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#2308006 Red Wings make contract offer to D Justin Schultz

Posted by Motown4013 on 19 June 2012 - 10:43 AM

Ya, I agree, but there is no better time than right now to rebuild the D by reloading it as well! I remember when two young rookies played together a long time ago...Konstantinov and Lidstrom, we didn't know too much about them and Vladdy was kind of small...the rest was/is History... disclaimer: I am not saying either of Smith or Schultz will be another Vladdy or Nick, but just referring back to win the team rolled the dice on two rookies...Even though they were already playing in elite leagues when they came here, but Schultz/Smith haven't been playing in too shabby of competition's either...

The reward far outweighs the risk IMO...I will say that I don't think Holland WILL do this, but I would love to see it!

It was a different game back then...size matters MUCH MORE nowadays.
I like Schultz and his game and I hope we sign him but we dont know what kind of player he will be. Anders Ericcson? Igor Grigorenko...sometimes there is much more pressure on rd 1 picks.


#2301510 Babcock and Holland want to keep Homer.

Posted by Motown4013 on 15 May 2012 - 02:22 PM

I tend to agree. he seems much better as a wing. One way to put back on the wing is to sign (acquire somehow) two new wingers for Datsyuk (Parise & Semin(cheap) just suggesting names) which will put Franzen back down with Zetterberg (where I think he does a bit better) and that'll put Filppula back at third line center pushing Helm back to the 4th sliding Abby back to the wing.

Parise - Dastyul - Semin
Franzen - Zetterberg - Nyquist
Bertuzzi - Filppula - Cleary
Miller - Helm - Abdelkader
Eaves (homer)

You could flip Miller/Eaves and Homer in and out I guess, this would cause you to lose both Emmerton and Mursak though...unless Cleary is traded (which I do not see happening...)

I cant stress enough that I for one do NOT want Semin on this team as long as we have Franzenfloat. He is lazy, underproduces, cant backcheck and would NOT fit into the system in Detroit SO unless he is willing to take a huge paycut and completely change his game, NO NO NO!


#2301229 Babcock and Holland want to keep Homer.

Posted by Motown4013 on 14 May 2012 - 10:14 AM

6'5 and 212 lbs isn't big? :blink:

Im with Kip...whats with the manlove for Gaustad? A first round pick is WAY WAY WAY too much to pay for a guy like this and people are STILL going on about him like we missed getting Gretzky. There are plenty of big boys with soft hands out there.....enough about Gaustad already!


#2299807 The new guys thoughts.....

Posted by Motown4013 on 07 May 2012 - 12:39 PM

Glad you brought up injuries. all of these guys are old, and older players get hurt more often than younger players. it also takes them longer to recover. That is very much part of their decline. None of these guys are going to get healthier as they get older. just doesn't happen. nicky is/was a freak of nature going as long as he did before father time caught up with him. kind of like Nolan Ryan in baseball. no one that age should be that durable and throw that hard.
The cold hard trueth is, all of those players are in decline. if you go and look at all the teams in every professional sport, the teams that make deep playoff runs and win championships have the majority of their players in the 27-32 age group. That is when men reach the physical peak, and have the experience to be good.

The evidence to our decline is starring everyone in the face. We just lost in the 1st round to the Preds. Other than Suter and Weber, is anyone on their team worth trading our best players for? Go through their forwards and ours. rank them 1-14. our 1 is better than theirs. Our 2 is better than theirs. Our 3 is better than theirs. Etc... yet we lost and it wasn't even close. They as a team were bigger, younger, faster, and more hungrey than we were.

As for money/FA items, keep this in mind. we have about 20 million overall to spend. We need to resign helm and Abdelkater. That will take around 4 million. Leaves 16. if Nicky returns, that spends another 3-4 million. Leaving 12 to spend. Even if we are lucky enough to add Suter and parise (spelling), we are at best the same team that just lost in the 1st round. Parise is going to have to have his career best year to offset the lost goals by Holmstrom and Hudler. Stuart and Suter is about a wash.

For the past 20 years we as a team have been smaller than average. but we were faster and more skilled, which allowed us to win. Now the league is filled with guys 3+ inches taller and 15+ pounds heavier that are as fast or faster and every bit as skilled.

