow them to soak up as much as they can from one of the most naturally skilled, all around forwards the NHL has maybe ever seen...
With the news about Pavel, this is the first thing I thought about. It has Ken Holland written all over it. The triumphant return of Brad Richards: second-line center/fourth-line right winger.
For the record, I think he's played well down the stretch, too.
True, that probably wasn't the best way to phrase what he was trying to say. But on the bright side, he also said: “If we do need him in the series, he needs to be playing.” So at least he's not completely shutting the door on Mantha being called back up.
Yeah, I love Mantha, but I don't think he's grabbed a spot yet. 3 pts. in 10 games. -6. Looked fine, but still needs to round his game out. Let him go be a star in the AHL playoffs
I think Jurco would be better suited to the 4th line spot that's likely open.
Some are saying that Holland's stuck in the past, but: Lark, AA, Marchenko, then Tat, Ny Shea and maybe Jurco, Pulkinnen. It's already a pretty young roster.
Hopefully Mantha will grab a spot for most of next year though. There will be opportunity with Pav gone.
Right. And I get where you're both coming from, and why Holland sent him down. I may not agree with some of Holland's roster moves, but if the situation is 6-10 minutes a night/healthy scratch or playing in the AHL, I get why Kenny chose the latter. They wanted him in a top-six role on the team, and they don't feel like he's done enough to earn that role. He's not a 6-10 minute kind of player.
What I don't get is referring to one of your top prospects as a "spare part", and asking why anyone would think he'd be "the answer". I wonder if Kenny knows what the answer is...