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#2525331 Alfie informs Wings he wants to return

Posted by Jesusberg on 23 June 2014 - 05:18 PM

Man, I don't care if the guy's 42, 45, 58 1/2 - it's one less spot for Dan Cleary.




#2524557 Detroit re-signs Gustavsson 1 yr $1.85 mill

Posted by Jesusberg on 19 June 2014 - 10:22 AM

Calling up Mrazek when Gus is hurt just lets him sit.  He doesn't get to play.  If he split games with Jimmy (not evenly of course) he'd get more NHL experience.  Again, imho, he's nothing more to prove in the AHL. 

Says who? He played 9 while he was called up this season. He'll play the majority of the games down in Grand Rapids (as he should), and if need be he'll come up and play a few in a Wings uniform. I don't know where this whole, "he's got nothing more to prove in the AHL" thing came about. He stole McCollum's job in his first year - while he was supposed to be the full-time starter this season, McCollum played the brunt of the games.

 

I truly believe that Petr needs a full season of 45-50 games as the Griffins starter, maintaining his numbers over that time. He shows great spurts of talent, but if I had to knock one thing about Mrazek it's his lack of consistency. He'll get a shutout one game, let in 4-5 the next. I'd like to see him get into a nice rhythm, personally.




#2524474 Dan Boyle's rights traded to the Islanders…..

Posted by Jesusberg on 18 June 2014 - 04:59 PM

 

As I did with someone else earlier, I numbered the parts of your message that I'm going to respond to because you contained a lot of information, some of which I agree with. 

 

1.  What's he going to teach the kids that Kronwall can't?  Is he that much wiser or more accomplished than Kronner?

 

2.  Signing old players and asking them to play big roles (top four d-man in Boyle's case) only increases the likelihood that injuries will continue to be a problem.  I see no reason to think that injuries to our key players (who are all old) are going to decline going forward.

 

3.  Singing Boyle to play alongside Kronwall, Dekeyser, Smith, and Ericsson ensures that only one of the three players you mentioned (nevermind Backman or Jensen) will see significant playing time until at least the end of Boyle's two year contract (which he's seeking).  Therefore, for at least the next two years the other two guys are riding the pine as the 7th d-man or playing in GR.  I'd prefer they get NHL experience if they're going to factor so heavily into our future plans. 

 

4.  If all we're getting is leadership we don't really need, and a bump in our powerplay (hopefully), why not sign Stephane Robidas for half that and use the savings to pursue a forward who isn't small and/or old and/or injured constantly?

 

Overall, I don't think you're hugely off base with your logic or anything.  I think we just disagree on the relative value of Boyle given where he's at in his career as well as where we're at in our rebuild. 

 

Edit:  Just so you know, the comment about Stephane Robidas is tongue in cheek.  I don't really want him.  I'm just saying he'd give you everything Boyle does, and more cheaply.

I'll do the same as far as numbering goes.

#1: I don't think he's got leaps and bounds more knowledge than Kronwall does, but I think that if you look at both careers, Boyle is superior offensively. Now is that in part because San Jose has been an offensive juggernaut for years/Kronwall was playing on a second pairing? More than likely, but I still think he's got some great offensive knowledge that can be passed onto the kids, namely Smith, Sproul, Ouellet and Jensen.

#2: I think we look at defense cores differently. Maybe it's just me, but I see teams using a balance going forward now, with all the parity in the league. While I do think there can be monster top pairings, (Keith-Seabrook, Bouwmeester-Pietrangelo, Markov-Subban) I think that the league in general is getting away from stacking players, and going more for balance. In our case, while I think DeKeyser has a lot to offer going forward, I'm not sure he should be counted on for his own pairing. I think balanced minutes and balanced pairings are the way to go in the league, now. Kronwall-Smith, DeKeyser-Boyle, Ericsson-Sporul/Marchenko. I don't think that's a demotion to Ericsson - rather, I feel like he's being put in charge of his own pairing and helping to balance out a rookie. Boyle would be doing the same for DeKeyser, as Kronwall does for Smith.

#3: I can see the argument in the second year of Boyle's (potential) deal. I wouldn't want to see a NHL-ready Ouellet, Sproul, Marchenko sitting in GR, either. I think someone (Dickie Dunn?) has mentioned that Lashoff is essentially the perfect 7th guy. He's cheap, still young and not good enough that he should be threatening for a top 6 spot with any merit. I wouldn't want to see any of those guys with potential wasted, either. That being said, we have another problem without factoring Boyle into the mix. We've got Kronwall, Ericsson locked up, and Smith and DeKeyser as probable keepers moving forward. Trying to shove Sproul, Ouellet, Backman, Marchenko, etc into the mix... there's clearly a logjam. In a perfect world, I'd move Smith as part of a deal for a legitimate top pairing guy in his prime, but that's another story and pipe dream in my estimation.

