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#2560739 Time for Teemu?

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 January 2015 - 05:23 PM

As much as I'd like to see Pulu up with the Wings, I don't think moving Jurco to another team is the solution. I think he's got an edge to his game that you're not going to find with some of the other prospects/players in the organization. Even if his skill game doesn't meet expectation, he can serve as a net presence/puck retrieval type guy. I was all for Jurco starting the year in the AHL (if Alfie was going to return) and I still kind of feel as if he might have been better served down there. He could be dominating on a line with Pulkkinen. It may be against "lesser" competition, but I think it would have done him some good - he's still only 22, and he never got a full season of dominating play in the AHL.

Either way, there are about 2-3 guys I'd move before Jurco in order to open a spot for someone else.

#2560736 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 January 2015 - 05:06 PM

If I was Ken Holland I'd call her office right now and ask "what the f*** Helene"?  Why would you speculate about a players' trade value, and fuel subsequent rumors, while he's playing the best hockey of anyone on the team? 


I've always thought Helene St. James was stupid.  But this is seriously next level stupidity.  It's like if stupidity went super saiyan. 

Like... Stupor Saiyan?

HockeyyInsiderr = NHLSourcesSay, at least in terms of being click bait on a smaller scale. People would cite NSS during the off-season. I'm pretty sure they had something about Green coming here for Tatar, as well. I'm all for adding on to the back-end, but giving away your leading goal scorer for a project? Yikes.

Helene writing about it, on the other hand, is just plain idiotic. I'm starting to feel like Ansar Khan is the only legitimate source for Red Wings material. He rarely speculates, and when he does, it's generally very reasonable.

#2559818 12/29 GDT - Red Wings 2 at Bruins 5

Posted by Jesusberg on 29 December 2014 - 10:59 PM

They're on a rough stretch. If this team is terrible, I'd hate to see what it's like being a fan of the other 21 teams below them in the standings.

They could use a shake-up, but it's not the end of the world.

#2558602 Rank our griffins d prospects

Posted by Jesusberg on 22 December 2014 - 07:17 PM

I agree - AHL veterans are important. I think guys like Paestch, Hoggan, Miele (even though he's only 26, he strikes me as a career AHL guy) and Porter have their place on this team, 100%. Those guys provide leadership, chip in offensively and make their line mates better. I understand the defense core is pretty young, but I feel like Ouellet and Marchenko are fairly stable in their own right, and I'd even trust Jensen to a lesser extent.

If the argument is that Backman's the low man on the totem pole, and he's irrelevant because the other prospects are better than he is, then what is Evans? All of the vets I mentioned provide more than Evans does. Again, if we're going to take one "lesser" player, I'd rather take the guy who's going to potentially be a member of the Red Wings in the future. Heck, I'd be all for Nedomlel playing over Backman if he deserved it - at least he's considered a prospect and could play for the Wings down the road, doubtful as it may be.

I get we're kind of spinning our wheels here - there's not much middle ground on this one. I just feel as if this team moving Kindl is long overdue, and Evans on this the Griffins is redundant with the existing veterans. Either guy being gone would have assuaged the situation. For me, it just comes down to a guy we know is as good as done with this team and an AHL vet with minimal contributions being kept over someone who could make a difference down the road.

#2558082 Rank our griffins d prospects

Posted by Jesusberg on 20 December 2014 - 01:17 PM


So he should have earned his playing time, but he should have been given playing time even if he wasn't earning it, while Evans, who despite his lack of an NHL future who has been doing his job, should have been benched.


The bottom line is that Backman didn't do enough to prove he was good enough to play in the AHL.  End of story.

So Evans' job in the AHL > Backman's job in the AHL + his potential job at the NHL level.

Perhaps I'm underestimating the importance of a plug, who's scored zero points at the AHL. It's fantastic that Blashill feels he's got more intangibles, or brings leadership to the team, or whatever... but I think it's a very short-sighted strategy. Grand Rapids is what... 10th or 11th in the West? What exactly are they winning, and how is Brennan Evans helping? How does Backman playing in his spot hinder their "success" this season?

I admit, Backman leaving is a short-sighted move on his part. As much as he's responsible for his development, management is just as responsible, if not more. He's a suck for leaving, but I truly believe this is an example of mismanagement as well. To say that the onus is on a 22 year-old kid for leaving, what he feels to be a situation that is hindering his potential, is kind of ridiculous, IMO.

Backman's playing in the SEL and likely not coming back - that's partially on him, but there's more to it in my view. This team can't or won't move Kindl, and won't sit Brennan Evans. Both contributed to this situation.

#2558069 Rank our griffins d prospects

Posted by Jesusberg on 20 December 2014 - 11:30 AM

But at the same time you need to EARN it.

