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#2263024 Johan Franzen Depreciation

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 26 February 2012 - 01:38 PM

I think you all know my opinion of Franzen so I will refrain from just bad-mouthing him. I will just say I really appreciate this thread and agree with the OP to the Nth degree!

edit: on a side note, the same can be said about Zetterberg. I do believe wholeheartedly that because of his back, he is on a downswing and will continue to get worse. I predict both of these guys retire because of health issues before their contracts are up...

He leads the league in GWG.

Close thread.

#2263008 Johan Franzen Depreciation

Posted by dragonballgtz on 26 February 2012 - 12:54 PM

Mule could be a 50G guy IMO if he played with passion game in and game out. It's like he has the Fedorov emotion bug.

#2262999 Johan Franzen Depreciation

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 26 February 2012 - 12:27 PM

The Wings have put together a great season thus far. Filppula has emerged as the player we knew he could be. The third line is starting to mesh into a real force, the type you need to win in the playoffs. The back-end has shown sparks of brilliance prior to recent miscues. Datsyuk continues to prove time and again he is the elite among the elite, despite having less help than most national media think he does. Even a down season from Zetterberg has shown speed and effort which I believe will see him closer to 70 points than the 62 points he is on pace for.

The real sore spot from game to game is the disappearing act of Johan Franzen. He has become a floater, getting away from the inside game that has made him successful in the past. His goals are not coming as easy as he seems to hope, coinciding with his lack of effort. For me, there are two categories Wings forwards have fallen into: 1) those who seem to put in the effort every night, pick up their linemates, and often seem to deserve more on the scoresheet than their linemates' play allows, 2) the passengers, the beneficiary, floating, showing little effort while allowing the first group to do all the work, often seeming to "pad" their stats on the backs of their more tenacious linemates.

For me, Datsyuk and Filppula have proven themselves members of the first group. On the flipside, Hudler and Franzen are prime examples of the latter group. Franzen in particular has shown diminishing effort and thus diminishing returns since his 11-year contract was signed at the tail end of the 2008-2009 season. Watching his work ethic, or lack thereof, game in game out has to be a tremendous frustration for Wings coaching and management, as it is for fans. After a decent start to his season, Franzen returned to his inconsistent, uninterested ways:

This season he is on pace for: 81gp 29g 31a 60pt (beneficiary of Datsyuk)
In the last 22gp: 11pts 7g 4a -3
If his current play continues: 81gp 29g 27a 56pt

Looking at Franzen's production and salary since prior to and after signing current contract:
08-09: .479g/gp .831pt/gp $1.15m
09-10: .370g/gp .778pt/gp $5.50m
10-11: .368g/gp .724pt/gp $5.50m
11-12: .358g/gp .741pt/gp $5.25m
Last 22gp: .318g/gp .500pt/gp

Based on his production prior to signing
The Red Wings are paying for: 82gp 40g 29a 69pt
Unfortunately, they are getting: 25-29g 41-60pt (based on slump-season)

And what about his playoff performance? To me, Franzen's worth will always be measured 60%-75% by his playoff production and effort. But in this "what have you done for me lately" league, what has he done for the team lately?

10-11 playoffs: .250g/gp .375pt/gp
previous three playoffs: .608g/gp 1.159pt/gp

Is Franzen on a permanent downswing? To me, he is not the player the Wings are paying for and hasn't been since signing his "major contract". He is not getting any younger, has always been injury prone, and even when healthy, lacks the strength of character to sustain interest and effort throughout a season, let alone throughout the remainder of his career. Is there anything that can be done to correct his attitude? Would you be willing to trade him? If so, what would you want in return? Could he be packaged to acquire an elite scorer (Nash, etc.)?

I'm not saying we should, or could trade him with adequate return, but the future is not looking fantastic for Franzen.

#2263062 Ericsson out One Month

Posted by Barrie on 26 February 2012 - 04:06 PM

With Ericsson out that'll cut down on defensive zone turnovers.

#2262980 Ericsson out One Month

Posted by blgillett on 26 February 2012 - 11:50 AM

There goes our chance at a Stanley Cup.

