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#2614286 Wings open to trading Mantha and/or their 1st Round Pick

Posted by GoWings1905 on 13 June 2015 - 10:37 PM

For an organization rapidly embracing a full youth movement, there doesn't seem to be much logic behind giving up Mantha and/or a first round pick. I personally don't buy it and hope Holland stays the course at this point. If drafting and developing is your thing, then you don't sacrifice that for Dion Phaneuf. Maybe three years ago with a younger Pav and Z, but not anymore. 

#2614280 Wings open to trading Mantha and/or their 1st Round Pick

Posted by Wingzman91 on 13 June 2015 - 10:27 PM

"Reporter" asks, " Would you be willing to trade the 1st or maybe a player like Mantha? "

'source' says, " Look, if someone wants to blow us away with an offer then of course I would consider it, I'm not doing my job otherwise. "

"Reporter" prints, " Wings open to moving 1st/Mantha. "

Fans use whatever scrap of evidence to support their personal feelings and the sun sets.

#2608350 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by DatsyukianDekes on 18 May 2015 - 01:12 PM

As the old expression goes, money /= happiness. Babs will be miserable for at least 3 years in Buffalo, they aren't even close to a playoff team yet.

Does anyone have Mike's email before he makes a decision, I want to send him this article and findings: 
Here Is The Income Level At Which Money Won't Make You Any Happier In Each State


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#2607997 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by Guest on 15 May 2015 - 02:14 PM

Many crappy players have their name on the Stanley Cup, as with coaches.  Don Cherry was a bit before my time as a coach, so I can't comment on his ability to coach. He's an entertainer now and plays to his audience.  I'm not going to judge him as a coach based on what he does now, not to mention he's like 182.  But I find his advice on this subject to be sound and based on personal experience. 

#2606636 DRW Free Agents / Salary Thread

Posted by Richdg on 07 May 2015 - 09:09 PM

Babcock is defense first coach. There is a reason for the saying "defense wins championships". because it is true. If the other team doesn't score you have greatly increased your chances to win. His focis is winning game 2-1 or 1-0. Go back the this past Olympics. Team full of the worlds best players and they played a puck control defense first system.

This was also Bowman's system. The left wing lock is all about reducing scoring. he threatened to tradeStevie Y if he didn't start to play d. Federov was the same way. Which is why he went from 120 point seasons to 80 point seasons.

Now if you are playing a defensive system to win, wouldn't you want to play the best defensive forwards? yes. Why have Z and Dat been stars for so long? Yes they score, but they are great defensively.

Now look at our prospects and their development. What part of the game takes the longest to develop? defense. What have most on this site complianed about? Our prospects "overripening" in the minors. What are they learning to do? It isn't offense, it is D. That is Babs/Hollands plan. Play good D or don't play here. IE Hudler and many others.

#2606774 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by Rivalred on 08 May 2015 - 03:09 PM

If he stays or goes I wish him the best.

#2430656 Rule 48: not working as planned.

Posted by DickieDunn on 18 July 2013 - 12:32 PM

That's what happens when you base your punishment on the result of the hit instead of the hit itself. An illegal hit should be punished as much if the other guy bounces right back up as it is if he's going to be out 8 weeks.

#2430586 Um, OK, not really sure this'll have the desired effect

Posted by Kira on 17 July 2013 - 10:01 PM

My hubby says it's the color of the belly of a catfish.  As he loves to fish, I'll take his word for it.  It is appropriate, I suppose, since a) They throw catfish on the ice down there, and b) One is a scum-sucking bottom feeder, and the other is a fish.

#2424870 Red Wings won't pursue David Clarkson

Posted by TheDetroitRedWings on 02 July 2013 - 05:38 PM



Well, in my eyes that's even more disappointing than not getting Vinny. I really wanted Clarkson, but looks like he's asking for more than Holland is willing to pay. Personally, I think he's the type of player we should overpay to get... For now I'm gonna stick with the "in Kenny we trust" philosophy, but so far this has been quite a disappointing day...

