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#2419268 2013 Offseason Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 11 June 2013 - 04:16 PM

First off, the cap hit recapture thing is complete garbage. It's the league's issue that they allowed those contracts, and now GM's following the rules are being penalized for finding loopholes int he league's shoddy system.

Secondly, you're bending numbers so out of proportion that I don't even know how to respond. Just because you average out numbers, and crunch them into different time periods doesn't mean you have the cap hits and salary right. Franzen would never make 7.1 million per year... ever. You can't just bend numbers from different players, because that's assuming every single player with similar production, and every GM in the league are the exact same. They're not. Each team is different too, by the way.

Franzen was signed to his current deal, because at the time, Holland was taking advantage of a loophole in the CBA. The bottom line is, at this very moment, Franzen's production is solid for the amount of cap hit and salary he is taking up. The cap recapture rule is horse s***. Had the league just dealt with this properly, Franzen's hit would be coming off the books, and it'd be a non-issue. It's not Franzen's fault, it's not Holland's fault... it's the NHL's mismanagement and backpedaling.

#2419264 2013 Offseason Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 11 June 2013 - 03:42 PM

I did. But you angled your description to fit only Franzen. Thats not realistic. I want our GM looking for GOOD value. Not FMV. Having the guy who should be a 6m cap hit but only takes 4m is a good value. At this point, Franzen isnt providing us what we need in the 3 spot. That's our most glaring weakness.


Unless you get a guy coming off an ELC, or one of those really good "bridge contracts", this doesn't exist in the NHL anymore. Nearly all the guys who play around a similar point-per game production are making like 5+ million. 

#2419248 Cap might be worse than expected.

Posted by Jesusberg on 11 June 2013 - 03:01 PM


if Kindl gets an Ericsson type contract, I will seriously question Holland.  That money is needed elsewhere....scoring.


Kindl's an offensive defender. I'm not saying he deserves that money, I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if he got more than Nyquist, Smith and Andersson. I think Kindl will be a rock on that 2nd PP unit, and perhaps even jump to the 1st with Kronwall.

The situations between he and Ericsson prior to his contract signing are fairly similar. The key difference is that Ericsson brought something (a shut-down role) that others on the team couldn't, while you could argue that Kronwall, Smith and to a lesser extent, DeKeyser are all capable of of putting up some numbers. So as I said, I wouldn't be surprised if he got around 2.5 or so or on a faith-based deal.

#2419145 Cap might be worse than expected.

Posted by Jesusberg on 10 June 2013 - 09:22 PM

The thing about these "bridge deals" as folks like to call them, the ones worth 2.5-3.5 million, is that they're given out by Wings brass after a guy has proven he can play a few season in Detroit, or at least that he can contribute. Zetterberg, Filppula and Kronwall were given their 2.65, 3 and 3 million dollar deals in response to showing they're capable, or even a few 40 point seasons for the forwards I mentioned.

Brunner may be seen in a different light, but guys like Nyquist, Smith and Kindl aren't really in the same situation as other players given those "bridge deals". I imagine those guys will probably get 2-3 year deals, maybe in the area of 1.2-2.2 or so. Then go on to earn something, should they deserve it.

#2416569 Let's Talk About Abdelkader, Plus Others

Posted by Jesusberg on 31 May 2013 - 01:30 PM

I understand what they were trying to do... I think, kind of emmulate Chicago's "Saad-Toews-Hossa" line. I honestly don't feel like it's a bad idea, but at the same time... there need to be a skilled guy to run shotgun with Pavs. Abdelkader did well in his puck retrieval/going hard to the net role.

I still think "Abdelkader-Helm-Tootoo" would have been one of the better fore checking lines in the playoffs, if they could have used it. 

#2416210 Alexei Marchenko signs 3 year entry level deal

Posted by Jesusberg on 30 May 2013 - 02:27 PM

Sweet! I assume that means he'll be a Griffin this fall...joining what should be an absolutely stacked Grand Rapids roster.


I hear people rag on the Wings farm system and im stumped as to why...we got so many real deal guys.


No kidding...

Lashoff, Almqvist, Ouellet, Sproul, Jensen, Nedomlel, Nicastro and Fournier all battling for spots... and now Marchenko. Not to mention any of the guys on AHL contracts. Going to be a very deep defense. I honestly only see maybe four of those guys being with the Griffs most of the year, and the others being in the ECHL.

#2415928 Franzen Buyout?

Posted by Jesusberg on 30 May 2013 - 12:02 AM

Samuelsson, yes... Franzen still has value. There's enough space on this team to knock of a few older guys, without compromising the "core"... so long as Nyquist, Andersson and Tatar are on this team next season, I'll be happy.

