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#2537831 Are the wings underrated?

Posted by Jesusberg on 30 September 2014 - 12:25 PM

If someone would pay 1 $ everytime that stupid injury thing is used, I'd be able to buy my own team by now.


The Wings are exactly rated where they should be, even with Babcocks heroic coaching and some young players (Goose, Tatar, Danny !!) taking over they barely made they playoffs. Even healthy this team didn't set the league on fire, the last 3 years have provided a very good example on where this team stands where it's going to be, period.


This is the exact same roster as last year just one year older and it's unfair to expect the young guns to carry the load again, because a. other teams are now aware of their skills - same goes for the MacKinnon's - and they might face better defenders b. sophomore slumps are going to happen wheter we like it or not. Boston exactly and even Chicago showed how you've to play against Wings ...bring a heavy game, intimidate them and be done with it.


1. "That stupid injury thing" impacts losing your high end talent, cohesion on the team and forcing players into unfamiliar situations. I'd say this team was lucky as hell that Goose responded the way he did. When you dress a full, healthy team, that depth gives you better chances up and down the line-up. You build on success and chemistry night in and night out, and it allows your team to get on a roll. When there's a constant rash of injuries, that kind of throws a wrench in things, wouldn't you think?


2. Yes, this is the same roster as last season. Thing is, it's also a healthier one. The biggest issue facing the older players is the wear and tear, but it's not like you're going to see a significant drop in ability for Datsyuk - I think he's already shown he looks better. Weiss looks much better, even though he's been given lumps of coal for line mates. As far as the kids carrying the team, I don't see it that way at all. With a healthy team (kind of important) the kids are playing against weaker competition. In saying that, Sheahan and Tatar have looked fantastic in the preseason, IMO. Nyquist isn't going to score goals at the same pace he did last season, but 20-25 isn't out of the question. Where some guys may have sophomore slumps, others may break out (I feel this way about Tatar) and have even better seasons. One year of older guys slowing down can also be a year of exponential growth for a younger ones - it's all about perspective.


What I will concede here is that we have the exact same defensive core, and if it's going to be used the same way it was last season ,THAT is a problem. They're not all that great at generating offense and getting the puck up ice quickly. If there are question marks anywhere on this team, I'd say it lies with the defense.


3. Yes, the Bruins intimidated Montreal all the way to losing to them in game 7. Speed kills - as do smart decisions with the puck. Detroit didn't do that and that's why they lost - they played poorly. They didn't play intelligent, fast-paced hockey. Again, going back to what I see as the big issue on this team, it's getting the puck up the ice in a timely manner from the defense. I still say that's their Achilles heel, and something that really needed to be addressed in the offseason. I think it's part of why this team hasn't made their next round of cuts - guys like Ouellet, Sproul, and now Jensen last night are turning Babs' head.

#2537583 9/29 Exhibition GDT : Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 3

Posted by Jesusberg on 29 September 2014 - 01:10 PM

I'm not sure those lines necessarily reflect ice time, but I guess we'll see. The Nose line had a heck of a game the other day, so I could see them getting some more time. On a side note, I like that Cally's getting plenty of games in. It means they're at least giving him a good look, I think.


From the Khan article for today's game:


Defensemen Jonathan Ericsson and Brendan Smith did not skate today due to groin/hip flexor issues. They are listed as day-to-day.

Smith was supposed to play tonight. Now he'll be replaced.

These five defensemen skated in the gameday group:


Xavier Ouellet-Alexei Marchenko

Aaron Rome-Nick Jensen

Ryan Sproul


So Sproul is healthy enough to play? I'd wager Backman takes Smith's spot and plays with Sproul, as has been the case during most of TC and the preseason. That's basically GR's defense core, outside of Paetsch and Evans (and minus Rome).

#2537580 Babcock "I don't think it will be my final year here"

Posted by Jesusberg on 29 September 2014 - 01:05 PM

I want him to stay, but I'm not nearly as opposed to a change as I was 2-3 seasons ago. I think there's something to the shelf life argument, and it's something Babs has mentioned himself. Not just players tuning him out (younger, new faces on the team combat that), but the idea that staying in one place too long can make a guy stagnant. 


In no way am I saying I want Babcock gone - I just don't think I'd be as torn up about it as I would have been a few seasons back. Change isn't the worst thing, sometimes.

