I disagree. Detroit held the puck and had tons of shots but most were from the outside. Howard faced more top notch scoring chances than Hiller. It could have easily been 3 or 4 nothing going into the third. That in my opinion is why Howie stole it.
hard to disagree with either of you. I felt Detroit controlled the majority of the play (especially ot) but the ducks got more quality chances. Jimmy stood on his head for sure.
And this just might be the NHL's intention. To condition players so that they do not hit if contact to the head is a possibility.
So what would the NHL have Kronwall do instead of hitting Voracek? Try to poke check it away? Or just back up and allow them to break out and try to stop it later? In order to take all hits that have to potential to hit the head they will have to take all hitting out.
I have played, I played from 5 till I enlisted at 17, stopped playing and could never pick it back up because of a broken shoulder I suffered in the service. So yes I played. That being said, I can look at a guy and determine if I hit him X way the head could be involved but if I hit him in Y way the head is less likely to be involved. Had Abdelkader tried not to make a HUGE highlight reel hit, and squared his shoulder better his head would have never been involved. The other issue I have is Abdelkader is famous for his s***, trying to make a hit, and it becoming a penalty that wins the game for the other team, look at the two times the Wings got bounced by the Sharks, both times, Abdelkader was in the box in crucial games and the Wings lost because of it.
I don't disagree with you, but you should know that your X and Y will never remain constant. When two people are moving there will never be just two options.
Edit: things change in the blink of an eye, so it's impossible to line up a hit with 100% certainty of the outcome.
My issue is this: In recent years in all sports the head seems to have become fair game, there have been a lot studies that show such hits can cause permanent damage, even if there is little or no symptom presentation at the time of the injury. The head MUST be made off-limits, and even accidental contact should be punished to keep borderline plays out of the game. A player should do the mental calculus before a hit to make sure there is no way they hit the head, and Abdelkader could have gone an inch lower to make sure his hit was perfectly shoulder to shoulder. He didn't, he sacrificed safety trying to make a big play, even though its clear it wasn't his intent to hit the head. And that's the exact issue I have, if it comes between making a huge play and jeopardizing someone else, everyone should be trained from a young age to let up and adjust point of contact. He didn't and the Wings are suffering now because of it.
PS if you look at most head shot threads on this forum I say the same thing as I am now, I will not be a hypocrite because its a Wings player involved.
Not trying to sound mean, but have you ever played before? There isn't exactly time to always calculate where you need to hit people and how to adjust due to other people's movements. There are times when a hit to the head is unavoidable, short of not making the hit at all.
Because big hits are worth permanently injuring someone in a way that has been statistically shown to shorten athletes lives. I love seeing big hits Jolly, but come on, any hits, on purpose or accident to the head should NOT be part of ANY sport. While I would argue that the hit by Abby wasn't dirty insofar as there was 0 intent to go after the head, there was still head contact. Even RUGBY a game that you are ENCOURAGED to clock people, if you hit someone in the HEAD you are punished.
Point of contact was Lydman's head, he left his feet to make the hit. This wasn't a clean hit.
There was one other angle that was played on FSD that, to me, showed him going shoulder to shoulder first. Unfortunately all the clips on youtube that i've seen have been from NBC and didn't have that angle. If anyone should find it they should post it.
Of course not, otherwise we'd be putting up 18, 33, and 96 as well. There are other criteria, but one of them is coming from a successful era. According to precedent, none of the players in the rafters have won less than three cups with Detroit. Bringing home a couple more would put 13 and 40 into that category. And given the current lack of raw talent on our roster, those cups would have to be won on the backs of Datsyuk and Zetterberg. To accomplish this, they'd probably have to dedicate the rest of their careers to Detroit, which only helps their case. Then we can legitimately talk about retiring their numbers.
But come on, how cool would that be lol.
I also want to say that I think if 13 gets retired, that doesn't mean 40 should as well. I think 13 deserves it more than 40.
Posted by Mitchmac33
on 10 February 2013 - 10:50 PM
Where are these guys that you speak of? Suter ? We put a huge offer out for him..he was never coming here..he wanted to play in Minny..end of conversation on that one. Check out that link with the top defensive scorers on it. There isn't one guy in the top 30 that is head and shoulders above the rest. Alot of really good guys there but spending 10 mil a year on any of those guys is crazy.
What? Obviously the return on investement on Colo, Sammy and Gustavsson is still up for debate because they have been injured. Tootoo has done everything they would've wanted out of him so far..he's been physical, dropped the gloves and changed the flow of games when we needed it. Bert is what he is, 3rd line guy..10-15 goals a year..good contract..good team guy. Quincey would be tolerable if we didnt give up a 1st for him..that one hurts. Huskins was an emergency guy playing for peanuts and doing everything they asked of him. Get over the Parise and Suter thing..you don't get it..they were never playing here..we offered them huge money and they wanted to play in Minny.
I agree with Tootoo, he's been completely worth the investment. I think that Sammy signing was stupid along with the Bert one. I think I wouldn't have minded 1 year contracts for each, but I'm not thrilled about multiple years for both. And Bertuzzi is a 3rd line player, except he's playing with a top 2 line with Datsyuk.
My mind is full of f*** over this. He's close to signing, he's not close to signing, he disappears, Shero demands an answer, Pitt news is waiting at the airport for his arrival, he rejected Pitt's offer, he's coming to Detroit, he signed with Pitt.