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#2539085 23 man roster set... say hi to your 2014/15 Wings

Posted by Jesusberg on 08 October 2014 - 01:33 PM


But all those teams are a lot better than us with a much deeper offensive pool  So whatever they're doing, they're doing it right.    


Abby in the top 6 is a perfect indication of why this team has fallen from contender status.  Guy works hard on every shift, but it's like putting lipstick on a pig.  It shouldn't be there and he shouldn't be getting big minutes with skilled players.  


To be fair, I wouldn't want to put a lipstick wearing pig on their line, either. Like I said in my previous post, I hate Abdelkader there. What I'm pointing out is that people going on about him being in the top 6 - the idea of the top 6 is being weeded out all over. Given the current roster, I'd much rather see something along the lines of:




I think that works the same way - using Jurco as a puck-retrieval/net presence guy. You're still rolling three scoring lines, and keeping pairings that have been proven to work in the past. Problem is, Babcock won't trust Jurco in that situation, and Holland doesn't want to foot the bill next season after his numbers (in theory) blow up.

For the record, I think the team falling out of contender status has more to do with hanging onto assets that aren't of value anymore, and not filling in voids on the blueline. I believe that misusing Abdelkader is an issue, but hardly the most pressing one.

#2539080 23 man roster set... say hi to your 2014/15 Wings

Posted by Jesusberg on 08 October 2014 - 01:12 PM

As much as most of us can't stand Abdelkader being in the top 6, I really think it's a total shift in the NHL in general. Teams are rolling out top 9's now. Look around at the lines for other teams. Anaheim uses Matt Beleskey on their 2nd line, and they used Pat Maroon on their top line last season. Los Angeles has Tanner Pearson on the 2nd, while Justin Williams (who won the Conn Smythe) is on their 3rd line. Chicago's rolling out a Saad-Shaw-Kane line.

Is Abdelkader better or worse than some of those guys? I don't know, and I don't like him on that line, flat out. I do know that there's a shift in how teams are rolling out scoring lines. Teams aren't top heavy anymore - they're trying to run three balanced scoring lines. For better or worse, Abs is going to stay in that top 9 somewhere. Detroit's going to utilize guys like he and Helm to fill in spots on line where they battle for pucks and play in front of the net.

#2539070 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by Jesusberg on 08 October 2014 - 12:49 PM

What I find funny about this situation is that the one guy Weiss kind of clicked with during the preseason was Nestrasil. Obviously didn't put up the numbers, but I thought they had some bright spots. I think a big part of this, not that it has to do with Weiss specifically, has to do with the Kid Line playing so well. You can send those guys out to be a 2nd line.

Honestly, even when Datsyuk returns, I wouldn't be surprised to see Mule-Weiss/Helm-Gus get some sheltered minutes. The Kid line has been a huge positive this preseason, in my eyes.


Edit: Oh, and as of right now, Smith-DeKeyser is still a pairing. That's also good... right?

#2538974 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by Jesusberg on 07 October 2014 - 09:27 PM

I agree with this, and if Smith was on the PP, I wouldn't want him as the high defender.  But if Kronwall or Dekeyser was the high defender, Smith could work one of the walls.


I agree that Smith as the high defender could spell trouble, but the right side half boards... he could pull off what DeKeyser did the other night with Nestrasil. I think Smith has the offensive instincts to play well in that position, but we'll see what happens.

#2538832 23 man roster set... say hi to your 2014/15 Wings

Posted by Jesusberg on 07 October 2014 - 03:15 PM

I know people are mad that XO isn't on the team, but if he did make the final cut wouldn't that mean that either Jurco would be sent down or Nestrasil would be exposed to waivers?


I can guarantee that if Jurco had started in GR so that XO could be in the lineup all the same folks would be complaining and calling for Holland/Babs' heads.


