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#2176709 gritty players I would like the wings to sign

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 18 May 2011 - 07:33 AM

Well Drew Miller put up almost as many points in 66 as Konopka has in 195, so I would say that right there would put him as more valuable, he kills PKs, he goes to the dirty areas, and best yet, he doesn't average over 3.5 (per ten mins of ice time) minutes in the penalty box per game. Konopka isn't particularly defensively sound (not compared to your average Detroit center), at least not from what I have seen from his stats and the games Ive seen him in.

If you think a guy who spends over 1/3 of his ice time per game in the box is a good addition to a team thats your right, I personally think its a poor idea. As I keep saying if we can get a player that can add grit and actual scoring talent to our team I would be in favor, but no warm bodies who are only on a team because they can fight.

The best option for any grit would come on the blue line as a 6th/7th defenseman, with the high number of offensively sound D men Detroit has adding some girt on the back end wouldn't hurt.

Why is arguing Konopka's PIMs a relevant point? Konopka spent 3.5 (per ten mins of ice time) defending his teammates, something Miller did not do this season. Since most of his PIMs are from fighting (or 10 min misconducts from the refs 'settling the game down'), I can't agree with your negative spin on the stat.

The player you want won't exist on the Wings. There are only a few scorers who will fight (Lucic, Clowe, Stewart), and they come at a price premium. Also, these players would be encouraged by the Wings not to fight since they would be key offensive figures. If you think Konopka is bad in the box, try having one of your second liner's in the box that much. The argument for a skilled fighter contradicts your first point of too many PIMS because of the necessity of PIMs to fighting.

Konopka got 9 points this year playing with Trevor Gillies and Michael Haley (or Matt Martin). Think for a minute about those players and compare them to Helm and Eaves. Then think more about the significant amount of offense Miller adds above Konopka- it's not nearly as much as you think.


#2176148 Notable Restricted/Unrestricted Free Agents in 2011

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 16 May 2011 - 07:40 AM

Yes, because Konner knows everything :rolleyes:

The offer-sheet needed to sign Weber would cost the Wings four first round picks (two first round, a second, and a third if you believe Nashville won't match 6.5 million). Not only is this not a deal Holland would likely make because of how draft picks are valued, but Nashville would be crazy not to match any offer under 7 million. If anyone seriously believes Weber will be a Wing next year, I'll start taking that bet.

The only UFA/RFA's I'd like to see the Wings go after are gritty forwards/d. The talented players are going to be looking to get as much of that cap raise as possible, and there won't be many deals. Konopka and Peckham are two players I would like. As far as forward talent is concerned, Franzen would need to be traded.


#2169801 Game 6 Line-Up

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 08 May 2011 - 09:50 PM

Good leave abby in but tie his ass to the bench and let him get that stupid look on his face wondering what the f*** is going on!

How is he supposed to chip away at Niemi and Murray from the bench? :hehe:


#2169787 Game 6 Line-Up

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 08 May 2011 - 09:47 PM

i would put hudler and modano in. franzen and abdelkader out.

Has Hudler done anything this series? He hasn't, and that's why Abby will stay in the lineup.


#2169764 Game 6 Line-Up

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 08 May 2011 - 09:43 PM

i hope they insert modano and sit abby,what af****** bonehead penalty.

His hit on Thornton was key on Cleary's goal, but he does take many, many stupid penalties. In this series he's been better than Hudler IMO.


#2168360 Clowe suckering Abdelkader

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 07 May 2011 - 12:02 PM

The only person I'm upset with is the ref for grabbing Abby while Clowe continued to throw punches. Clowe would beat Abby 9/10 times, but I'd rather them fight fair instead of the ref getting involved.


#2168146 Changes for Game 5

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 06 May 2011 - 09:06 PM

I'd sit Abby and Hudler for Modano and Miller.

Abby>Miller.

Say what you want about his untimely penalty tonight, but he drew one more than he took.


#2167538 Wings in Seven

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 06 May 2011 - 05:31 PM

I'll believe until the Sharks get 4. I want more Red Wings hockey!

Exactely. I agree.


#2163687 Abdelkader

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 01 May 2011 - 05:32 PM

Some major scapegoating here...


#2160212 200 Posts...

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 28 April 2011 - 08:36 PM

How about some ugly double posts?

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Luckily the LGW no longer allows double posts.


#2153216 WCQF Game 3 GDT: Red Wings 4 at Coyotes 2

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 18 April 2011 - 11:58 PM

Good to see Patty Sunshine back out there.


#2149130 Los Angeles vs. San Jose

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 14 April 2011 - 04:43 PM

Saw this quote on another site. The first game (hopefully) will be interesting.

MURRAY: “We know it’s going to be a real revved-up series, a real hard series. Everything I read, from the San Jose players talking, it’s going to be a bit of a gong show, with fighting. I’m reading about Clowe’s bloody nose and Ben Eager all over the place and Mayers fighting. So we’re going to gear ourselves up for that kind of a game. We’ll keep Westgarth in the lineup. That’s the way they’re setting it up, so we’re going to be ready to battle.”




#2142254 Lines combos in the play-offs

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 05 April 2011 - 08:14 PM

One: Abby has barely played in the playoffs, and hasn't really been a factor when he has. A bit early to say he "elevates his play magnificently". Bert also not someone I'd think of as a clutch playoff performer.

Two: Top defensemen will be matched up against Pav and/or Hank as much as possible. Teams won't waste a top D-pair on a line centered by Abby. At least not on a team with so much other firepower.

Three: Abby, right now, can't score for s***. You can't expect him to produce at a top-6 level in the playoffs.

Four: Like every other 'phenomenal, unstoppable, can't-possibly-imagine-splitting-them-ever line' we've had in the past few years, they'll have one mediocre game and everyone will forget they ever even dreamt of keeping them intact.

Abby has 5 points in 21 playoff games- not bad for a fourth liner. Also, Abby has scored this season when put with skilled players. He was hot with Cleary and Modano, and he is now hot with Bert and Franzen.

Abby has what the team lacks- physical play.

Your example of top pairing not being used against Abby/Franzen/Bert is evidence for the line to stay together. If they will play against the third pairing d, than the line should definitely be successful.


#2142248 This years black aces

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 05 April 2011 - 07:54 PM

UK is the only one that'd like to see Tardiff. Who would want to see iFlip over someone?

Mursak, Joakim, Tatar, Smith, Meech and our goalies will most likely be black aces. Maybe even Nyquist :)

Tardif should be up, but I don't think he'll play (or should). He's been great (and patient) with the organization and should be a black ace to practice with the team and enjoy the atmosphere. This organization treats its players well, and Tardif has paid his dues.


#2141152 Coyotes or Thrashers to Winnipeg

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 03 April 2011 - 11:09 AM

Agree with both, especially Bettman. Also, I'd be in favor of dropping the league to 26 teams. The only players the league would lose would be the goons.

Edit: Again, great profile pic. I was listening to that album in the car tonight. I can't get enough of "Dead End Friends".

The goons wouldn't be gone. Most teams with 'enforcers' have better players in the minors. When you're fourth line plays ~5 min a night, that isn't a place for a player to develop. Further, the amount of skilled players on the bottom four team (financially) is low. Most likely, the 4th line players who don't fight would be the ones losing their careers in the NHL.