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#2568598 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 February 2015 - 06:08 PM

Considering the kind of bidding war that may occur for Franson, I don't think that a 2nd + Callahan/Ferraro will be enough.

I do, however, disagree that players who pass through waivers have little to no value. At the point in the season that those two passed through, teams were moving forward with their own prospects and trying to see what they might have to offer. There's a much higher chance that someone puts in a waiver claim during the season than at the beginning of it. Not to mention, if a guy has a solid year, passing through waivers has little to no impact on his value later in the season.




#2568559 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 February 2015 - 04:25 PM

Franson turned down $5.5M(I believe) from TO, although I think that maybe that was just a kind way of saying he wants out!  I can see him getting $6Mish somewhere. Could it be here? Stay tuned!

 

It was 4.6, apparently. 

http://www.sportsnet...afs-cant-agree/




#2568555 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 February 2015 - 04:21 PM

Me likey... http://www.hockeybuz...p?post_id=66148

 

 

 

“I think what you always do (have to remember) is it’s called trade,” Babcock said. “It’s not Christmas, it’s trade, so you’ve got to give something to get something. What my job is and what Blash’s (AHL Grand Rapids coach Jeff Blashill) job is, is to develop players so we create as many assets as we can. Sometimes you end up with too many guys for one spot and you can make a move to make your team better. The general manager’s job is to weigh the current cost vs. the current gain vs. the future damage. That’s the decision time for every team in the league, not just for (GM) Ken (Holland) and myself.”

 

Not the whole window closing thing, but you know... the mentality of wanting to make a move. 




#2568411 Marchenko recalled from GR... Ouellet sent down

Posted by Jesusberg on 04 February 2015 - 10:31 PM

 
Doesn't that seem odd?  I mean, you wouldn't expect that the Wings would want Ouellet and/or Marchenko up in Detroit if they weren't going to play.  And, it doesn't really seem preferable to have them both in the top six at the same time.  Is one of Kronwall/Ericsson/DeKeyser/Quincey/Smith hurt or something?  It doesn't really add up otherwise, does it?


What Mabus said. With Mule on IR, they're only carrying 13 forwards right now. They promised Ouellet he could go on the father-son trip, thus the call-up.


#2568246 Report: Red WIngs interested in Franson

Posted by Jesusberg on 04 February 2015 - 11:32 AM

I didn't say anything about not likely rentals, I'm really not sure where you're getting that... I've actually said numerous times that I would like a rental, as long as it doesn't involve any of our high end prospects or roster players (unless it's Kindl or Andersson...). Hence, why I would do a trade for a lower-end prospect (Ferraro) and a second or third, but not for a higher-end prospect (Athanasiou / Pulkkinen) and a first. And that goes for Franson or Green or whoever...

 

Perhaps I misread some of your comments about hanging onto homegrown talent/waiting to sign guys until the off-season. My mistake.

Edit: You were talking about not moving Smith for a rental - must've been what I was thinking of.




#2567788 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 02 February 2015 - 10:17 AM

Personally, I think Green would probably cost less than Yandle or Myers. That being said, I don't think Washington has a reason to move him at the deadline, considering their success.




#2567664 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 01 February 2015 - 12:01 PM

While I wouldn't hate landing Myers, I think I'd hate the assets we'd have to part with for him. I'm actually rooting for the Ducks to get him.

I wonder what the "two pieces and a draft pick" for Yandle are. If those pieces are Smith and Pulkkinen, I pull the trigger. If they're something like DeKeyser and Nyquist/Tatar/Mantha, I show Don Maloney that .gif of himself and laugh at him.




#2567661 Larkin or Mantha?

Posted by Jesusberg on 01 February 2015 - 11:34 AM

I'll take Larkin over Mantha. Mantha's the flashy guy, but I really think Larkin is built for this team. He's got "everydayer" written all over him.

I remember being so pissed off when Detroit drafted Sheahan - I wanted Etem. Shows what I know.




#2567573 1/31 GDT : Islanders 1 vs. Red Wings 4

Posted by Jesusberg on 31 January 2015 - 04:41 PM

Know what's great about the Detroit Red Wings this season? I'm never surprised when they score goals.

Well, Smith and Ericsson, yes... but you get the point.




#2567520 1/31 GDT : Islanders 1 vs. Red Wings 4

Posted by Jesusberg on 31 January 2015 - 04:13 PM

Did Weiss get knocked down to the 4th line for missing that pass on the PP?

Tread lightly, sweet prince.




#2567438 1/31 GDT : Islanders 1 vs. Red Wings 4

Posted by Jesusberg on 31 January 2015 - 03:35 PM

Solid play there by Marchenko. Did not expect Smith to be able to shoot it like that. Damn.