Eh, I could be in the minority here, but I think this team's forwards are a strong point. The biggest need in my eyes is on the back end, having guys who can play big minutes and get the puck up ice. Nestrasil had a heck of a camp, but if it means getting Ouellet up here permanently, I'd risk him on waivers. While it might not be popular, I'd even take him here over Jurco - I really think they need to bolster the blueline more than anything else.

As it stands, I'm happy Jurco is here, and I'm happy for Nestrasil... but a Datsyuk return and Alfredsson signing could change that. They need to shed a combination of Andersson and Kindl/Lashoff, difficult as it may be.

#2538817 23 man roster set... say hi to your 2014/15 Wings

Posted by Jesusberg on 07 October 2014 - 02:30 PM

The roster moves have pissed people off so much that they're experiencing hallucinations involving talking dogs. Way to go, Kenny.

#2538780 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by Jesusberg on 07 October 2014 - 01:37 PM


Well, I don't think it's inconceivable that the team could have kept around one or two defensive prospects to fill out the points on the PP.  At which time you'd only need six forwards.  And we've at least six who are much more qualified to do that job than Helm.  Sadly, however, we've apparently got exactly two defensemen that Babs feels confident enough to put on the powerplay (and one of them is Dekeyser). 


Justify it however you want.  If you're comfortable with Darren Helm on your powerplay I don't know what to say to you. 


Speaking of, why is it that Babs would rather have Helm and Nestrasil on the powerplay than Smith?  I thought he was supposed to get a shot this year?


Which is what I really don't understand. I get that DeKeyser looked good on the Nestrasil goal, but when was Smith even given the opportunity during the preseason? They're using the 1-3-1 formation on the PP, but you can slot Mule in front on the 1st and Nestrasil/Sheahan in front on the 2nd. Smith and DeKeyser could work point and the right half boards... but I suppose Helm is a better option... for some reason.

Between this and the comments made by Babcock earlier about Holland getting two votes, I swear some of the decisions made by these two are to spite each other. It just makes zero sense at times. Zero.

#2538760 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by Jesusberg on 07 October 2014 - 01:04 PM

Bull****. Pure BS. 

#2538577 Holland interview with Mickey comment about a trade

Posted by Jesusberg on 06 October 2014 - 03:01 PM

You would be wrong. 2007-8 was one long bitchfest, mainly about how the team was too soft to compete in the playoffs. When people weren't bitching about the lack of fighters, there were endless threads about our sucktacular goaltending as Hasek and Osgood fanboys took turns in deriding the other goaltender as an over the hill fruitcake, or as never good enough in the first place. The month of February saw us decimated by injuries, with a 1st pairing of Lilja-Lebda. Nevertheless, the associated slump in results was proof positive for all the Chicken Lickens that the team was not good enough to win the cup. Trade deadline day was an orgy of Holland hate. The announcement of the Stuart trade, coming after the deadline had passed, meant that the outright fury was only quelled down to a sullen, grudging "OK , I guess that'll do", but prior to that not even the Cleary re-signing generated so much HOLLAND YOU SUCK!!!! Being 3-0 up against the Stars and them coming back to 3-2 was further proof positive that this team wasn't good enough to win the cup. Not to mention, we had Eva Unit Zero and his always entertaining mental gymnastics bemoaning the under utilisation of Jiri Hudler, and how Hudler was a better player than Messier etc etc, if only we used Hudler more..... Finally, we had Mindfly. If you weren't here for it, it would be hard for you to understand just how overwhelmingly negative he was. Every loss, every goal against, every shot against, every icing, every lost faceoff was evidence of what a truly terrible team we had, how Holland should be fired, and the whole team traded for prospects and picks. After every loss he would pop up, preaching his gospel of doom and gloom. Thankfully we won a lot that year. I think us winning game 6 in Pittsburgh was probably the worst night of his life. Sent from my KFTT using Tapatalk

So basically, not much has changed around these parts ;)

The days of arguing with Eva... oh, how I miss them. I was a rookie back then.