#2405991 Jack Adams Nominees:

Posted by Jesusberg on 17 May 2013 - 12:12 PM

I'm fine with Babs not being nominated, but how the F*** is Quennville on there!?!? If I'm remembering properly, hockey fans were citing Babcock having a stellar team in front him as being the reason for so few nominations. So now Quennville has a juggernaut Blackhawks squad and gets the nod? Unreal.

I feel like MacLean should get it, but Boudreau is deserving, too.

#2404060 Helm Status Update

Posted by Jesusberg on 13 May 2013 - 05:01 PM

As much as I hate to see Helm out, his absence has given Andersson a chance to show he's a capable center at the NHL level. I appreciate the effort Emmerton puts forth, but I think Dats/Flip/Andersson/Helm gives us much better depth at center. One positive to take out of it.

#2393644 WCQF Game 2 GDT - Red Wings 5 @ Ducks 4 OT (Series tied, 1-1)

Posted by Jesusberg on 02 May 2013 - 02:14 PM


More of this, please.

#2388730 Jonathan Drouin- The Wings should consider trying for Frk's mate

Posted by Jesusberg on 24 April 2013 - 01:03 PM

Just remember Eastern Conference....Boston, Toronto, Montreal, Buffalo....big teams.  Wings need to get bigger. No more small skilled. We need Big Power forwards...


Boston, sure... but the others? Sure, they have some bigger 4th liners, but in their top six, where's the size? Toronto has Kulemin, Montreal has Pacioretty, Stafford for Buffalo. Generally speaking, those teams are kind of small, and before all of their injuries on defense, Montreal was the best of them. Speed and great passing kill. The puck moves faster than any player can.

Detroit's biggest issue is getting someone with the skill to rush the puck up ice and get it to the forwards. You can have big bodies in front of the net, but that doesn't do much good if you're always in your own zone/cut off in the neutral.

#2382944 Official: Howard signs 6-year, $31.8m contract extension

Posted by Jesusberg on 11 April 2013 - 12:05 PM

And, again, if you can be so sure that Petr Mrazek will definitely be a Top 15 goalie in the NHL (which is what Howard is, easily), then there are literally 35 goalie prospects around the league for which the same thing can be said.  Jacob Markstrom, Darcy Kuemper, Matt Hackett...


The best you could possibly hope for is for Mrazek to turn out as good as Jimmy Howard already is


Obviously, no one can predict how well a guy is actually going to do, but if you re-call Howard's time in the AHL... it wasn't pretty. Not many people had much faith that he could come into the NHL and put up better numbers than he did with the Griffs. You get a guy in Mrazek who blows up at the WJC, does pretty darn well in juniors and then comes in and takes the AHL job from McCollum and Pearce (not tough, just saying.)

The kid has done pretty well for himself so far, and I actually imagine he's going to hit a wall next season and slow down. After that, it's up to him. If he bounces back and works out well, cool. That 2014-15 year could be when he jumps in as Jimmy's back-up, or maybe he takes an extra year in GR - who knows? Regardless, he's the most hyped up goalie prospect around here in awhile. I'm rooting for the kid, personally.

#2382938 Official: Howard signs 6-year, $31.8m contract extension

Posted by Jesusberg on 11 April 2013 - 11:38 AM

Enhh, this one's a little on the high side for me on both cap hit and term. I really would have preferred to see something like 4.5-4.8 over 3-4 years, but at this stage that probably doesn't make sense for Howard. I think in his mind, this is probably his "retirement" contract, and so he's going to try to get his money now.

In terms of the actual structure of the team, I can see Mrazek truly challenging (and perhaps overtaking) Jimmy in about 3-4 seasons. What then? We'll have a 5.3 million dollar back-up? Love Howie, just not 100% sold on the deal. Glad we still have him, though.

#2382834 Why do you cheer for the Red Wings?

Posted by Jesusberg on 10 April 2013 - 06:46 PM

I dated Gordie Howe back in high school.  


He told me you two were just a one time thing.

#2382819 Thinking on 2013/14 roster.

Posted by Jesusberg on 10 April 2013 - 04:47 PM

The same people who complain about our prospects not being inserted into the line-up are the same ones advocating signing a 30-year old winger in David Clarkson. Not trying to point the finger at anyone in particular, but this guy is basically what Dan Cleary was 3-4 years ago. I've paid close attention to Clarkson, and the word "streaky" doesn't even begin to describe him. Burst out of the gates early, then went about as cold as Brunner did. 

Let the contracts for these older players run out (Cleary, Miller, Sammy, Bert, etc.) and bring along the younger players. Why pay for a band-aid? That would just take away a spot from one of the kids. The "grass is always greener" mentality is just crazy around here sometimes. I think people just want change, no matter what that change is. This team isn't going to be that great for about two-three season... let's deal with that.