Wow, you make blanketed statement with the age and injury thing
I understand we lost a lot of players due to injury but you cant just say that the team is old. How about Helm, Ericsson, Kindl, Mursak, Quincey and Eaves. ALL missed 10 games or more due to injury....average age...23.5 years. Kinda debunks your myth because from where I am sitting, young guys get hurt just like the old geezers...No question that it takes older guys longer to heal- It also takes experience on how to take a hit, when to press and when to sit, how to fall so you dont hurt yourself.
No doubt this team is missing a few key parts...It became evident as year wore on BUT this is also the same team who won 23 games in a row at home, setting a new NHL record and did a lot of things right. If this team is capable of that, we dont need a major overhaul. We dont need to look at replacing 10 people on this team in the next 2 years.....thats NOT gonna happen and it shouldnt. Key components with our core group and the Wings will be where they want to be.
PS Love David Jones? Bigger, Stronger, Faster, Healthier..No, missed 11 games due to injury. Just sayin'


#2299777 The new guys thoughts.....

Posted by Motown4013 on 07 May 2012 - 09:54 AM

But the problem is, all of our core are old. They are all expensive. How many will still be playing in 5 years? You can't add new expensive star players will keeping/paying the old ones. Look at the following:

Z is 32. his point totals the last 5 years are: 92, 73, 70, 80, and 69.

Dat: 34 years points: 97, 97, 70, 59, 67

Franzen is 33 5 year points: 38, 59, 21, 55, 56 why a guy that has never scored 60 points in a season is considered a premier play is beyond me. he was 69th in scoring this year.

Bertuzzi is 37. 5 year points: 40, 44, 44, 45, 38

Cleary is 34. 5 year totals: 42, 40, 34, 46, 33

Lidstrom is 42 (we share that....LOL) 5 year totals: 70, 59, 49, 62, 34.

Kronwall is 31. 5 year totals: 35, 51, 22, 37, 36.

Now here is the point. All fo these guys are on a negitive slope. yes some improved in 2011, but with the ages involved that is more likely a 1 time thing than a trend. This group is not going to get better. Only worse. All are signed except Nicky of course. In this day and age we can't just cut them either.

No I do not exect Z and Dat to get traded. To much attached to them. But if we where going to, now is the time. Wait much longer and they will not have much value. Looking ahead a couple of years, a team that is lead by a 38 year old and 36 year old, at C is not going to go well.

I understand your point and some of your arguements have merit, but these numbers are quite misleading. You only give stats for the last 5 year with no mention of X factors, like injuries, line mate injuries or other issues. You have Lids looking like he had a terrible year but dont mention he was a PLUS player (+21) this year and a -2 last year, Played 12 less games (and probably would have stayed out a bit longer if the wings had time) AND he was playing with a player in White that is a much less effective D-man than Rafalski.
Don't like those numbers...lets examine Bert. He has been quite consistant when it comes to numbers but he only but up 38 this year compared to a mid 40's campain...well, again, Bert missed 11 games with back spasms and a sinus infection. He played on 3 different lines with probably 8 different guys, He's a half point player a game...add 6 points in those 11 games that he missed, and he is just about the same as he has been the last 5 years EXCEPT that he improved in some areas..He was a PLUS 23 this year compared to a -7. He had the best shot percentage in the last 5 years and he was lights out in the shoot out. Same with Z and Pavs. Pavs missed 12 games...he could have missed 20. He played with Bert and a very lazy Franzen all year but still put up close to a point a game ( 67 in 70) when he was injured. Zetterberg had a horrid start but was more than a point a game, and dominated games once he got his mojo going. These two guys do sooooo much in the defensive end that their value cant be measured until you see them play.

I know people say stats dont lie...they don't........... but they can be presented in a way that looks good. You have to look at the entire picture and I dont think you did that.


#2296291 Dream 2012 Stanley Cup Finals

Posted by Motown4013 on 23 April 2012 - 01:25 PM

What a crazy Stanley Cup year! At this rate, i truly believe that anyone could win it this year!!!!!Its been fun to watch!