#2567294 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 31 January 2015 - 09:43 AM

Honestly, I think some of our prospects are being grossly overvalued. Right now this defense corps consists of two legitimate Top 4 guys, with perhaps Quincey on the edge of that.

Here's the thing... Cup contention or not, right now this team's got nothing in the way of defenders to help with a transition from the vets to the prospects. When you look up front, you've got guys like Nyquist and Tatar who are going to hold things down before Mantha and Larkin (hopefully) transition into solid players. Kindl and Smith should be the guys helping with that transition on the back end, but they're just not good enough. DeKeyser by himself isn't enough.

I definitely think Detroit has something in guys like Ouellet and Sproul, but who's holding down the fort as they progress? You can only pile so much on Kronwall. If you can pull the trigger on Smith, Pulkkinen and a 1st for a legitimate offensive threat between the ages of 25-30, you do it. I wouldn't go as far as to say that those guys are replaceable, but they are most definitely expendable. As much as I enjoy Pulkkinen's possible upside, he's more of the same on this team. We've got the smaller skilled goal scorers in Tatar and Nyquist, with Mantha on his way soon. Without coming down on the guy too much, I do think that Ouellet is more than capable of doing the job Smith is doing now, and has better upside.
 

It isn't about adding a piece to put this team over the edge. It's about adding a piece to make real improvements to this team so that they can remain successful. I'd rather not find out the answer to, "Can Ouellet, Sproul, Marchenko, etc. progress fast enough to offset Kronwall slowing down?" Waiving Lashoff was a proactive move by Holland, and I hope he's willing to make another one with some of the assets in the system now.




#2567226 Marchenko recalled from GR... Ouellet sent down

Posted by Jesusberg on 30 January 2015 - 08:33 PM

What's to know? He's been with the same organization his whole career. If he doesn't want to leave, you don't ask him to.

Shane Doan isn't going to hurt the team's rebuild by staying, nor is he going to bring back substantial enough assets in a trade to greatly aid in the rebuild.




#2567205 Marchenko recalled from GR... Ouellet sent down

Posted by Jesusberg on 30 January 2015 - 06:45 PM

Just another take on the Buffalo brass scouting GR games - George Malik brought up that Rochester has a back-to-back vs. Grand Rapids next week, so perhaps it's more about preparing for those games. Not to say they weren't there to scout GR talent, but that does add a practical reason for them being there.

As far as the OEL stuff goes, I'm not sure what would get Maloney to move him. I'm thinking it'd have to be a massive overpayment. I can't even wrap my head around moving a 23-year-old stud player as part of a rebuild - at least, not without getting a king's ransom back for him. I wonder if it's a way to get talks going about some of the other guys Maloney wants to ship out (Yandle and Michalek). "Yeah, that doesn't get you OEL... but let's discuss Keith Yandle."




#2567111 Franzen on IR

Posted by Jesusberg on 30 January 2015 - 09:13 AM

...how soon we forget.  We lost Nestrasil.  I know, he wasn't the best, but we still lost him due to overcrowding.  Jurco had exemptions, but he was obviously better, so Holland kept him.  Nesty wasn't a huge loss, but we still lost him.

 

Next year BOTH Jurco and Pulkkinen are out of exemptions.  We lose Cleary to UFA.  That's it.  Now Jurco and Pulkkinen are vying for one spot.  Holland WILL re-sign Nyquist, Jurco and Andersson (all RFA's) so that will leave just one spot.  It was minimal damage losing Nestrasil, but do you really want to lose one of Jurco or Pulk? Especially at the cost of keeping Franzen and his headcase here?  The time has come.  Either buy him out or give him the Pronger treatment for the next 5 years.  If we lose one of those two so we can have Franzen float around out there and peter in a few points and shots here and there, then something is wrong with Holland, seriously. Stop the bleeding somehow. Just don't lose Jurco or Pulk or ANYBODY else to roster overcrowding by useless players.

 

And, no it's not "fan speculation" on Franzen's head problems.  Its been said time after time, that he gets into funks that cause him to lose focus and have no desire to do anything.  The only speculation is what may be causing this...nothing personal Johan, just business, we need that roster spot.


What kind of math are you doing?

Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Weiss, Franzen, Nyquist, Tatar, Helm, Abdelkader, Sheahan, Jurco, Miller & Glendening make 13 guys... Cleary's spot opens up the spot for Pulkkinen. How did Tatar begin last season? As a healthy scratch, working his way into the line-up. There's no reason to suggest that the same won't be done here.

I'd even venture to say that the Red Wings could let Andersson go, letting Callahan or Ferraro take his spot on the roster. They've let RFA go before.