#4: I'd have no issue with Robidas, if that's what I thought this team needed. To be totally honest, I'm not even that high on Dan Boyle (believe it or not). I just think that given our set of circumstances, he's the most beneficial and realistic option for this off season. Niskanen is going to cost too much (term and salary), Gilbert is a poor man's PP specialist, the kids aren't there YET, etc. The team needs a PP boost, a right-handed shot and someone to help get the puck up ice. Right now I think Dan Boyle fits that need.

I don't think we're that far off on the logic here, either. I can see your argument, and I agree with our differing opinions on Boyle value. I also think we have differing philosophies when it comes to the next step for the team, but as you've said, I can see both sides of it. 




#2524456 Dan Boyle's rights traded to the Islanders…..

Posted by Jesusberg on 18 June 2014 - 03:18 PM

 

Exactly, which is why I'm advocating we either A) acquire multiple impact players, or B) have faith that our kids will be impact players and then give them roster spots and ice time to prove it.

 

There's no combination of Boyle + Kids that makes us good enough to compete for a Cup before he retires at the end of whatever contract he signs this year.  And by signing him and nobody better, you've already conceded that you're not winning anything next year.  So even in the best case scenario you've only got a one year window of opportunity for him to be a "piece of the puzzle".  At which point he'll be 39 years old and will have declined further than he already has.

 

All for about 5 million a year. 

So then C) Acquire Boyle and allow him to pass on knowledge (not just faith) to the kids, helping along their ability to become impact players isn't an option? Ok, I guess.

It's easy to say there's no combination of Boyle + prospects that help us compete for a Cup, but I don't feel that to be true. At the very least, I'm not going to write off a team that suffered all the injuries that they did this past year. Nor do I think that signing Boyle would be conceding to failure - rather, it would be preparing the kids better.

I feel like the argument being presented is working in extremes. "We go for the cup, or we let the kids sink/swim. Signing Boyle means we're giving up." I can kind of see the basis for your argument, but at the same time I don't see at all how singing a PP specialist, vet is going to hurt the process of creating solid defenders out of Ouellet, Sproul, Marchenko, etc. I personally think that having two of those three guys in the line-up, next season, is rushing things a bit. They've all had one year in GR.

As far as the whole 5 million tag, the last thing this team needs to worry about is the cap. They're comfortable, and the RFA's who need to be signed aren't going to take up that big of a chunk.




#2524448 Dan Boyle's rights traded to the Islanders…..

Posted by Jesusberg on 18 June 2014 - 01:53 PM

 

How is he going to help the kids any more than the vets we already have?  We're not Edmonton, we've got tons of highly successful veterans on our team.  And also, anything you gain in that regard is offset by the fact that he's old, slow, small, and even in his best years was only ok at actually playing defense. 

Because he's a great asset on the PP, even in his diminished state. Outside of Kronwall, who is really effective on the powerplay on this team? Seriously?

Even then, it's been mentioned by Wings' brass on several occasions that they sorely miss Lidstrom's ability to get pucks through on the PP. I'm a huge Kronwall fan, but that's something he struggles with - a year ago, Kindl was doing it better than he was. I don't think Dan Boyle is the answer, but I do think he has a place and role on this team. I don't believe he's the useless void that many feel he would be on this team. At worst, the guy is a powerplay specialist, a right-handed shot and someone who can get the puck up the ice better than most of our defenders.

I understand he's long in the tooth and has certainly lost a step, but I feel like he can help this team and its young players more than most people think.




#2524445 Shawn Thornton will not be returning to the Bruins

Posted by Jesusberg on 18 June 2014 - 01:42 PM

 

Helm isn't a 4th liner and won't be next year.  


 

Why this team?  Are we more skilled than others?  Why can Thornton play for Boston all these years but not us?  

 

Not like the Bruins needed him in order to be tougher than other teams.

 

 

BTW, I don't want a Thornton, just a younger player like him.   

If Weiss is healthy, I would assume Helm will be on the 4th line - especially considering his injury issues. Datsyuk-Weiss-Sheahan-Helm. Unless you're thinking the team is going to play Helm above Sheahan, in which case, perhaps. Additionally, it still doesn't address the fact that Drew Miller is a very effective 4th liner.

And "this team" because that's this team's philosophy. Holland's not going to go after a "pure" enforcer - it's not his M.O., it's not this team's M.O. Maybe Boston could have a Thornton BECAUSE they're more skilled, overall. It's hard to argue that they're not a better team - whether that's because of overall structure, or skill... it is what it is. They can afford to have a guy in that role, but they're also letting him go for a reason. This Detroit team needs as many contributing players as possible - they can't afford to have someone whose sole responsibility is to patrol the ice.

I don't dislike hockey fights, but the days where guys scrap to scrap are clearly being weeded out.




