Mitchmac33

Im not phazed a bit. I love how this guy thinks he's the hockey authority. The funny thing is that there are way more than 3 shots. I can think of a lot of different ones:

1) slap shot (MacInnis)
2) wrist shot (Yzerman)
3) backhand shot (Zetterberg)
4) dangle shot (Datsyuk)
5) snap shot (Messier) 
6) half slap shot (Robitaille)
7) bat shot (Gretzky)
8) redirect shot (Holmstrom)
9) pass shot (Lidstrom)
10) chop shot [backhanded slapper] (Lemieux)

hahahahaha this cannot be real.  I'll go ahead and say 4 shots and separate the snap and wrist even though they are very similar.

So you get 1,2,3, and 5. 

4 = deke (not a shot)

6 = slap shot

7 = ?? baseball? I'm not quite sure

8 = tip (not a shot)

9 = pass

10 = still a backhand, but i could see allowing that one to be loosely called a different shot

Right, where did I say I promoted any of those threads?

 

I don't think he dropped the ball; Abby clearly elbowed the guy in the head if you watch the video from the angle near the benches. You can make all the excuses you want and complain about how other teams are getting away with hits, but at the end of the day it would never be mentioned if Abby wasn't suspended. I'm not going to argue that Shanahan has been perfect, because he hasn't, but I'm not going to whine about it and point out every trivial play from the past that he's missed because I'm upset that a Red Wing player was caught.

 

For the whole swearing in first grade example, I cannot tell if you and Wingsfan72 are either attempting to troll me or you just do not understand simple underlying concepts and so I will explain the reasoning behind my post. The whole swearing issue in itself is completely irrelevant to the topic of hockey. The focus of my example, however, is the underlying action "you tell on me, I tell on you" and this concept is directly related to the structure of this thread. Instead of being upset about the call and voicing your opinion to the league, you resort to childish antics by pointing out every other team's questionable plays and belittling Shanahan. Essentially, this is nearly identical to how I acted in grade one. I get caught for something, and then try and call out everyone else to make myself feel better. I am not saying you should stop or anything like that because if this is how you cope, then this is how you cope.

Why can't this be a thread for people to just vent their frustration with the lack of consistency among suspensions?  Who cares if it's due to the fact that a Wing got suspended or not? The fact is, the NHL has been completely inconsistent on the basis of their suspensions.  That statement right there has nothing to do with the fact that Abdelkader got suspended.  

On another note; how about Derek Roy's hit on Brad Stuart

He is average. But there are no options worth mentioning. Norm Miracle ain't walkin through that door.

I just don't understand posts like this.  Jimmy has been the rock that kept this team alive.  So dumb

For a minute there I thought I was gonna need a defibrillator 

Not gonna lie, I liked Big Bert out there tonight

 

I disagree. Detroit held the puck and had tons of shots but most were from the outside. Howard faced more top notch scoring chances than Hiller. It could have easily been 3 or 4 nothing going into the third. That in my opinion is why Howie stole it.

hard to disagree with either of you.  I felt Detroit controlled the majority of the play (especially ot) but the ducks got more quality chances.  Jimmy stood on his head for sure.

 

And this just might be the NHL's intention. To condition players so that they do not hit if contact to the head is a possibility.

So what would the NHL have Kronwall do instead of hitting Voracek? Try to poke check it away? Or just back up and allow them to break out and try to stop it later?  In order to take all hits that have to potential to hit the head they will have to take all hitting out.

I have played, I played from 5 till I enlisted at 17, stopped playing and could never pick it back up because of a broken shoulder I suffered in the service. So yes I played. That being said, I can look at a guy and determine if I hit him X way the head could be involved but if I hit him in Y way the head is less likely to be involved. Had Abdelkader tried not to make a HUGE highlight reel hit, and squared his shoulder better his head would have never been involved. The other issue I have is Abdelkader is famous for his s***, trying to make a hit, and it becoming a penalty that wins the game for the other team, look at the two times the Wings got bounced by the Sharks, both times, Abdelkader was in the box in crucial games and the Wings lost because of it.

I don't disagree with you, but you should know that your X and Y will never remain constant.  When two people are moving there will never be just two options.  

Edit: things change in the blink of an eye, so it's impossible to line up a hit with 100% certainty of the outcome.

My issue is this: In recent years in all sports the head seems to have become fair game, there have been a lot studies that show such hits can cause permanent damage, even if there is little or no symptom presentation at the time of the injury. The head MUST be made off-limits, and even accidental contact should be punished to keep borderline plays out of the game. A player should do the mental calculus before a hit to make sure there is no way they hit the head, and Abdelkader could have gone an inch lower to make sure his hit was perfectly shoulder to shoulder. He didn't, he sacrificed safety trying to make a big play, even though its clear it wasn't his intent to hit the head. And that's the exact issue I have, if it comes between making a huge play and jeopardizing someone else, everyone should be trained from a young age to let up and adjust point of contact. He didn't and the Wings are suffering now because of it.

 

PS if you look at most head shot threads on this forum I say the same thing as I am now, I will not be a hypocrite because its a Wings player involved. 

Not trying to sound mean, but have you ever played before? There isn't exactly time to always calculate where you need to hit people and how to adjust due to other people's movements.  There are times when a hit to the head is unavoidable, short of not making the hit at all.  

 

Because big hits are worth permanently injuring someone in a way that has been statistically shown to shorten athletes lives. I love seeing big hits Jolly, but come on, any hits, on purpose or accident to the head should NOT be part of ANY sport. While I would argue that the hit by Abby wasn't dirty insofar as there was 0 intent to go after the head, there was still head contact. Even RUGBY a game that you are ENCOURAGED to clock people, if you hit someone in the HEAD you are punished. 

 

 

Point of contact was Lydman's head, he left his feet to make the hit. This wasn't a clean hit.

There was one other angle that was played on FSD that, to me, showed him going shoulder to shoulder first.  Unfortunately all the clips on youtube that i've seen have been from NBC and didn't have that angle.  If anyone should find it they should post it.

Now go look at the breakaways Howard stopped...

Of course not, otherwise we'd be putting up 18, 33, and 96 as well. There are other criteria, but one of them is coming from a successful era. According to precedent, none of the players in the rafters have won less than three cups with Detroit. Bringing home a couple more would put 13 and 40 into that category. And given the current lack of raw talent on our roster, those cups would have to be won on the backs of Datsyuk and Zetterberg. To accomplish this, they'd probably have to dedicate the rest of their careers to Detroit, which only helps their case. Then we can legitimately talk about retiring their numbers.

But come on, how cool would that be lol.

I also want to say that I think if 13 gets retired, that doesn't mean 40 should as well.  I think 13 deserves it more than 40.

Did anyone contact Pronger?

I thought I heard he was too old at 26 to be eligible to win the award