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#2563897 Jimmy Howard.......All-Star!

Posted by Jesusberg on 17 January 2015 - 01:31 PM

...like Bobrovsky...no idea how he gets into the game.

For the same reason Foligno was named a captain? When you consider that the host team is usually well represented, six players are voted in and (under normal circumstances) every team is supposed to be represented, it's not really about who deserves to go.

#2563870 Franzen on IR

Posted by Jesusberg on 17 January 2015 - 08:58 AM

I think by literary standards its a failure, because puns are lazy writing.
But by a drunken hockey forums standards, its a staggering success.



What I appreciate most is how organically it happened.  You could tell that it was a clear evolution of thought from "Kip's an ass" to "I'll write ASSociation because puns are ironic and funny" to "it's a pun free for all!". 


You're right.  Booze is probably involved now that I think about it. 

I majored in language and literature during my undergraduate (puns really are the lowest form of humour), and I was stone cold sober when I wrote that.

...I'm just not above a cheap laugh.

#2563844 Franzen on IR

Posted by Jesusberg on 16 January 2015 - 11:06 PM

I am picking up on the fact that you enjoy being an ass.

Kip's an ass? I've been having amicable discussions, and even agreeing at times for like two weeks now. Does that make me guilty by ASSociation?

Ha... I'll just see myself out.

#2563363 Could the Wings be better off trading Pav & Hank for draft picks?

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 January 2015 - 03:44 PM

I am not a violent man, but I will throw a shoe at you, sir/ma'am. 

We have plenty of young help here and in lower leagues - it's just not "blue chip" talent. Patience is a virtue.

#2563243 Franzen on IR

Posted by Jesusberg on 14 January 2015 - 06:34 PM

Hey guys, how's it go...



#2563139 TB's Paquette learns the hard way, don't start **** w Chara

Posted by Jesusberg on 14 January 2015 - 11:59 AM

Listening to their commentary during the Brown-Krejci scrum... Sweet Jesus, spot picking. Where have I seen spot picking before? A scrub going after a talented player on another team... hmm.

Starts at about the 1:40 mark.

#2563133 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 14 January 2015 - 11:46 AM

Kindl + 2nd or Smith for Petry seems like fair value to me.

I understand some people are high on Smith. If I'm being objective about this, he and Smith have similar PPG and Petry has more of a physical edge to his game. Smith was selected 27th overall in his draft year, Petry was 45th in his. Petry is only two years older than Smith, as well.

That said, I do think teams like Pittsburgh will offer more, especially with Maatta out for the season. Not to mention, if there is one guy I would count on wanting to come to Detroit this off season, it would be Petry. With some of the bigger names, I would think that spending assets to get them here would be a smart move, but I'm not sold on having to move assets to get Petry in Detroit. Only issue with that scenario that we'd have 8 defenders (Kronwall, Ericsson, DeKeyser, Quincey, Smith, Petry, Kindl and Lashoff) on the team, with Ouellet ready to come up. Some decisions would have to be made.

#2563103 1/13 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Sabres 1

Posted by Jesusberg on 14 January 2015 - 10:25 AM

Everybody knows my feelings on Babcock, but this was pretty classy of him:



Honestly, I was surprised to read this, too. Babcock's not usually one for sentiment, at least where hockey is concerned.

All I can picture is a kid at the grocery store, trying to contain his/her excitement. Their parent finally caves and says, "OK, you can get ONE chocolate bar", and the kid storms off at 100mph to grab one.

#2563097 TB's Paquette learns the hard way, don't start **** w Chara

Posted by Jesusberg on 14 January 2015 - 09:48 AM

If I had a gun with two bullets, and I was in a room with Hitler, Bin Laden and Jack Edwards, I would shoot Jack Edwards twice.

#2562747 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 12 January 2015 - 08:04 PM


I agree, in part.  My point is that while a solid puck mover is a necessary condition for being a contender, I don't think (given the way we've been playing) it's a sufficient one.  As such, I don't see Holland going out and getting one just to get one. 


If, however, we can string together some wins and play well against good teams (i.e. we're better than I think we are) then maybe Holland decides a puck mover is sufficient for Cup contention, and he pulls the trigger. 


Right now I think he's trying to figure out which is the case.  If the team wants a puck mover before the off-season, they better prove that they can run with the big boys. 

I get what you're saying, but I feel like the last time Holland did this was when he traded for Stuart. Outside of there being some sort of emergency, or him wanting to bring back a familiar face, Holland just seems content to stand pat. Admittedly, I'm glad he has for the most part, as it's been great to stock up on prospects again. I think this team is in a different place now, though.

I think it's time to pull the trigger on a deal for an offensive defender, whether we're in contention or not. I'm not sure we've got a bona fide top 4, offensive defender in Smith. Maybe it happens in a couple seasons, but I'm not really sold on it. Even if he has that potential, it seems evident that Babcock doesn't trust him, which makes me doubt he'll be played in a role where he can thrive. I know we don't have that in Kindl, and Ericsson has been suspect. In all honesty, Kronwall and DeKeyser are the only guys I trust in a top 4 role right now.

I think Detroit is in a place where they have a piece like Smith (who may flourish in another role, elsewhere), and some other pieces a bit further away like Sproul, Marchenko and Jensen, Backman's rights, a draft pick, one of the extra forwards on this team. I don't think they have the assets to land an elite guy, but I do think they can make a move for a top 4 guy. I'm not advocating a deal for the sake of it - I'm not for overpayment. However, I do think this team needs a legitimate offensive threat on the back end, and that they have the assets to pull it off. Even though I don't think it's likely, I think it's time for Holland to pony up and take a risk.