#2538506 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by Jesusberg on 06 October 2014 - 09:45 AM

Weird to see Weiss on the outside looking in, but maybe Babcock just doesn't like what he's seen during the preseason. On the flip side, I am so stoked about those defensive pairings. Been waiting to see DeKeyser-Smith for awhile. I really hope they gel.

#2538453 Callahan, Ferraro and Porter placed on Waivers

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 October 2014 - 01:26 PM

Nestrasil is a 6'3 RH C. We can use a guy like that in the lineup. If he keeps progressing the way he has we will have quite the gem. I like Callahan and don't want to lose him but Nestrasil is clearly more valuable to the team long term. 

RH as in right handed? He's a lefty. And he's played a lot of left wing lately.

#2538163 Holland interview with Mickey comment about a trade

Posted by Jesusberg on 03 October 2014 - 02:53 PM


I see what you're saying, but saying "Lash isn't in any trouble" is still a long way off from claiming Lashoff and Kindl have no chance of losing their spot to a prospect.  


Because in that article Echolalia posted Babcock says (emphasis mine): 




I think people's frustration with Babcock giving underperforming vets ice time is causing them to fixate too much on this one comment. 


I'm not totally sure on this but I think Kindl has been a healthy scratch at some point every single season he's played for the Wings.  After his poor performance last year, I can't see how that got him a guaranteed spot on the roster.  


I agree 100% with your take on Kindl - I think Khan was kind of reaching when he claimed Kindl was safe as well. My take on it is that Lashoff is safer than Kindl is, by however slim of a margin. Him sitting on the bench half the season limits his impact on the team. I think you factor in his position on the team, cap hit, expectations, etc. and it makes him a less likely candidate to be replaced. My best guess is that if/when the decision is made to bring up one of the younger guys, they're going to attempt to move Kindl first. If they find themselves stuck with his contract, I assume they'd waive Lashoff before waiving Kindl, if only because it feels like less of a loss and he's not as likely to be claimed.

Somewhere in there, Babs said he basically wants someone who's going to be a stable, 5-on-5 player. At this point, it would appear that either Ouellet or Marchenko are a much better bet than Kindl to offer that. We'll see if the brass has the... brass to pull the trigger.


Edit: Regardless of the actual outcome, I really want those three to have the game of their lives today. I want to see what management does when one or more of Ouellet, Marchenko and/or Jensen prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they belong on this team's blueline.

#2537901 Are the wings underrated?

Posted by Jesusberg on 01 October 2014 - 11:01 AM

Well, all I am saying is what I seen from the kids the other night just re-enforces my stand on we would not miss Franzen, Helm, Andersson,  Q or K or E one bit if they were not on this team.  And my point was with that roster if you read the entire thing, IF ALL WERE HEALTHY, I would very happy with a roster that looked like that come opening night.


I disagree with Mule and E. I don't think you replace his goal scoring, or E's defensive skills and PK ability with the kids the team has now. On the other hand, I feel like Andersson, Quincey and Kindl could all be upgraded or swapped for someone of similar value. I'm on the fence with Helm, but with all his nagging injuries and the depth the Wings have at center right now, I think they could get by without him. He's still got a lot of value, but slotting Dats, Weiss, Sheahan and Glendening down the middle works out well. Not to mention, they'll have some good bottom 6 depth at center with Larkin and Turgeon down the road.

#2537890 Are the wings underrated?

Posted by Jesusberg on 01 October 2014 - 09:22 AM

It's a big year for Smith - it being a contract year is obvious, but moving forward it's huge for him. I think part of Babs' comments about finding a top 4 guy when discussing the defensive prospects was definitely directed at Smith. Thing is, I hope he's given a fair shake this year. Give the guy special teams minutes and let him play. You're not going to find a future top 4 in Kindl or Quincey - those two are fringe #4-5 defenders at this point, IMO.


I don't care about last year or the year before, Smith can prove what he's going to be this season. Pairing wise, I wish they'd slot him with DD and let Kindl-Quincey run around together. Much better indicator of what Smith is going to mean to the team going forward.

