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#2625136 Over/Under for Larkin's time as a Red Wing in 15/16

Posted by Jesusberg on 10 September 2015 - 01:27 PM

I knew he wore 19 with UofM, and 21 with USA, but he wore 25 with the Griffins, and in Red Wings training camp. I just assumed he was taking number 25... 71 is completely random and there must be some mistake there...

Well with Ericsson having 52, Green went to 25. I guess 71 kind of looks like 21? Only thing I can think of, to be honest.

#2625111 Cleary re-signs... 1 year deal

Posted by Jesusberg on 10 September 2015 - 11:09 AM


I don't know about that.  Jeff Blashill heaped praise on Hoggan, Paetsch, and Evans for being decent AHL players, but more importantly for being on ice leaders, advisors, and mentors for young players.  I don't hear anybody complaining that 38 year old Jeff Hoggan was just given a new contract despite the fact that he'll almost certainly not play in the NHL, and if he did...he would suck. 


Cleary is in the exact same position, he just makes more money.  Who cares?  His salary doesn't count against the cap, he's likely not going to take up a roster spot (barring HUGE injury woes), and if he does it will only be temporary and will only cost 900K. 


He was signed because he's not ready to stop playing, the organization wants him around, and because (here's the most important part) both his wishes and the organizations' could be satisfied without negatively impacting the big club in any way (nobody loses a roster spot, no money against the cap). 

Maybe because Jeff Hoggan is signed to an AHL deal, earned his one-year deal last season and is the captain of the Griffins? I'm not the biggest fan of signing players based (mostly) on their leadership skills, but I understand that those guys have their place. It gets a little out of hand when it seems like overkill, and there's a big logjam within the organization. For example, I'm glad that Evans went to Texas with XO, Marchenko, Jensen, Sproul, Russo, Lashoff and Paetsch taking up spots in GR. At this point, I think there's plenty of veteran leadership in the organization - in Detroit and in Grand Rapids.

It's not necessarily one thing or the other with Cleary - it's a combination of things. It's certainly not that I'm worried about the impact of his contract on the cap or the Wings' roster. It's more that he's taking up another contract, which was handed to him. The reason (seemingly) he's been given his last three contracts is because he's chummy with Ken Holland. Maybe he can play at the AHL level and provide leadership, but so can Hoggan, Grant, Miele and Tangradi (I'm stretching a bit here). I just think the organization is set up well without Cleary, and that he didn't earn the contract.

I will concede, however, that if Grand Rapids didn't have both Grant and Hoggan, I'd probably be less annoyed (not that it matters, I'm just throwing it out there).

#2624852 Kings Insider: Kopitar contract-extension not even close

Posted by Jesusberg on 07 September 2015 - 12:20 PM


I think we could afford it to. We only have 3 major RFA's (DD, Mrazek, Sheahan), and potentially we have Helm, Abby, Richards, Miller, Cleary, Andersson, and Quincey coming off the books (about 15million). If Mrazek proves he can be the guy, we also always have trading Howard option as well, would would clear another 5.5 million.

Honestly, I think that between the raises the RFA's receive, plus the cap hit for the returning UFA's, there won't be much room. Of course, that depends on how much of a raise you think certain guys will gets, but even at some conservative estimates, I doubt Detroit has the cap space. Dropping Howard's 5.2M would help, for sure, but I think the number Kopitar would be looking for would be too much.

#2624848 Kings Insider: Kopitar contract-extension not even close

Posted by Jesusberg on 07 September 2015 - 11:43 AM

One of my favorite non-Wings in the league. I'd absolutely love to have him here, but considering how much he'll command...

Los Angeles absolutely has to get this done. With all of the off-ice issues recently, they need a positive. Little to no depth down the middle for the Kings, either.

#2624807 Cleary re-signs... 1 year deal

Posted by Jesusberg on 06 September 2015 - 05:21 PM

In no way does he sound the least bit sour or "salty" in that quote... People can hate on Cleary all they want but this signing does not affect the Detroit Red Wings in any way, neither short term, not long term.

