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#2562608 Lines Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 12 January 2015 - 10:07 AM

If the second pair is just going to be a shutdown pair anyway, and provide relatively little offense, what do you guys think about moving dekeyser up with knonwall, and putting Ericsson with Quincey? I agree that Q and dekeyser have been good defensively, but if we can't figure out a transition game then I think we are going to continue to struggle.

I know this isn't going to be popular with anyone except for krsmith, but I'd actually try Smith up with Kronwall. If it blows up, switch it back. Isn't the definition of insanity trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? Kronwall-Ericsson isn't working - they've got 6 even strength points together, and they're not exactly a defensive stalwart. I think throwing Smith up there might actually generate some offense, and perhaps showcase him for a trade (krsmith won't like this part).

Ericsson just can't seem to keep it together this year. I like the idea of balancing pairs, regardless of where they're supposed to fit, (Top 4 vs. Top 6, etc.) but Ericsson hasn't brought much balance to the pair up to this point. Honestly, I would try DeKeyser up there with Kronwall as well, but I think trying this first kind of gauges where Smith is at, and also leaves our strongest pair together (for now).




#2562571 McGratton on waivers

Posted by Jesusberg on 12 January 2015 - 12:07 AM

 

They didn't.  But that's what all this talk amounts to.  I don't consider giving a 4th line spot to an enforcer as a big deal.  4th liners don't play many minutes anyway and are usually replaceable.  Nobody is saying let's sign tough guys and play them on the top line.    

 

Last I checked, Larionov, Robitaille and Holmstrom don't play on our 4th line.  Same thing with all the other teams in the league.  


OK. I can agree with the idea that 4th liners are, to varying degrees, replaceable players. So let's take a look at what's been this team most used combination on the fourth line: Miller-Gledening-Andersson. On this current team, I think it's very clear that you don't replace Drew Miller or Luke Glendening with an enforcer type player. Detroit is 5th on the PK in the league, and a whole lot of that has to do with Miller and Glendening. They both hit (not a ton, but enough), block shots and make smart defensive plays on a nightly basis. 

That leaves Andersson, who I fully admit is not an ideal 4th liner. Doesn't hit or block much - his ability to play on the PK is pretty much his only redeeming quality at this point. As I mentioned before, this team uses eight guys on the PP, leaving four to work the PK. In this case, Andersson's value is that he's not going to make guys like Sheahan or Abdelkader work on both the PP and PK.

I just don't get the idea of adding a player whose sole contribution to the team is dropping the gloves and "keeping people honest". I named a few guys who are effective in other ways (Dorsett, Prust, Roussel, etc.) who I would take over Andersson without a doubt, but all of them chip in offensively, or also work the PK. There is zero room for a "pure" enforcer type player on this team. It just doesn't fit this team's needs.

Not to mention, when this team's fully healthy, it's not using Andersson on the 4th line - it's likely Weiss or Helm. And I just hope you're not advocating using someone like McGrattan or Boll over either of those two.




#2562473 McGratton on waivers

Posted by Jesusberg on 11 January 2015 - 12:21 PM

So if I'm driving on icy roads that haven't been salted yet, I know they are icy and I don't use caution when driving and get in an accident it's the city's fault right? I mean I knew the risks but I did it anyway but the city has an obligation to salt those roads


You've lived in Windsor too long, man. I know Uncle Eddie used all his money on the Aquatic Centre, but the city is supposed to salt the roads ;)




#2562458 McGratton on waivers

Posted by Jesusberg on 11 January 2015 - 10:19 AM

I personally hate staged fights, I feel like guys are hurting themselves for nothing. I agree with everything krsmith17 said, if an idiot like Lucic does something stupid to one of out players, I would love to have a guy that can step in, but only if that guy can also play hockey and is not just a goon.


Agree with most of what you've said, and I've agreed with this sentiment in the past, but I think Detroit isn't in a situation where they can't even afford to give up a spot to that type of player. We're pretty much devoid of offensive blueliners, so it takes 8 forwards to run this team's PP. Unless you're doubling up on someone, that leaves 4 guys for the PK.

Taking a look at the top 10 leaders in fighting majors, it's tough to find someone who could actually fit a need for this team. I see value in Dorsett, Prust, Roussel and Wilson. 