#2296286 Red Wings Report Cards

Posted by Motown4013 on 23 April 2012 - 01:21 PM

Hey LGW: I was thinking about how I anticipated this year as kind of a year of change with Raffy gone and Ozzie shifting the crown full time to Howard. Some players exceeded my expectations...some disappointed. Just wondered what everyone though? Anyway, I gave players an A+ to F grade, based on WHAT MY EXPECTATIONS WERE on the year for then. What were yours?
Thoughts?

Abdelkader, Justin B. I felt Abby got stronger as the season progressed. He had a few more points this year but he looked stronger on the puck.

Bertuzzi, Todd B- Todd was awesome in the shootout but he is still very proned to taking untimely penalties. He was hot and cold and about what I expected

Brunnstrom, Fabian D I was really excited when we signed Bruno and I kept waiting for him to show me how much potential he has but besides in training camp, I didnt see anything at all. He was a big disappointment for me.

Cleary, Danny C Cleary looked slower and less hungry early in the season, way before his knee injury was an issue. At times I thought he should be the guy sitting. He showed me some of the old Clears in the playoffs but he didnt seem to have the passion.

Commodore, Mike B I actually thought Commie was solid for us and I prefered him over Kindl. I am probably in the minority, but I think we missed his size and physical play.

Conklin, Ty E He was horrid. No need to berate the guy...his play said it all

Conner, Chris B- He was about what I expected except he is faster that I thought. I like his energy and his attitude

Datsyuk, Pavel A- Pavs didnt have a fantastic year but alot of that was his knees and his linemates. I hope next year we get him a Parise to play with! I still this Dats has a lot of magical hockey in him!

Eaves, Patrick ...I cant give a grade when the guy was out all year.

Emmerton, Cory D He didnt take a step and I think Mursak is a better player. I wondered why he was in the line up when there are other players that are better players than him. I dont anticipate seeing him next year.

Ericsson, Jonathan B I welcome the negs on my grade here, but I felt Big E took an important step this year. I remember when he got hurt, people were happy and I thought he would be missed much more that ppl thought. He was great on the PK and I liked his game, especially down the stretch.

Filppula, Valtteri A my 1st A...and it goes to Flip who was great and finally had his breakout year. He peetered down the stretch but he was so good in his own end and such a great skater, he keeps the A.

Franzen, Johan D- Lazy, streaky, disappointing, hard to watch. Franzen may have has lots of goals but he cost us a few as well. He IS the most frustrating person to watch on this team and I would not be sad to part with him in the offseason.

Helm, Darren B+ he works so hard, creates havoc on boths ends of the ice and we missed him a ton when he was injured. He didnt put up as many points but he does everything so well.

Holmstrom, Tomas B- I thought Homer did a good job in the role he played this year. He could have complained that he was stuck on the 4th line, but he worked EVERY SINGLE SHIFT out there and it made me love him even more. I think this is the last of the demolition man, which saddens me!

Howard, Jimmy A- Before that finger injury, Howie was in Vezina contention I think. He was a stud but never really recovered from the finger and groin problems. He came up with some HUGE saves for us, even though he was a bit flat in the playoffs!

Hudler, Jiri B+ What a turnaround season. I was very happy for Happy this year. Lead the team in goals and after a horrific year last year, he righted the ship. I dont know if he will be back, but I am glad Hudler was able to have a good season in Detroit!

Janik, Doug B No panic Janik ws solid when he came up...like he always is. He's a good guy to have in the AHL

Kindl, Jakub D Again, I didnt see Kindl take the next step this year and, in fact, I felt like he may have regressed, being outplayed by Commodore. Not sure what will happen to Kindl but he didnt appear ready to play full time with the big boys this year.

Kronwall, Niklas A- Nik had a good year, ramped it up on the scoreboard too. I think he has finally found his stride and a top 2 man in the NHL.

Lidstrom, Nicklas B Lids is always awesome and he was great again this year. You can tell he has lost a step and that his amazing stride is a bit slower but Id be happy to see him in the Winged whell again next year

MacDonald, Joey A- He was amazing when he had to come in, unprepared for Jimmy. he alos kept the home game streak alive for three games. Joey showed me that he is a legit back up for the Wings!