I think it helps our chances to win. I have a hard time watching Error-son making mistake after mistake

#2262883 Ericsson out One Month

Posted by Crymson on 25 February 2012 - 10:48 PM

I'm not at all sad.

#2262851 Ericsson out One Month

Posted by diehardredwing19 on 25 February 2012 - 09:56 PM

I know a lot of ppl joke but I think this effects the D much more than people realize. Quincey still looks nervous and Kindl and Commie are streaky at best. E eats up a ton of minutes, plays the PK and has been solid for the team. I know all the Ericsson haters will be thrilled but I think it will effect the team with the lines and chemistry....I think it's a loss
Heal up Big Rig

iam 110% with you. you nailed it(y)

#2261889 Just Say 'No' to Mikael Samuelsson

Posted by Hatchet Barry on 24 February 2012 - 12:16 AM

I just puked in my mouth. If this was to happen....man, wtf? No way in hell is there any truth to this.

#2261991 2/23 GDT : Canucks 4 at Red Wings 3 (SO)

Posted by Din758 on 24 February 2012 - 08:23 AM

I woulda benched franzen for a while after the whole lollygaggin to be back onside play in the second. get off the ice if you dont want to skate *******.

#2261988 2/23 GDT : Canucks 4 at Red Wings 3 (SO)

Posted by shorthanded on 24 February 2012 - 08:02 AM

Same feelings about Franzen. He uses his size along the boards well, but when it comes to making a play when he has the puck, he always shys away from any contact. It's hard to get angry at him, because he has scored many goals for the wings this season, but it's driving me crazy to watch him play like this.

If there is one absolute in late game lead protecting situations it's that Franzen should NEVER be on the ice. I have never seen a bigger, slower, out of position pylon and this is about the fourth time this year he has failed to defend against a game tying goal.

#2261837 2/23 GDT : Canucks 4 at Red Wings 3 (SO)

Posted by Nightfall on 23 February 2012 - 11:00 PM

That's the beauty of his acquisition. He's on our 3rd pair, but he is a bonafide 2nd pair guy. If there's one thing Kennys done well this year is build depth, we are in a great position going into the trade deadline.

I really don't mind Quincey and Erickson as the 3rd D-line pairing. Yea, Erickson hasn't been stellar, but I think thats a damn good 3rd line pairing for the NHL.

#2260663 Somethings brewin'?

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 22 February 2012 - 02:10 PM

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#2260657 Somethings brewin'?

Posted by xBflinker on 22 February 2012 - 01:49 PM

I have gotten that same feeling in the past 24 hours with the moves going on with the wings. It just feels like the Quincey trade was a precursor to something else. Maybe I'm just being hopeful that something more is going on but Kenny always seems to make deals that no one is expecting. Even though the Wings have been playing really well and have good chemistry the only thing that matters is getting it done in the post season. We can't afford to lose to the Sharks again this year! I'm sure Kenny has a plan and I do think there will be another move by the deadline.

In a related note my close friend works for the Maple Leafs and I'm not sure where he is getting his info from but he claims the Red Wings have submitted some sort of offer for Grabovski. Have no idea where he heard this and it shouldn't be taken to seriously but just thought that was interesting.

#2259855 Datsyuk out at least 2 weeks

Posted by ami on 21 February 2012 - 04:43 PM

losing arguably the best forward in the game isn't going to affect them at all?

sure. but you said quite differently:

any hope of finishing first in the western conference is now gone.

see the difference?

Wings have a history of losing their best players to injuries, they have a history of other players stepping up.

#2259842 Kyle Quincey traded to Detroit in 3 team trade (TBL & COL)

Posted by LeonardSankar on 21 February 2012 - 04:37 PM

So why are the Wings giving up a first round pick for a guy they drafted in the 4th round and then wound up waving for nothing? If he was that good to begin with they would not of waived him but now you give up a first for a cast off? Is Kenny Holland just feeling sympathy for Stevie Yzerman or does our team not believe in drafting in the first round? Brian Burke wouldn't of made this deal for God's sake!