I'm surprised that Dorsett has chipped in what he has on offense, especially considering his TOI. I don't really like him as a player, but objectively, I'll admit he has some value. Roussel and Prust play some time on the PK, and chip in offensively. Both get more time than your average 4th liner, though. I don't see either guy being in this team's top 9, so I wonder how they'd fare here with less minutes. I'd give both of them a spot over Andersson without hesitation, but that has more to do with their overall game than their willingness to drop the gloves.

Wilson... I don't understand how he's being used, to be honest. He actually has potential, and is a whole other type of player. I'm sure when Washington clears up something on the right side, his role on the team is going to change.

The other 6 guys (Boll, Tootoo, Crombeen, Martin, McLeod & Borowiecki) I don't see as having much value, for one reason or another. All in all, it'd be nice to have an element to keep other players honest, but I think it's tough to find a guy who can do that and contribute on the 4th line.




#2562281 1/10 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Capitals 3

Posted by Jesusberg on 10 January 2015 - 04:10 PM

Yeah. That was me in the GDT.

I was sure Weiss would either play the rest of the game on the 4th line or not play at all. Turns out, he kept his spot in the 3rd, but barely played. I think Babcock sees the value of having him on the PP, but other than that, it's obvious that Weiss either isn't working hard enough or doing the things Babcock wants him to. Or both. Actually, they might be one and the same.

I'm OK with this. Except that it really annoys the hell out of me that guys like Weiss and Legwand get this treatment when Franzen gets a free pass each and every night.


Agreed. Both guys are scoring at a .67 PPG clip, yet one is averaging over 16 minutes a night, while the other is getting around 11:30. Babcock keeps saying he's in the business of winning every night, but I get the impression that he's in the business of winning his way, and only his way.

That's all fine and good, but the other guy you're playing about five more minutes a night isn't exactly busting his behind, either.




#2562242 1/10 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Capitals 3

Posted by Jesusberg on 10 January 2015 - 01:01 PM

I hope Pulkkinen puts a shot through the net, then looks right at Ovechkin. Maintain eye contact. Assert your dominance, Pulks.

4-2 for the good guys. Z, Abdelkader, Pulkkinen and Tatar.




#2562219 Lines Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 10 January 2015 - 09:41 AM

OK, which one of you asked Ansar this question. You little superstar, you.  :lol: 

Q: What exactly is it in (Kyle) Quincey's game that gets him top-four minutes? I play hockey at a very high level so I know what's going on and I 100 percent honestly don't see why Quincey continues to get top-four minutes, let alone even play every night. - Kelly




#2562093 McGratton on waivers

Posted by Jesusberg on 09 January 2015 - 04:57 PM

I just realized... No one has been protecting Tatar, Nyquist, Sheahan, and Jurco this entire time! That's why they haven't been able to perform at all...


False. Pavel has ties to the Russian mafia. That's better than two McGrattans, at least.




#2562078 McGratton on waivers

Posted by Jesusberg on 09 January 2015 - 04:38 PM

Yes I do who is protecting Johnny hockey, Monahan and Bartschi now? Is big Ern a goal scoring machine? No nor a defensive stud but he is a damn good team mate loved by the fans and an absolute gym freak with great work ethic. Hope some team claims him and then others have to respond, fighting is part of hockey and needs to come back

Brandon Bollig?




#2562063 McGratton on waivers

Posted by Jesusberg on 09 January 2015 - 03:53 PM

Guise, we need to have a eugoogly for the enforcer... RIP energy.

Seriously though, I wouldn't be THAT shocked if Boston claimed him.




#2562055 Lines Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 09 January 2015 - 03:03 PM

 

 

I was basically trying to identify options that people hadn't talked about already, and who were in the realm of possibility.  I agree that neither Barrie or Wisniewski are likely to be moved, and only included them because their teams are absolutely horrible.  That usually makes teams willing to listen a little more than they might otherwise prefer to, but agree that it would take a lot to pry them out. 

 

As far as Franson, I didn't put him on the list because A) We're all aware that he's availabe, and B) We're in the same division, and C) Toronto might just make the playoffs (and therefore keep him).  But yes, I'd have interest in Franson (as would everyone else in the league). 