#2537864 Are the wings underrated?

Posted by Jesusberg on 30 September 2014 - 07:03 PM


1. Yes it does but other teams had injuries too as sad as it is, it's part of the game. In my mind Goose absolutely exploded expecting him to repeat such a performance over the course of a season is unfair. Counting on a fairly healthy roster is nice but at the end of the day older teams are more prone to injuries. I prefer to look at things realistically and by expecting a bad season (for Wings standards) they can only surprise me in a positive way so I guess it will lead to more fun watching the young - hopefully - soon stars play. But given the chance I honestly prefer watching Bruins - Habs, Maple Leafs - Habs, Canucks - Flames , Flames - Leafs or Flames - Bruins I have a feeling those games will be more entertaining than Wings - Florida, Buffalo, Isles ...


2. Tatar completely changed blew my mind not only with his play but also with his unreal mindset (playing after this horrible story) and scoring a goal, so I hope he explodes ala Goose. Yes, Weiss has looked a lot better and kinda bulked up a bit ? but please keep in mind it's only the pre-season. In terms of Goose I fully agree with you if he can score 20 - 25 goalson a regular basis that would be absolutely huge he [Goose] obviously has the talent to do it. The other teams aren't stupid I'm sure they've done their homework and now know how good Tatar, Goose, Danny are which is bad for our young guns but could also mean more space for Z and Pasha.


3. In my mind the Bruins played really bad against the Habs, Rask looked shaky compared to Price and Boston never found a way to replace that Chara - Seidenberg combo but if they meet again I would still bet on the Bruins they are much (or at least should be) a much better and more likeable team.


The defensive core does have more problems than just getting the puck to the forwards and running the powerplay, they aren't phsysical enough. Other teams don't pay a price for standing in front of the net and screening Howard or the monster, do that against Boston and Chara, Lucic and McQuaid will make one thing very clear ...stay there and prepare to get pushed of forced out! Sadly the drop off after Danny, Kronwall and Ericsson is huge and I really don't think Oulett, Sproul or Jensen should be trusted to be heavy hitters or playing QB at their first pro-season (if they even make the team). At the end when I'm looking at the last 3 years as an example it is clear to me that the Wings are rated where they should be, it's up to the team to proof experts, fans and the media wrong. We are just fans we can't control anything so it doesn't matter what we think the team has to perform to their abilities will it be good enough for a 24 playoff berth ? Maybe maybe not but like I said, I prefer to look at iat rationally and of course being bad in a McEichel year isn't the worst thing in the world :-)


I suppose we just have a different perspective. I don't expect the Wings to be wholly successful - I expect them to land somewhere from #4-8 in the East, and I feel like that's realistic. The difference between last year and this year (in theory) is the number of games Red Wings are playing at their highest level. You have your best players playing their best hockey, and it's bound to be a better year. I actually feel like last season was so rough in terms of man games lost that there's nowhere to go but up.


I get the idea of reeling in expectations when it comes to players returning from injury, but Weiss has looked heads and shoulders better, IMO. He had a ton of skating issues last season and looked terribly slow. Even if it's been a couple games, his skating is much more fluid. Not saying he's going to be a 60 point guy, but I think he's going to show some serious improvement.


I agree about him being a passive guy, but that's always been the case. I think the best way Weiss is going to be used is between guys like Mule, Tatar, Nyquist, etc. Give him those trigger men and he'll be given an opportunity to set them up. The thing about other teams catching on to Goose, Tatar, Danny, etc. is that the team has some depth at forward. If this team can run three scoring lines, it gives them that much more offensive punch. If you're taking away space from Goose, you're leaving Mule open. Taking it away from Tatar, and perhaps Jurco gets some room. The depth at forward is something I'm optimistic about on this team.


The Bruins are a good team - I don't think there's any denying that. For as much as you believe they played poorly against the Habs, I also think the Wings played poorly against them. While I think the right team won the series, I really think Detroit could have pushed them a lot more. It was just a flat effort from the team.