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#2555864 Jimmy sucks in a shootout Howard

Posted by Echolalia on 11 December 2014 - 05:28 PM

I've still been waiting for someone to explain to me how it's totally acceptable to call out Ericsson for a giveaway that led to a goal, but if anybody brings up Howard doing the same thing they're just a "hater/basher".

 

I'm pretty sure it was the same game too. Ericsson in the 1st period, Howie later in the same game.

 

Then of course there is this article about the quality of Jimmy Howard's starts: http://www.wingingit...-quality-starts

 

One of the stats....Really Bad Starts!

 

I'm sure you guys will head over there and tell them how it's all bulls*** cuz it's just a made up stat and all...

 

Anyway, anybody wanna answer my question? I'd seriously love to have an answer.

 

Of course its totally acceptable to call out anyone who gives the puck away and it leads to a goal.  Everyone does it reguarly in the GDT, including when Howard does it.  Hell, this whole thread was made to bash Howard in the shootout and here we all are.  As far as I'm aware, nobody ever bashed on you or your posts for doing that.  What people disagree with is relying on a "statistic" that is entirely subjective as an objective way to rate a goalie, especially when its clear that you're not interested in comparing him to the rest of the league, but rather trying to paint him in a bad light.  "Bad pass" was never defined, neither were a handful of other statistics that you came up with.  Who decides what pass is considered "bad" or not?  You?  And even if you came to some objective way to quantify a bad pass goal, there exists absolutely zero data on any other goaltender in the history of the NHL in these statistical categoreis, so any values that are obtained, whether objective or otherwise, still have no value because there's no way to define what's considered an acceptable range/poor range for bad pass goals or whatever else you were looking at.  Maybe Howard actually has the best bad pass goals against in the league.  But all you were interested in was counting how many times he let those goals in, and not determining how that value compared to other goalies.  As for the next part of your post, wherein you bring up "really bad starts" from that website:  Its a s***ty name for a statistic (and it also made me lol), but in the website they clearly quantify "really bad start" as "A performance where the goaltender failed to attain even an .850 save percentage."  That's objective.  Under their definition, nobody can argue whether Howard has a "really bad start" or not.  The author of that post is also using his statistics to compare different starts of Howard throughout a season/career and then coming up with a conclusion after the values have been analyzed. What he didn't do is come to his conclusion first, then make up stats to try to support his predetermined conclusion.

 

ANYWAY I think Howard's problem is just as psychological as the rest of the Wings at this point.  They all expect to lose, and teams that verse us in the SO expect to win.  And it shows in their body language.  We aren't seeing those creative dekes (or any dekes), and everyone is more comfortable just shooting the puck. I'm not a goalie so I don't know how to read a goalie's body language as well, but I imagine that Howard isn't playing the shootout with a lot of confidence right now.  Maybe that means he's playing too tight to the net, or he's trying to react instead of predict too much, or vice versa.  All I know is that he hasn't always been this poor.




#2555780 Jimmy sucks in a shootout Howard

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 11 December 2014 - 09:42 AM

What happens if Howard and Helm face each other in practice on a breakaway, over and over again?

 

The resistible force versus the movable object.   :lol:




#2555730 Jimmy sucks in a shootout Howard

Posted by Wheelchairsuperhero on 11 December 2014 - 12:18 AM

How about we score MORE THAN ONE FREAKING GOAL. Then we don't have to worry about it.

I hesitate to post this because I don't really feel great about continuing this thread, but a lack of scoring isn't an excuse for being poor in the shootout. We can't score 4 every game, we're gonna have to win a shootout sometimes too.


#2555728 Jimmy sucks in a shootout Howard

Posted by DeGraa55 on 11 December 2014 - 12:10 AM

How about we score MORE THAN ONE FREAKING GOAL. Then we don't have to worry about it.


#2555236 12/10 GDT - Maple Leafs 2 at Red Wings 1 (SO)

Posted by derblaueClaus on 10 December 2014 - 12:27 PM

If Bernier is in goal win it for him :

 

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LGW !




#2555196 12/10 GDT - Maple Leafs 2 at Red Wings 1 (SO)

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 10 December 2014 - 03:53 AM

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#2554809 Mantha getting closer.

Posted by rick zombo on 08 December 2014 - 11:32 AM

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=0ZD3Xkp8tlA This was a thing of beauty!

 

Proof that speed and time-travel are connected. Because I have just seen the future of the Red Wings. :bye:




#2554812 Mantha getting closer.

Posted by kipwinger on 08 December 2014 - 11:37 AM

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=0ZD3Xkp8tlA This was a thing of beauty!

 

Jesus Christ.  Don't ever move either of these two.  Ever. 




#2554747 12/7 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Hurricanes 1

Posted by number9 on 07 December 2014 - 10:41 PM

Surprise! We're good as f***!




#2554198 Brunner on waivers

Posted by luvmnger on 06 December 2014 - 01:52 AM

definitely! i'll second that!

wings got the cash...no alfie option...make up for the nesty loss.




#2554196 Brunner on waivers

Posted by martinezsvsu on 06 December 2014 - 01:38 AM

bring back the nyquist andersson brunner line lol




#2553976 12/4 GDT - Stars 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 04 December 2014 - 10:13 PM

A most sophisticated win tonight, gents. And gentle-ladies. 




#2553999 12/4 GDT - Stars 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 04 December 2014 - 10:40 PM

That's not very civilized

But he's wearing a monocle and top hat, and has a cane.


#2553650 Babcock "I don't think it will be my final year here"

Posted by marcaractac on 03 December 2014 - 09:25 PM

The only bad thing is, is that those who do want Babs gone won't realize how big a mistake it would be unless it actually happens. So I definitely hope to have the few Babcock haters to keep on hating and being frustrated for another 4-5 years lol




#2553649 Babcock "I don't think it will be my final year here"

Posted by krsmith17 on 03 December 2014 - 08:45 PM

Why would he walk if we win the cup?... I think if we get bounced early he may consider walking, if we have a deep run, he stays, if we win the cup, he stays. Personally, I don't think Babcock is going anywhere for at least another few seasons...