Let's say that Backman wasn't performing up to snuff in practices, and the 13 games he played in. That's fine - he wasn't doing enough to stay in the line-up on a consistent basis. My issue with the situation right now is that Evans has played in 20 games, and has contributed nothing on offense. I understand his role on the team, but Backman was essentially sitting while Evans has been racking up PIM's.

Earning it or not, I just can't understand the logic behind letting a player who could potentially contribute to your team in the future sit over an AHL veteran who's got zero points and no future in the organization.

I'm sure Backman played his role in the situation - perhaps a poor attitude, sense of entitlement, being homesick, etc., but now a player this team was pretty high on going into the season is back in Sweden, and I can't see him coming back to GR. The chances he makes the Red Wings out of camp, from the SEL are pretty much slim to none. It's a situation that could have been avoided, IMO.

#2557608 Rank our griffins d prospects

Posted by Jesusberg on 19 December 2014 - 09:16 AM

He's also behind Kronwall, Ericsson, Dekeyser, Smith, Quincey, and apparently, Paetch and Evans.


If he's our 5th best prospect currently in the AHL, the chances of him ever sniffing the Wings are practically nil, whether he's playing every night or not. You can say he's a very good prospect, but don't gloss over that he's also apparently unable to win a regular spot in an AHL lineup at the moment.


Prospects wash out all the time. All over the league. 5th round picks do so much more often than not. I bet Gleason Fournier wasn't too happy that he sucked too much for the AHL, but he wasn't European so no one wrote a story about it. Did anyone here care? We feeling that loss? The pool of future NHL players is not going to say to themselves, "Hey, this one time, there was this one 5th round pick who couldn't win a regular AHL spot, and the Wings didn't go out of their way to make it easier for him. Those dicks, I'll never play there."


It's not about anyone being over-ripe, or our development process taking too long, or any unfair treatment. There are spots in GR besides Ouellet's. If Backman can't win one of those other 5, he should be unhappy with himself, not with the organization.


While my "why should we care" comment may have been flippant, and I'd certainly expect the organization to show more tact, I would much rather see them say, "Suck it up. Play better or have fun in Europe." than "Oh, sorry it's too hard for you, let me get one of these better players out of your way so you can play every day.".

I agree with some of your points, but I see things another way on others. Let me preface this by saying that I don't like Backman's tone, and I don't think any player should try to "strong-arm" his way into the line-up by suggesting he'll go elsewhere. That being said...

Backman being the "5th best" prospect in the NHL has less to do with him, and more to do with the talent in front of him. Coming into the year, I don't even think Jensen was on anyone's radar - certainly not mine. Him being unable to get a spot on the blueline right now could have something to do with how Blashill feels about his vets - or wanting to create pairings that are to his liking. Don't quote me on this, but I think he and Sproul were being used as a pairing at one time, and it just didn't take. My point is, there may be an element of circumstance and coaching blended in here, not just Backman's individual talents.

I really don't think Fournier and Backman are the same guy. Fournier looked great in the QMJHL, but never took in the AHL, or the ECHL for that matter. As much as I dislike that he brought it up, the SEL really is a much better league. Backman played well in a men's league, not one in the CHL. It's unfortunate that Fournier didn't pan out, though... I actually liked his game.

Fact is, I do think they have one too many AHL vets on the back-end there. They could have gone without Evans and kept Nedomlel up as the extra in GR. I'm not advocating giving Backman a spot because he's whining and deserves one, but I do think he actually needs regular ice time to adjust to play in North America. Not getting in playing time here really could hurt his long-term game. As I said, I think he's going about it the wrong way, though. This should have been an internal matter.


looks like 30% 



Also, seeing that Paul Maurice used to coach him in Carolina.... so he's a known commodity. That could've had something to do with it.

I saw the 30% yesterday, but didn't think to fix it on here. The Maurice connection didn't even occur to me. Makes more sense now.

#2557506 Rank our griffins d prospects

Posted by Jesusberg on 18 December 2014 - 11:25 AM

I'm not worried about Backman, he will be fine. But I do agree that Ouellet needs to get up with the big club full time. Why Kindl is still on this team is beyond me. We're not going to get much of a return for him but I believe he can still be a serviceable defenseman on several other clubs. There are 3 teams that I think could use help on the back end right now, due to lack of depth or injury. The Oilers need help at every position, but mostly on the back end. Kindl could be a good fit there. The Islanders and Jets could also use a little help on their back end right now, because of injuries. Any of these teams could have him for a mid to late round draft pick or even future considerations. We can bare to lose the "asset",  the roster spot should be more important to us right now.

I think they'd all be good suitors, as well. The biggest issue with moving Kindl, I believe, is the term on his deal. One less year on his deal and he's gone by now, IMO. The Jets seem like a perfect place for him to go, considering a lot of their injuries have some term on them, and they have plenty of cap space.