#2537510 2014 Preseason Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 28 September 2014 - 01:52 PM

If not an enforcer. What is he?


A pest, a PK'er and someone who can chip in some timely goals. A guy who you hope turns into, best example I can think of, an Andrew Shaw? Brad Marchand-lite, even.

#2537488 2014 Preseason Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 28 September 2014 - 11:18 AM

"He didn't fight Chara's fist with his face... what a bum!"


:lol:... oh, you folks sometimes. You'd all run from Chara, too. And before you tell me that you're not a paid NHL'er, pretty sure that about 95% of them wouldn't either.

#2537438 2014 Preseason Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 27 September 2014 - 03:29 PM

That doesn't make any sense. Lashoff is a plug and Kindl was terrible last season. If one of the four prospects is better, why wouldn't you at least start them on the third pairing? Honestly, Ouellet already looks like he would be an upgrade from either Kindl or Lashoff.

Who are any of the prospects going to knock out of the top-four so early in their careers? You already have Kronwall, E, DeKeyser and possibly Smith plus the four million dollar man too. Let them take Kindl or Lashoff's job and grow into larger roles for the future.

The defense is bad. Why would you want to try the same group as last season? The only potential for development is going to come from Smith. I don't expect all four to make the team now, but one of them should get a shot.


Bingo. Bingo.


Babcock even says the team is looking for someone who can move the puck. The best players will play? If Kindl isn't SUPPOSED to be a puck mover, what is he supposed to be? I can understand keeping Lashoff as the #7 guy - he's got a low cap hit and you don't want a prospect sitting on the bench for the season. At this point Kindl is a below average offensive defender, Quincey is a below average defensive defender and Smith is an average offensive defender, with possible upside. Ouellet has essentially looked better than all of them in his, albeit short, time with the team thus far.


Don't pee in my boots and tell me it's raining, Mike.

#2537387 2014 Preseason Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 26 September 2014 - 11:33 AM

I think there's a difference between wanting a guy to fail, and thinking he's going to fail. Do I want Dan Cleary to have a 20-20 year and work on the PK? Absolutely, but I don't think that's going to happen. I think sometimes people get so caught up in disliking the decisions that a team makes, that they turn their focus to the player instead. I know I'm guilty of that (*cough* Quincey *cough*).


As far as the defense goes, I think Quincey is safe for now. If anyone should be worried, I think it's Kindl.

Ouellet's right on his heels, I'd say. So far he's looked completely in place on this team's blueline, and he played over 24 minutes last night. Perhaps it's just me, but I think Ouellet's is way ahead of the other three guys vying for spots right now. Sproul looked amazing on the PP, but definitely has to shore up his work in the defensive zone. Backman will need this season to transition to NA play, but once he does, he'll be very reliable. Marchenko is worrying me a bit - I hope his ankle injury doesn't prove to be an issue. He's looked a bit off so far, IMO.

#2536701 Training Camp Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 21 September 2014 - 02:33 PM

I really don't have an issue with Cleary IF he's playing at an effective level. What I do wonder is if spreading the forwards around so much is going to hurt the team at all. Camp lines are only camp lines, but they're running something like:





Miller-Glendening-Sheahan? (I think? I've seen Sheahan on a line with Jurco, though.)


It just feels weird to see the players spread around like that. I'm sure things will sort themselves out during the exhibition games, though.

#2536590 Training Camp Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 19 September 2014 - 11:03 AM

Imagine being a kid and seeing Z hit the ice and cheering your face off, and then Cleary jumps on with him and you just cry... I just witnessed that reaction. It may or may not have been from myself. I also may or may not be an adult.


On another note, look at that boxscore: Glendening, Wheaton and Llewelyn. Snipesville.


Edit: "Jurco just got hit in leg by Quincey shot during scrimmage...should be good but that will sting"


Quincey's already back to endearing himself to Wings fans all over.

#2536518 Mantha's Injury

Posted by Jesusberg on 18 September 2014 - 01:14 PM

Whether it's now, or in two months, I highly doubt Mantha will stick with the big club this season. That extra slide year on his ELC is simply to good for Holland to pass up. I assume he'll still get a look at some point, but he won't exceed the 9 games he's allowed to play without altering the slide.


It's a shame, though, as I think he could have really turned some heads in the pre-season. Hope he has a speedy recovery.