#2524411 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by Jesusberg on 18 June 2014 - 11:42 AM

Come on you guys... Emmerton and Tootoo are gone. Good chance that Grant and Evans are probably gone from GR, too. We need some vets down there. Leadership. Hoo-rah.

'Cause that's where Dan-o's going. GR, right? Right?




#2524235 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by Jesusberg on 17 June 2014 - 12:37 PM

The issue is, this team should have been last year's opening roster. A starting, healthy forwards corps on this team is very respectable:

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Alfie
Mule-Weiss-Nyquist
Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco

Miller-Helm-Andelkader

 

Scratches:

Andersson

Glendening

It's when you throw in those past-their-prime vets, and incur an insane number of injuries that things go south. I really think the forwards on this team are solid. That healthy line-up, along with a boost on the back-end would fare well, IMO.




#2524228 Eaves is OUT in Nashville

Posted by Jesusberg on 17 June 2014 - 12:21 PM

Eaves seems to be in that tough position where he's not physical enough to be a consistent 4th liner (including injuries), and not skilled enough to play on a 3rd line. He's got really high IQ on the PK, but he's had such terrible luck getting hurt. I wish the guy nothing but the best.




#2524227 Shawn Thornton will not be returning to the Bruins

Posted by Jesusberg on 17 June 2014 - 12:16 PM

Miller-Helm are our 4th line, and they're hot garbage? Right.

Helm basically speaks for himself, but Miller was 5th in the league in PK time per game, 15th in blocked shots among forwards. He was also 2nd on this team (behind Abdelkader) in hits. Miller is a perfect 4th liner, sans your desire for him to drop the gloves. I get it, you like to see guys drop the gloves and police the ice, but a player that does only that will NEVER be on this team. Ever.

Any enforcer-type player who plays for this team is going to have to be successful at more than one thing. I look at guys like Hendricks, Roussel, Maroon, Crombeen, etc... they put up some points, or work on the PK as well. Thronton is a thug who can't skate, score or play on the PK. No place on this team for a guy as limited as that.




#2524206 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by Jesusberg on 17 June 2014 - 11:18 AM

Just when I was applauding management for stocking the cupboards with some young FA's, this... jesus, Kenny and co.

Stop. Let Dan go. It's done.




#2524078 Wings sign Tomas Nosek to 2 year entry level deal

Posted by Jesusberg on 16 June 2014 - 07:40 PM

I really don't see the issue with adding some younger guys who will (Nosek, possibly Sekac), for better or worse, reveal if they're going to work out sooner rather than later. The Wings are letting several UFA's go, and I'm guessing that along Emmerton going to the KHL, Parkes and Coetzee probably won't be qualified. Nothing wrong with stocking the shelves with some players who aren't 17-18.




#2523602 Spezza Requests Trade

Posted by Jesusberg on 12 June 2014 - 11:25 AM

I disagree he has decent size IIRC. And is a short term answer at 2c until we see if Weiss will be and a long term answer at 1c once dat retires. He is a perfect guy to have for the next 4-8 years depending how long he maintains his level of play.

Yup just looked 6 3 220. AND for those who don't know....IS A RIGHTY

He might be 6'3, and 220... but he's also S-A-W-F-T, saaaawft.

As far as his actual destination, I think a Spezza for Kesler swap makes a ton of sense, but I'm sure they'd want to tweak it beyond a straight up deal.




#2523079 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by Jesusberg on 06 June 2014 - 10:30 PM

The guy's getting under 4 million per year, and he's in the top 60 forwards in the league for points per game.

You can argue that he's not what you, Ken Holland and Mike Babcock wanted him to be. You can argue that Hossa is a better player and they should have kept him. You can argue that he gets lazy and hasn't played to his potential... but what's the point? Seriously.

The truth of the matter is that he's worth the money he's being paid, and there's basically no chance the team gets rid of him. The argument is mind boggling to me. He's an exceedingly frustrating player to watch, but he's here to stay. He's a good complimentary player, and he's being paid a fair amount of money for that role.




#2522936 Dan Boyle's rights traded to the Islanders…..

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 June 2014 - 06:23 PM

I'm going to disagree with you guys and say that he's the kind of short term solution the Wings need before guys like Sproul and Ouellet are #3/4 dmen... he signs for 2 years at 5 a year under a familiar coach and mentors the kids (some North American leadership)

 

Let's not forget that Boyle is a pretty rugged player, at 38 he played more games than most of the Wings roster last year..

A number of people who post here are pretty pro-Boyle (or just pro veteran, right handed defender). When it comes to the Wings' defensive situation for next season, there are pretty much three trains of thought.

#1: Niskanen! Niskanen!
#2: Sign Boyle for 1-2 seasons and let one of the kids mature on the third pairing.
#3: Let the kids play (Two of Ouellet, Marchenko and/or Sproul up with the Wings)