 

 

I generally agree with your assessments across the board.  Except that I'd say this:  Wisniewski's "comments"  have been overblown on LGW since he made them.  His exact quote was something like "in my experience...um...uh...they (Detroit) don't usually pay market value...um...so I was looking elsewhere", or something to that effect.  Afterward those moderately critical (and totally true) comments morphed thereafter into "I don't want to play for that cheapskate Ken Holland".  I have no doubt that Wisniewski, or Kesler, or Rafalski, or Gordie Howe would accept a trade here  if his contract was guaranteed already and our team was better than the one they were on.  Such is the case with Wisniewski. 


Fair point. I just wonder if Holland would look past it, more than anything. Would he bring in a guy who said he doesn't pay players what they're worth? For some reason, I can see the phrase, "We're not sure he's a good fit for our team" coming from Holland.

You're right, though. Wiz already has his money, so that part of it wouldn't get in the way.




#2562046 McGratton on waivers

Posted by Jesusberg on 09 January 2015 - 02:52 PM

 

Then Detroit could claim him, and pay Lucic back for spearing DeKeyser, then wave him.

 

Then Montreal could..............

 

 

How about Boston claims him, and he can beat the s*** out of Lucic in practice every other day?




#2562041 McGratton on waivers

Posted by Jesusberg on 09 January 2015 - 02:46 PM

No. You stop it. You stop it right now.

Although, it might give Weiss a break from his current job - telling Glendening how good he is for 12 minutes a game.




#2562024 Time for Teemu?

Posted by Jesusberg on 09 January 2015 - 02:12 PM

Bacock on Pulkkinen's call-up last season:

 

“He just didn’t earn a spot,” Babcock said of Pulkkinen. “I’m just in the winning business. Can you help us or not.

“All players think they need more ice time to play better,” Babcock continued. “Coach thinks play better and you get more ice time.”

 

Sometimes I love Mike Babcock. More accurately, I love how Mike Babcock gets the team to win. Sometimes I see a quote like this, and Weiss on the 4th line. Then I go, "Uh huh... sure, Mike. I believe you."

I think it's more like, "Play the EXACT way I want, and I play you. If you're realgud and heavy on the puck... you make a mistake, maybe I turn the other way. If I don't like parts of your game, you'll make one mistake and ride the pine. Realgud bench warmer."

Gah.




#2561757 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 08 January 2015 - 10:38 AM

Also, I don't get why Pulkkinen is the guy everyone is throwing in trade scenarios. I get that we have a ton of other guys coming but he should be one of the last guys we consider trading at this point in my opinion.


He should be, but how likely are one of those other guys to be moved? It's not Holland's style to move people unless he absolutely has to, and when some of those other guys are Mule, Weiss and Helm, there are some obstacles in the way. With next season in mind, my must/should keep around guys up front are:

Nyquist-Zetterberg-Abdelkader
Tatar-Datsyuk-?
Jurco-Sheahan-?
Miller-Glendening-?

One of those question marks is Mule, one is Helm/Weiss and one is Cleary/Andersson. For me, they're assets worth looking into moving because they're not playing their role as other could, or because they're a bit redundant, IMO.

Believe me, I think Mule should be the expendable winger, because the wingers on the team now are younger, faster, etc. and I'd rather his spot be filled than theirs. With Weiss/Helm, I think it makes sense to keep one, not both. We've got Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Sheahan down the middle, so we really only need one who can shift to center from wing when the need arises. When Datsyuk leaves, we'll definitely need someone to help with the transition. That leaves Andersson and Cleary... I think it's clear what Holland should do with those two.

I guess my point is, it's easy to see which other guys should be traded, but how likely is it? Factor in their contracts (Mule, Weiss) and what they mean to this team beyond statistics (Helm). How likely is it that Holland wants to stick with "proven commodities", as opposed to making a spot for Pulkkinen, Mantha, etc.

As I said before this, I truly believe Pulkkinen's spot next year is as 13th/14th forward, based on what Holland decides to do with Andersson. Technically, Holland doesn't have to make any real decisions until next off-season, when Helm, Abdelkader and Miller are UFA. By then, I'm sure we'll all be going bonkers for Mantha and AA. The reality is, I'd like Holland to be progressive, instead of letting the team hit training camp, and reacting to who looks best... but he certainly doesn't have to be.