I don't even believe that the argument of him taking a spot from a young prospect, such as Nastasiuk holds true. If Zach can't beat out Dan in a battle for a spot in the lineup, he doesn't deserve the spot, plain and simple. I'd be shocked if Cleary plays any more than 20-30 games with Grand Rapids this season, and he surely won't play any more than 5-10 in Detroit...

Typical LGW, looking for something, anything to complain about. But, hey it's been a long offseason. Bring on development camp / training camp / pre-season... and of course regular season!

Perhaps we're not on the same page with the Dan Cleary salty-sour spectrum. I'm not saying he's being a whiny little s*** about it, but he clearly doesn't wanna sit on the bench. If he didn't want to play, he'd take an advisor or consultant role with the team. I think you're mixing up hatred with exasperation. I don't hate Dan Cleary, I'm just tired of him hanging around as an ineffective player.

Neither of us can say what kind of impact he truly has/had on this team. Maybe he's helped a young player out and improved his work ethic, making that player better for it down the road. Maybe some of his work ethic rubs off on the guys down in GR this season. Maybe he's made a young player vying for a roster spot (Tatar and Nyquist two years ago) gunning for a roster spot feel like the Red Wings are too loyal to their established players. What we can say for sure is that some of his bonus money from last season is biting Detroit in the hind end this year (740K) and the team is at 49 contracts with his signing. Is it the end of the world? No, but it's not necessary, either. What's the benefit of having Dan Cleary on this team as a player instead of a coach?

Again, if Cleary is going to be limited to 20-30 games with GR or 5-10 with DET, then what's the point of returning as a player? Hang 'em up and take a role similar to the one Chelios has now. And for the record, I'm not looking for anything to complain about. I didn't want him signed two years ago, I still don't want him signed. The bottom line for me is that Dan Cleary can do every thing he will with DET/GR as a consultant instead of a player. He just doesn't seem to want to let go.

#2624675 Cleary re-signs... 1 year deal

Posted by Jesusberg on 04 September 2015 - 04:07 PM

You beat me to it.

****leaves LGW for a few days*****

Nobody wins in a race to announce Dan Cleary's return.

#2624629 So this is why teams hate the wings

Posted by Jesusberg on 04 September 2015 - 11:20 AM


This seems to be the new trend/style in coaching. The Jon Cooper buddy buddy system. Instead of the old school, no BS, Babs/Scotty way... you show the players respect, come down to their level, work with them, hold their hands, zip up their dresses for them, wipe their bottoms, and braid their hair for them.

And it brought them to the Stanley Cup Finals last year. Time for some Red Wings to look pretty.

#2624622 So this is why teams hate the wings

Posted by Jesusberg on 04 September 2015 - 10:41 AM

That's what stood out to me - "him and us". Seems pretty clear that the room was tired of Babcock - probably years of minor issues that built up. Guys going to Z or other leaders on the team with their issues. The majority of the players who have been asked about the coaching change mention, in one form or another, about how Blashill treats them with respect/builds good relationships. Seems like an indirect way of saying that Babcock s*** on some of the players during his time in Detroit.

And for the record, I welcome the coaching change. I'm looking forward to seeing what Blashill does with this group. I'm hoping that he allows some of the younger guys to flex their muscles, offensively. I just know that some of the structure he uses is similar to Babs'. I'm just hesitant to get too excited, only to see more of the same.

#2624275 Good salary cap and stat websites? (Capgeek replacements)

Posted by Jesusberg on 31 August 2015 - 03:16 PM

It's think it's pretty hard for us to judge which one is correct or reliable. Hockey's cap says we're 964,545 over the cap. General Fanager says we have 375,457 cap space left and Nhlnumbers say we have 385,000 under the cap. I wonder what's up with the discrepancy.