Rumors have them offering a bottom six player (Thorburn, Halischuk, Peluso, Galiardi) in return for a defender. I'd prefer a pick, but at this point I want that roster spot cleared up above all else.

#2557093 12/16 GDT : Blue Jackets 1 at Red Wings 0 (SO)

Posted by Jesusberg on 16 December 2014 - 02:19 PM

Babcock scratching Kindl and Lashoff over Ouellet screams, "Hey Kenny. I want this kid here. Do you see!?"

#2556918 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 December 2014 - 03:33 PM

I don't get all the talk about guys not being "top pairing" defenders. It's similar to having a forward like Abdelkader playing with Zetterberg-Datsyuk. Parity causes teams to look for balance through their line-ups - chemistry, spreading the talent, whatever. Tons of teams in the NHL do it.

Suter-Brodin/Spurgeon, McDonagh-Girardi, Bouwmeester-Pietrangelo, Orprik-Carlson, Martin-Letang, etc. All of those pairings have a defensive/shutdown guy whose numbers aren't anything to write home about. That's the NHL today. The pairings putting up big numbers like Giordano-Brodie or Markov-Subban are becoming a rarity in the league.

#2556309 Myers close to become a wing?

Posted by Jesusberg on 12 December 2014 - 11:00 PM

Athanasiou: "Hey guys, come check out this post on LGW. What's a Jesusberg? Either way, this guy said I should be made available for trade. I'm gonna go score a couple goals and maybe add an assist... make him look stupid."

#2556013 12/12 GDT : Panthers 3 at Red Wings 2 (SO)

Posted by Jesusberg on 12 December 2014 - 04:06 PM

I can't believe that I'm really starting to hate this team. Their "fans" on Twitter are saying that they "own the Joe" because they've won the past 3 visits there....LoL. I really would love like a 5-0 or 6-0 blowout. This team is really starting to annoy me. Go Wings!




Wait. Florida? Fans? What?

We should just be impressed that many people over the age of 60 can use Twitter.

#2556003 Myers close to become a wing?

Posted by Jesusberg on 12 December 2014 - 02:41 PM

Yea, we definitely could be...
But if larkin stays at um for lets say three years, Pavels contract will then be up.
Helms health is a concern, as is Weiss', yeah we have some prospects looking good for the future but I don't expect them to pan out as much as our current crop of kids did.
Not because I don'thave faith in the org.Just that id rather have more chances at one of them surpassing expectations.

Aa has the skill and speed to be great, I've been super high on him for awhile now, actually found lgw looking for people talking about him.

Yeah we have great depth now at c, but Pavel and z are getting up there, and id love to remain deep there in the future.

Believe me, I have this in mind as well. I'm very tentative when it comes to moving assets. I think running Sheahan-Larkin-Athanasiou-Glendening down the middle, in the future, would be excellent. However, I'm kind of viewing it in a similar way that I look at the defense. I really think that Detroit is going to hang on to Kronwall, Ericsson, DeKeyser and Smith (assuming nothing goes wrong in terms of health, etc.), leaving two/three spots for Ouellet, Sproul, Backman, Marchenko and Jensen. It's great to have that wealth, but something has to give there.

Center isn't as deep, obviously, but I still think that at least one of Zetterberg, Weiss and/or Helm will be around. There are more health issues with these guys than the aforementioned defensemen. Again, I'm not advocating moving a guy for the sake of getting a slight upgrade on the back end - it would have to be someone who was a big boost to the offense from the blueline. Basically, it comes down to me thinking that Riley has taken a big step forward, and having more comfort with the possibility of moving a center in a package deal. I'd be more at ease losing AA in a deal than I would Tatar, Jurco or Mantha.

#2555848 Myers close to become a wing?

Posted by Jesusberg on 11 December 2014 - 03:40 PM

I wish this one would die... especially after reading this:



"And this is where things get interesting. I’m told the asking price from the Sabres for Myers is prospect Dylan Larkin, a roster player along the lines of a Riley Sheahan or Tomas Jurco, and a first-round pick. That seems like an awful lot for an underachieving player who still has five years on his deal with a cap hit of $5.5 million per season."

:huh: Seriously? Larkin, Sheahan/Jurco AND a 1st? No thanks.

#2555816 Babcock "I don't think it will be my final year here"

Posted by Jesusberg on 11 December 2014 - 01:21 PM

Not that I'm surprised, but...



Ansar Khan ‏@AnsarKhanMLive  3m

Babcock said contrary to reports he is not close to signing contract and doesn't expect to do so during season.



Helene St. James ‏@HeleneStJames  4m

red Wings coach Mike Babcock says extension not imminent. Says whoever reporting that "is wrong."