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#2568951 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 06 February 2015 - 02:43 PM

I agree with this, but I also think, "who cares"?  I mean, I don't really give a s*** if other teams and other fans thought Tatar or Nyquist were 2nd tier prospects.  The fact that other people don't rate our prospects very high doesn't mean those prospects aren't really good, or better than other people think.  You'd think years and years and years of churning out NHL players would get people hip to the fact that our prospects are almost always better than theirs, but if they aren't, oh well.  Sure it makes trading a little harder, but we rarely trade anyway, so no harm done. 

 

 

This is why I've been trying to stay away from a certain hockey forum (unsuccessfully lately, but it's the trading season). I generally keep it to myself, but it gets frustrating at times to see Red Wings prospects dismissed over and over again. Realistically, if people can't be bothered to look at Detroit's track record and see the value of some of these guys, then it's on them. It's still annoying, though.  :glare:




#2568649 2/5 GDT - Red Wings 3 at Avalanche 0

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 February 2015 - 09:13 PM

I literally left the room for 30 seconds to grab some popcorn, and come back to Ericsson punching someone in the face.




#2568629 So, Evander Kane...

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 February 2015 - 08:58 PM

Oh Evander...

 

Kane1_zpsdb9fae4e.jpg

 

 

"Hello? Evander?"
"Yes, this is Evander."
"We're awesome, aren't we?"




#2568627 Myers close to become a wing?

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 February 2015 - 08:53 PM

Jurco and Andersson are polar opposites as players. Jurco isn't going anywhere. Andersson should be traded for a 7th or waived...


Seriously. I'd be surprised if Andersson survives the "14th Forward Stand-Off" with Ferraro and Callahan during training camp before next season.




#2568608 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 February 2015 - 07:12 PM

 

You'd be wrong.  At most they would have "little" value, if they had more than "no value."  What your statement implies is that they could have more than just a little value and actually become a material component of a trade.  There is simply no way that 30 NHL teams are going to pass on a guy with serious potential only to re-evaluate the situation a few months later and suddenly ascribe material value to the player.  

 

If you propose a second round pick + a bunch of players that cleared waivers a few months ago, that is in reality just an offer for a 2nd round pick...and that simply is not going to get a player of Franson's caliber.

 

So, Jacob Markstrom has no value? I'd be willing to wager that he has some value on the market. At the very least, it's to a point where the Canucks have said they're not willing to deal him.

 

I stated in my post that I don't think those two pieces would be enough for Toronto to bite on. Going after Franson with Ferraro/Callahan and a 2nd isn't what I'm getting at. It's more going against the idea that a guy waived in October is going to be worth nothing in February. I'm not saying a guy like that is going to tip the scale a significant amount, but they can certainly improve upon their own value and be worth more than they were earlier in the season.




#2568598 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 February 2015 - 06:08 PM

Considering the kind of bidding war that may occur for Franson, I don't think that a 2nd + Callahan/Ferraro will be enough.

I do, however, disagree that players who pass through waivers have little to no value. At the point in the season that those two passed through, teams were moving forward with their own prospects and trying to see what they might have to offer. There's a much higher chance that someone puts in a waiver claim during the season than at the beginning of it. Not to mention, if a guy has a solid year, passing through waivers has little to no impact on his value later in the season.




#2568559 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 February 2015 - 04:25 PM

Franson turned down $5.5M(I believe) from TO, although I think that maybe that was just a kind way of saying he wants out!  I can see him getting $6Mish somewhere. Could it be here? Stay tuned!

 

It was 4.6, apparently. 

http://www.sportsnet...afs-cant-agree/




#2568555 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 05 February 2015 - 04:21 PM

Me likey... http://www.hockeybuz...p?post_id=66148

 

 

 

“I think what you always do (have to remember) is it’s called trade,” Babcock said. “It’s not Christmas, it’s trade, so you’ve got to give something to get something. What my job is and what Blash’s (AHL Grand Rapids coach Jeff Blashill) job is, is to develop players so we create as many assets as we can. Sometimes you end up with too many guys for one spot and you can make a move to make your team better. The general manager’s job is to weigh the current cost vs. the current gain vs. the future damage. That’s the decision time for every team in the league, not just for (GM) Ken (Holland) and myself.”

 

Not the whole window closing thing, but you know... the mentality of wanting to make a move. 




#2568411 Marchenko recalled from GR... Ouellet sent down

Posted by Jesusberg on 04 February 2015 - 10:31 PM

 
Doesn't that seem odd?  I mean, you wouldn't expect that the Wings would want Ouellet and/or Marchenko up in Detroit if they weren't going to play.  And, it doesn't really seem preferable to have them both in the top six at the same time.  Is one of Kronwall/Ericsson/DeKeyser/Quincey/Smith hurt or something?  It doesn't really add up otherwise, does it?


What Mabus said. With Mule on IR, they're only carrying 13 forwards right now. They promised Ouellet he could go on the father-son trip, thus the call-up.


#2568246 Report: Red WIngs interested in Franson

Posted by Jesusberg on 04 February 2015 - 11:32 AM

I didn't say anything about not likely rentals, I'm really not sure where you're getting that... I've actually said numerous times that I would like a rental, as long as it doesn't involve any of our high end prospects or roster players (unless it's Kindl or Andersson...). Hence, why I would do a trade for a lower-end prospect (Ferraro) and a second or third, but not for a higher-end prospect (Athanasiou / Pulkkinen) and a first. And that goes for Franson or Green or whoever...

 

Perhaps I misread some of your comments about hanging onto homegrown talent/waiting to sign guys until the off-season. My mistake.

Edit: You were talking about not moving Smith for a rental - must've been what I was thinking of.




#2567788 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 02 February 2015 - 10:17 AM

Personally, I think Green would probably cost less than Yandle or Myers. That being said, I don't think Washington has a reason to move him at the deadline, considering their success.




#2567664 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Jesusberg on 01 February 2015 - 12:01 PM

While I wouldn't hate landing Myers, I think I'd hate the assets we'd have to part with for him. I'm actually rooting for the Ducks to get him.

I wonder what the "two pieces and a draft pick" for Yandle are. If those pieces are Smith and Pulkkinen, I pull the trigger. If they're something like DeKeyser and Nyquist/Tatar/Mantha, I show Don Maloney that .gif of himself and laugh at him.




#2567661 Larkin or Mantha?

Posted by Jesusberg on 01 February 2015 - 11:34 AM

I'll take Larkin over Mantha. Mantha's the flashy guy, but I really think Larkin is built for this team. He's got "everydayer" written all over him.

I remember being so pissed off when Detroit drafted Sheahan - I wanted Etem. Shows what I know.




#2567573 1/31 GDT : Islanders 1 vs. Red Wings 4

Posted by Jesusberg on 31 January 2015 - 04:41 PM

Know what's great about the Detroit Red Wings this season? I'm never surprised when they score goals.

Well, Smith and Ericsson, yes... but you get the point.




#2567520 1/31 GDT : Islanders 1 vs. Red Wings 4

Posted by Jesusberg on 31 January 2015 - 04:13 PM

Did Weiss get knocked down to the 4th line for missing that pass on the PP?

Tread lightly, sweet prince.