#2536357 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Jesusberg on 16 September 2014 - 05:54 PM

First glance, it seemed like a bit of an underpayment to me, but when you look at the cap comparable players it makes sense. Luca Sbisa, T.J. Brodie, Chris Tanev, Dmitry Orlov... all guys are 23-24 and have that possible upside. Not necessarily the same situations, but similar age and arguably, potential. It's a good deal.

#2536226 2014 Preseason Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 September 2014 - 01:32 PM

Here come about 12 "I told you so('s)" on Alfie and Helm... Wait for it, waaaait for it...


Why would Aaron Rome get a tryout? I get the whole competition thing but c'mon, this guy isn't going to provide any competition, even for a career #6/7/AHL guy Lashoff...


One theory thrown out by Malik, which I guess can understand, is that exhibition games can get a bit chippy. Makes sense to have someone watching over the kids during pre-season games. I highly doubt you'll see Rome actually get a deal - if they wanted someone permanent, they'd likely sign Evans to an AHL deal.

#2535952 Ericsson and Alfredsson not 100%

Posted by Jesusberg on 11 September 2014 - 11:10 AM

I see where you're coming from Jesusberg, but I don't see it being an issue whatsoever. His finger is healing, just not as fast as was originally thought because of how shattered the bone was. I think the only factor would be, which hand the broken finger is on. If it is on his right hand it could be a slight worry, however if it is his left hand it shouldn't effect his game at all. Still, until it causes him to miss games (which I highly doubt it will) I will remain optimistic.


Just checked the video of the shot block and it's his left hand. No issues with handling the puck, but I wonder how much pressure he can put on it. I still think re-injury is a concern, but you have a point about which hand is hurt. Maybe last season just has me a bit paranoid  :lol:

#2535949 Ericsson and Alfredsson not 100%

Posted by Jesusberg on 11 September 2014 - 10:52 AM

frankgrimes - translation - "Told you so..."


The more I think about it, the more worried I'm getting... I mean, I'm not so sure that Ericsson will be able to skate the same with his middle finger only at 95%... C'mon people, quit reaching...


And there were a lot of people that were completely okay with Alfredsson not being offered another contract this season, but now that he may not be 100% healthy, the sky is falling...


I can see the concern, though. While his skating is going to be unaffected, gotta wonder about his outlet passes/shooting. According to the article, he's having a hard time benching weight. The guy uses his strength to muscle guys around on the PK. I think it's also an issue of him getting hurt again, considering the way his finger was injured. Apparently they couldn't even put all the shards of bone back together, because they were too small. It's just worrisome.


As far as Alfie goes, you know I've been pro-Alfie throughout the entire off-season. I'm cool with the idea of keeping him around, even if he plays 60-65 games. It kind of sucks that he's having setbacks going INTO the season, though. You want him to at least start out healthy.


The sky isn't falling, but I think there's some room for concern (more on D than anything).

#2535945 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Jesusberg on 11 September 2014 - 10:42 AM

There is over $5.9M in cap space remaining once Jurco is sent down, more than enough to sign DeKeyser to a reasonable contract as well as Alfredsson to a bonus heavy contract. Both Alfie's and Cleary's bonus' can get bumped to next years salary cap, so that is not an issue. I don't believe that this DeKeyser situation (if you can even call it that) has anything to do with any other player (Quincey, Alfredsson, Cleary, or whichever other player you can think to blame). This is between Holland, DeKeyser and Morris (agent) and a deal will get done, DeKeyser will not miss any games because of this and there will be no bad blood once it is done.


I think people keep forgetting this. Jurco is included in CG's estimate for the Wings. Who even knows what's going to happen with Alfredsson. At this point, it seems like a deal with bonuses and a lower cap hit is what he'll be offered - 709K is good for about 70% of Alfie's expected cap hit for this season.

I'm still not a fan of the Quincey signing, though. The defensive core feels stagnant. You've got Quincey and Kindl who are, IMO, playing below what you expect out of guys who should be considered seasoned, second pairing defenders. You can make the argument that Smith and DD can still grow and improve over the next season or two, and Kronwall and E are obviously solid. I would much rather have one of the GR kids over Q or Kindl - at least let Ouellet, Sproul, Marchenko and Backman compete to see who'd earn the spot.