I like the General Fanager's about page, though. They basically say they loved Capgeek and trying to carry on for them and they include links to a few cancer organizations.


Edit: Got to the bottom of it: hockey's cap includes ferrarro while the others don't. nhlnumbers includes Lashoff while the others don't. There might be a couple differences that I didn't catch.

Cap Friendly uses 16 forwards, including Ferraro/Andersson and Miele.
Hockey's Cap uses 15 forwards, including Ferraro/Andersson.
General Fanager uses 14 forwards (no Ferraro), but it doesn't account for the $740,000 in carryover overage bonus money.

Hockey's Cap likely has the most accurate number, IMO. Detroit has to pay that carryover money, as far as I know. Of course, Detroit's going to start the year with Datsyuk on LTIR, so...

Either way, Hockey's Cap is likely only off by 815K (Andersson) or 600K (Ferraro), depending on who you think will eventually get sent down. That's just my take, anyway.

#2624046 Moving Jimmy Howard

Posted by Jesusberg on 28 August 2015 - 08:58 PM

Everyone seems to only remember the shutouts that Mrazek got, and completely forget the very next game when he was consistently pulled. Mrazek had one good playoff series and a very inconsistent regular season, and that's not enough to give him the number 1 job and get rid of the insurance.

This. People either forget about this, or they're blinded by the "newness" of Petr. These are some save percentages he posted last season - usually a rough outing, followed by a very solid one:

.840 - .971
.813 - .933
.857 - .962
.667 - .957
.765 - .977
.895 - 1.000

Clearly, he's got the ability to bounce back after ugly games, but he's gotta work on his consistency. So yeah, I definitely agree. It's good to have another solid goalie while he develops... you know, like that Jimmy Howard guy.

#2623381 2015-16 Grand Rapids Griffins

Posted by Jesusberg on 18 August 2015 - 08:22 AM

Saw it posted in another thread and agree with the idea of there being such a thing as "too much" depth. Quincey's pretty much gone next season, but the Wings will still have six defensemen signed at the NHL level. They'll have the four defensive prospects we already discuss having to pass through waivers (XO, Marchenko, Jensen and Sproul), plus Russo chomping at the bit for one job in the NHL? Unless they're treating this season as a "one last shot" scenario for Kindl and Smith, with the intention of moving the one who impresses the least?

Internal competition is one thing; this is a clogged drain. Plus, I think the defense core in Detroit is solid enough that one of those young guys should step in ASAP. Jump into a good situation on the bottom pair and learn from there. In particular, I don't think Marchenko has anything left to prove at the AHL level.

#2623212 Abdelkader entering contract year, possible $4M extension?

Posted by Jesusberg on 16 August 2015 - 08:00 PM

So because he is from Michigan he automatically gets to cash in? I love Abby, he plays hard and is versatile, but I don't think he is worth 4 million unless he can string together. Few solid seasons.

Hate to see another bad contract....

I just don't get the mentally on paying someone on their future potential instead of their previous track record.

Not because he's from Michigan, but I'm sure it factors in for management, along with the other aspects of Abby's game that were mentioned. For what he brings, 4 million is pretty much the norm. He and Kesler are comparable in several ways - scoring, hitting, some "fancy stats". Kesler's going to be making 6.8 million starting in 2016-17. Beleskey is another guy who I think is comparable to Abdelkader. He's getting 3.8M for five seasons after scoring 20+ goals once.

If Abdelkader can replicate his 2014-15 season, he's going to get around 4 million.

#2622345 Free agents this off season

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 August 2015 - 04:11 PM

That won't happen. We'd lose him if he were on waivers. 


I think it's silly to assume that the #1 tag belongs to either one at this point. Howard has the experience and Mrazek is surely held in high regards by Blashill. Unless an injury takes one of them out or one severely under-performs, there's no reason to believe that they won't split starting time.