#2421912 Lidstrom or Orr

Posted by kipwinger on 24 June 2013 - 09:52 PM

Lidstrom, bar none.  Orr didn't play defense.  He had a good plus/minus because he put up a zillion points.  Tighter defense and better goaltending would expose his "offensive prowess" and his defensive numbers would likewise suffer.  Orr's over rated, Lids played in a time when scoring was harder, defensive assignments were tougher, and going "coast to coast" was almost unheard of.  Even then he managed to win 7 Norris Trophies and and twice as many Stanley Cups and he was a factor in every one of them.  Bobby was good, but score 150 going end to end against Weber, Suter, and Rinne.  Not happening buddy. 

#2421846 Lidstrom or Orr

Posted by Dave on 24 June 2013 - 08:02 PM

Except, no one besides Orr put up even remotely as many points back then from the blueline.  How come nobody else did that if Orr was just taking advantage of poor goaltending?  Is it because there were no other good defensemen back then?  Hardly.  
This argument is flawed, because to me if a guy dominates his era and is far above others, he's truly amazing and could have succeeded in any era with improved modern day training and equipment.  
Same thing with people who say that Wilt Chamberlain only dominated because he was so tall compared to others of his era?  Well, how come Bill Russell didn't easily score 50 points a season, since he was really tall too?  
Relative to their eras and their competition, Orr was twice as good as Lidstrom.  And I'd argue there were more good defensemen in Orr's prime than there were in Lidstrom's, as relative competition.  

It's the same reason Royce Gracie dominated in the early years of UFC, then proceeded to get dominated by the later generations of fighters.

Was Orr better than his competition of the time? Absolutely, no question. However, his competition is so far below today's NHL that his gaudy numbers would never happen in today's game.

Another good comparison would be Maltby dominating in juniors. He was way better than his competition, but he couldn't dominate like that against higher skilled players.

#2421991 If the Hawks win the Cup... (new license plate)

Posted by turbowhistle86 on 24 June 2013 - 10:31 PM


#2418788 2013 Stanley Cup Finals - Boston Bruins vs. Chicago Blackhawks

Posted by Dabura on 09 June 2013 - 07:10 AM

Bruins just swept the most dangerous team in hockey, limiting them to two goals. Two goals.


We almost beat the 'hawks in less than seven games.


I like Boston's chances.

#2418764 What would you give up for Malkin?

Posted by martinezsvsu on 08 June 2013 - 11:55 PM

its simple. if hes a free agent, go for him. dont trade for him.

#2418737 What would you give up for Malkin?

Posted by Richdg on 08 June 2013 - 10:24 PM

If they were going to move him-doubt it, I would give whatever they wanted. Malkin has and will continue to out score most of our forwards combined. He has 560 career points in 458 regular season games. In the playoffs he has 97 points in 82 games. That my friends is production. Proven production. That is better than either Datsyuk or Zetterberg. Malkin would be our best player and it isn't even close. At 26-soone to be 27, he has 8-10 GREAT years left.

On the open market he would get a 7 year (max) 70 million deal. If he resigns with his current team, they can go to 8 years. This is big. As for paying him, how much wasted money are the wings currently carrying? Bert-2 million, Sammy-3 million, Q-almost 4 million, Cola-2.5 million, Cleary-3 million. That is 14.5 million just on those guys.

But we would have to move our prospects. So? At best 1 out of 5 ever make it. Most don't. Nyquist, tatar, and Anderson will never produce the same amount as Malkin. Heck he might even produce MORE playing with his countryman and Ideal-Datsyuk.

Our issue this past year was O. Adding a 50+ goal guy fixes that overnight.


Now wil this ever happen? No. Holland doesn't have the stones for this type of move anymore. This would be a better move than when we traded Primeau for Shanahan.Yes Kieth turned into a great player-before the head injuries, but Shanny got us 4 cups. In the end that is what matters. Cups. Malkin makes us a cup contender. The others don't.