#2562686 McGratton on waivers

Posted by Jesusberg on 12 January 2015 - 02:45 PM


Except Holland will never go after a Prust, Dorsett or Stewart because they fight.  He doesn't care if they score goals and contribute as leaders somehow.  If you fight, Holland and Babcock don't want you.  Look how they ran Tootoo out of town because he actually fought.  They want their 4th liners to be faceless jobbers who the fans don't care about.    



If he ever reads your post and runs into you in public (or private), this is the look you'd get.  Please choose your words carefully.  



OK, well if you happen to talk to Brian anytime soon, here is a picture of Kip on vacation last summer. Tell him to swing first, and ask questions later.


#2562638 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 12 January 2015 - 12:11 PM

What does that translate into for us? Not getting him. There's no way Holland gives up the roster players / prospects / picks necessary to land Yandle, and personally, I'm okay with that. I don't want to give up the assets for a Yandle type player anyway.


I think it would cost us something along the lines of Smith, Tatar/Jurco, Ouellet/Marchenko and a pick... Way too much in my opinion...

I was going to say something along these lines. I imagine it would mean Smith, Jurco, Pulkkinen/Ouellet/Sproul + 2nd (at least).

Since we don't have a Krug, those other parts have to be more appealing, so the Jurco, Pulu, etc. would have to be included. Too much, for sure.

I actually think Boston could be better equipped than us to pull this off. Krug, Spooner/Griffith, Kelly+ high pick might be able to get it done. Though, like they say in the post, Boston needs to shed salary. The "young roster player" might be where Arizona would have to leave some wiggle room. The deal doesn't get done without Boston moving Kelly (or perhaps Eriksson, but I think he's still a solid player). If AZ is asking for someone like Smith or Soderberg, I think Boston laughs and walks. That deal itself seems a little steep, IMO, but I think Boston might get desperate. With Vermette looking like he's going to walk, Kelly might be somewhat appealing to the 'Yotes.


#2562611 Petry next Oiler to be shopped - FTLOG Kenny, get it done!

Posted by Jesusberg on 12 January 2015 - 10:25 AM


DeKeyser and Kronwall and Ericsson are all better than Petry.

Agreed, minus the crossed out part.

I really don't think Ericsson is better than Petry. They're fairly close in some respects, but I think Petry edges him out in a couple areas. I think Petry got more offensive capabilities, and is more physical. He has more blocked shots as well, but they are kind of moot, since Edmonton sees way more shots on net.

#2562608 Lines Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 12 January 2015 - 10:07 AM

If the second pair is just going to be a shutdown pair anyway, and provide relatively little offense, what do you guys think about moving dekeyser up with knonwall, and putting Ericsson with Quincey? I agree that Q and dekeyser have been good defensively, but if we can't figure out a transition game then I think we are going to continue to struggle.

I know this isn't going to be popular with anyone except for krsmith, but I'd actually try Smith up with Kronwall. If it blows up, switch it back. Isn't the definition of insanity trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? Kronwall-Ericsson isn't working - they've got 6 even strength points together, and they're not exactly a defensive stalwart. I think throwing Smith up there might actually generate some offense, and perhaps showcase him for a trade (krsmith won't like this part).

Ericsson just can't seem to keep it together this year. I like the idea of balancing pairs, regardless of where they're supposed to fit, (Top 4 vs. Top 6, etc.) but Ericsson hasn't brought much balance to the pair up to this point. Honestly, I would try DeKeyser up there with Kronwall as well, but I think trying this first kind of gauges where Smith is at, and also leaves our strongest pair together (for now).

#2562571 McGratton on waivers

Posted by Jesusberg on 12 January 2015 - 12:07 AM


They didn't.  But that's what all this talk amounts to.  I don't consider giving a 4th line spot to an enforcer as a big deal.  4th liners don't play many minutes anyway and are usually replaceable.  Nobody is saying let's sign tough guys and play them on the top line.    


Last I checked, Larionov, Robitaille and Holmstrom don't play on our 4th line.  Same thing with all the other teams in the league.  

OK. I can agree with the idea that 4th liners are, to varying degrees, replaceable players. So let's take a look at what's been this team most used combination on the fourth line: Miller-Gledening-Andersson. On this current team, I think it's very clear that you don't replace Drew Miller or Luke Glendening with an enforcer type player. Detroit is 5th on the PK in the league, and a whole lot of that has to do with Miller and Glendening. They both hit (not a ton, but enough), block shots and make smart defensive plays on a nightly basis. 

That leaves Andersson, who I fully admit is not an ideal 4th liner. Doesn't hit or block much - his ability to play on the PK is pretty much his only redeeming quality at this point. As I mentioned before, this team uses eight guys on the PP, leaving four to work the PK. In this case, Andersson's value is that he's not going to make guys like Sheahan or Abdelkader work on both the PP and PK.

I just don't get the idea of adding a player whose sole contribution to the team is dropping the gloves and "keeping people honest". I named a few guys who are effective in other ways (Dorsett, Prust, Roussel, etc.) who I would take over Andersson without a doubt, but all of them chip in offensively, or also work the PK. There is zero room for a "pure" enforcer type player on this team. It just doesn't fit this team's needs.

Not to mention, when this team's fully healthy, it's not using Andersson on the 4th line - it's likely Weiss or Helm. And I just hope you're not advocating using someone like McGrattan or Boll over either of those two.