Exactly my train of thought on this one. I almost feel like Petr needs to look better during training camp/preseason to get the first starts, but ultimately they're going to split the first 20 games pretty evenly. Basically, I think Howard starts the first game or two of the year, but Mrazek is going to be given a chance very early and run with it. As long as Petr or Howie don't play themselves out of starts, it's going to be a balanced schedule for both guys, IMO.

#2620631 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 July 2015 - 12:30 PM


It's like when your trying to go play street hockey with the boys and your mom tells you to bring your little brother, and you cry and moan because you don't want to bring him. He's not even bad at a street ball, he's just your dorky little brother and you don't want him around.


Then one day your going to a nearby parking lot to take slapshots at parked cars and your mom says "bring your little brother with you". But your brother says he doesn't feel well. So you tell him he better stay in and get some rest and that you hope he feels better... but secretly you'd wish he'd stay sick forever. 

That's some passive-aggressive Cain and Abel stuff right there.


There will be no s*** storm, not even a fart parade when it comes to Franzen.  I do, unfortunately, understand the financial side of it and the possible ways he can hurt us more against the cap.  If he Is going to be the 13th forward and bump Andersson/Ferraro/Callahan to waivers, I would rather Holland address this issue now and try to trade to odd kids out so at least you don't lose them for nothing. The NHL is a business and I understand having to make decisions based on money first.


So, that being known, lets look at who will really be the odd men out with Franzen healthy enough to float around the ice:


WITH Franzen, they have 13 forwards signed, Jurco and Pulk would make 15 and with Callahan it makes 16. You have to think that Jurco and Pulk (barring a trade) would be the choices over Ferraro, Callahan or Andersson. So with your 14 forwards set with Jurco and Pulk rounding themout you will have to waive/trade 2 of Ferraro, Callahan and Andersson, there will nZERO room on this team if Franzen starts the season healthy.








Sure there is a chance they clear, and they wouldn't be a huge loss I guess, but I just hope that Holland has a trade up his sleeve or two of these guys because at least getting a pick would be fine.  Also, there are a few players in GR WITH exemptions left that could be called up if Franzen goes LTIR, or if there are any other injuries, that wouldn't have to clear waivers to be sent back down. I am  not even entirely sure that an injury call up has to clear waivers...


Sure the loss would be minimal, so long as it gets us some kind of compensation in return, but to lose them for ZERO return for a roll of the dice with Franzen is not a good thing.

I'll level with you - I think it would be a mistake to have Jurco or Pulkkinen on the fourth line, which is what will likely happen if Mule is healthy. Is it an ideal situation? Definitely not, but what can you do with Franzen? As others have pointed out, there's too much risk in trying to move his contract, waive him, buy him out, etc. Ken Holland signed him to this deal, and the team is stuck with him. It's not about rolling the dice with Franzen, it's about making a calculated decision and not making a situation worse. Best case scenario occurs when Mule is at full health and contributing 20+ goals. Regardless of his play, his cap hit, his term or whatever, I like guys who can score 20+ goals for this team.

Honestly, I don't think you're getting a pick for guys you may or may not lose on waivers. Personally, I like Callahan's game and I would enjoy having him on Detroit's fourth line. If it doesn't happen, it's not the end of the world, though. A healthy Franzen can make or break a playoff series - you can't say that about Mitch Callahan.

#2620623 Free agents this off season

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 July 2015 - 12:17 PM

If Detroit manages to move one of Kindl/Quincey, I would much rather that extra spot be used for prospects. I would like to see Ouellet, Marchenko and Jensen rotated into the lineup this year (don't think Sproul is ready, but we'll see how his season goes). With the money they have tied up now, plus raises due to DeKeyser, Abdelkader, Helm and Sheahan next season, I would be hesitant to sign a guy like Franson.

Edit: As much as I harp on Smith, I think he and Marchenko looked good during their brief time together last season. I would be comfortable with using that as Detroit's third pair on defense.