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#2149733 Throwing an octopus at the Joe no longer allowed

Posted by CrimsonFlame on 15 April 2011 - 03:43 PM

You could make the argument that the enforcement of that rule is a violation of your first amendment rights. The throwing of an octopus is a symbolic expression of you wishing to motivate your team. The same way flag burning is protected under free speech.

#2149693 Throwing an octopus at the Joe no longer allowed

Posted by 8 Legged RedWing on 15 April 2011 - 03:01 PM

Just curious, this has probably been discussed somewhere in the 7 pages of this thread but aren't we a democracy? Don't laws like this have to be voted on by the people to get passed? Who other than opposing teams or Bettman really have a problem with this? I understand the civil fines and jail time when this happens in opposing arenas but at the Joe, how could the majority of people have any problem with it at all? Maybe I am just confused on how laws come to be and get enforced.

Regardless... as I said in my first post a few pages back, This isn't going to stop 60 years of tradition. Guarnsheed.
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#2149630 Throwing an octopus at the Joe no longer allowed

Posted by Konnan511 on 15 April 2011 - 01:56 PM

I don't know what magical land you live in but the NHL has no authoritative force over the Detroit police department. There are plenty of laws on the books that are selectively enforced or not enforced at all.

Great job missing the point. In my magical land I read this in my magical newspaper as i was riding my magical unicorn...Brian:

The Red Wings organization released a statement Friday: "The throwing of objects onto the ice surface is prohibited by the National Hockey League and persons caught doing so may be subject to prosecution for violating local and state laws."

Detroit Police spokeswoman Sgt. Eren Stephens said the incident violated city ordinance 38-5-4, which prohibits throwing objects on the playing area during sporting events. .

From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110415/SPORTS0103/104150429/Wings-fan-says-he-was-fined-$500-for-Game-1-octopus-toss#ixzz1JcSQ3C3W

So the NHL says it's illegal. The Red Wings say it's illegal. Detroit says it's illegal.

It's not a question of authority over Detroit police, it's the authorization of Detroit police enforcing the law.

If the NHL and the board of governors said it was illegal to wear hats in NHL sanctioned games, you better believe NHL patrons would get arrested. That doesn't mean the NHL "owns" the police, it means the police are enforcing the laws.

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#2149571 Throwing an octopus at the Joe no longer allowed

Posted by ACallToArms on 15 April 2011 - 01:12 PM

Why, thank you! Thank you very much!

And now, kids, for those of you worried about hat tricks, let's review the rules:

See? No worries. It's in the Official NHL Rule Book. Now all we have to do is determine whether or not the National Anthem, a Detroit goal, or the end of the game constitutes a special enough occasion that we can use this rule to get by with it.

I guess technically after the national anthem and after the game ends would be fine, since these are outside of official game time. I'd say scoring a goal during a playoff game counts as a special occasion, but they'll probably put a special "cephalopod" clause in the rulebook. Why does Bettman hate this team so much?
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#2149502 Throwing an octopus at the Joe no longer allowed

Posted by CrimsonFlame on 15 April 2011 - 11:44 AM

I was thinking about this last night. I don't think the story is true because even if Bettman passes some stupid rule, I don't think he can have people arrested and taken to court unless it's against a city ordinance. The most he could do is have you thrown out and have to pay a fine if you ever want to attend a game again. If they take you to jail and court and make you pay a city fine then there has to be an ordinance or law against throwing an octopus on the ice. So let's blame city council.

WAIT CONSPIRACY THEORY Bettman is working with city council to hurt the city of Detroit even more!
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