Miller, Drew B This is a tale of two seasons because Miller was red hot until March and then he lost his game. He was about what I expected although it was nice when the pucks were going in for him

Mursak, Jan C+ Tough for Jan this year with injuries. I felt like he was better than Emmerton but thats about it. He didnt make a leap at all and besides his speed, I didnt see a whole lot in his game to give him and more than a C plus

Nyquist, Gustav A. He needs to get a bit stronger and play a bit more with the big boys and this guy will find his jam. He didnt look at all out of place playing wityh Pavel and I hope he cracks the line up full time next year.

Quincey, Kyle C Too many turnovers, too many penalties. I have seen him play in Colorado and he can be a great D man but he had a terrible time with Detroit. I hope he figures out the system here but his arrival left much to be desired.

Smith, Brendan A This kid is amazing and he will be a great blueliner with detroit for a long time. I like his grit, passion and his big stature. I hope he makes it out of training camp...cant say enough about Smith!

Stuart, Brad C I thought Stewie was average at best...and crappy at worst. I think his heart wasnt in it this year. He took silly penalties and didnt seem to want to work as hard as he has in previous years. I thought he'd be better...but he wasn't

White, Ian B- He was great with Lids and terrible with anyone else. I thought he started off well and peetered out down the stretch. It was so hard to grade him because it was like watching two different guys. I hope he has a rebound year next year.

Zetterberg, Henrik A- He was fantastic down the stretch, amazing in tyhe playoffs but horrible to start. I have no idea what was wrong with Hank early on but he had 8 points half was through November. His crappy start stopped me from giving him an A but he was great in the second part of the year and like always, in the playoffs!


#2285845 WCQF Game 2 GDT : Red Wings 3, at Nashville Predators 2

Posted by Motown4013 on 13 April 2012 - 08:58 PM

I think E has been solid. I like his tenacity tonight


#2284655 I guarantee we win this series

Posted by Motown4013 on 13 April 2012 - 02:36 PM

PS: Get your own f***in tradition
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#2283111 Shea Weber fined for Zetterberg "headslam"

Posted by Motown4013 on 11 April 2012 - 10:42 PM

I have been in the same situation as zetterberg, getting your face smudged on the glass isn't fun but it isn't life altering like some people here think. All I am saying is that it wasn't that hard, can that make it through your skull?

The guys helmet was broken. Is that hard enough for you?


#2283106 Shea Weber fined for Zetterberg "headslam"

Posted by Motown4013 on 11 April 2012 - 10:40 PM

Hank initiated it. Yeah, Weber did not need to slam his head into the glass, but I doubt he'll be suspended. Bert had a chance to do something, but did not. Maybe he didn't see the play, but I doubt he would of done anything even if he had. This team is neutered. But there is next game. Let's see how this team responds. Here's my bet: nobody on Detroit get's in Weber's face. That's easy money!

Wow. Just wow....Take another look....Zetty is fighting for the puck and trying to check Weber off the puck....he didn't initiate a fight...he made contact with him.
Lastly, Bert did go after Weber but there was a linesman to break it up. You are neutered.


#2281499 Money On The Board - Playoff Style

Posted by Motown4013 on 11 April 2012 - 02:29 PM

Ok, Lets do this!!!!

$1 per game won
$1 for every goal Flip scores
$1 for goal from a defenseman
$5 for a shutout
$5 for a hat trick

Count Me in!!!!!


#2281095 WhatIfSports NHL Playoff Prediction

Posted by Motown4013 on 10 April 2012 - 08:50 PM

No kidding. Lidstrom would be old enough to collect social security by the time the playoffs finished.

I seriously laughed out loud at this. So true Harold! Poor Lids.....that's a lot of hockey


#2281085 200 posts for a Red Wings Round 1: Game 1 Victory!

Posted by Motown4013 on 10 April 2012 - 08:31 PM

Wings in six baby!!!!!!!


#2280620 Stand behind your Wings!

Posted by Motown4013 on 09 April 2012 - 04:42 PM

Best time of the year, no doubt. Perhaps being an underdog ( most " experts" are picking us to lose to Nashville in the 1st round) so....flying under the radar may work to our advantage.
Anything can happen...as hockey fans, we have seen it time and again.
Let's go Red Wings!!!! I want to still be cheering in June!