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#2681997 Frans Nielson signs 6 year $5.25m AAV contract with Detroit

Posted by kickazz on 02 July 2016 - 05:58 PM

Are you and the other guy really this obtuse? It's not about Mantha's feelings, it is about Holland's lack of professionalism and using others as his excuse, not to mention verbally degrading a potential trade asset. Maybe only someone who has real responsibility and graduated beyond paper routes, flipping burgers and mowing lawns would understand. 

It's sounds like it IS about feelings the way you put it. "If I was Mantha I'd want a trade". Blah blah blah boo freakin hoo. It sounds like you wanted a Jonathan Drouin 2.0 soap opera with the Red Wings. And what exactly happened with Drouin's situation? Jonathan Drouin looked like an idiot spoiled brat. Mantha clearly handled the situation well and didn't turn the it into a matinee of General Hospital like you were hoping for. 

 

If anything this entire situation makes Mantha look more professional. He handled it well, didn't overreact, and he came back to GR after Devallano's comments and had an excellent season. He even got called up and got to play with Datsyuk and scored some goals and made Grandad proud. And with a second bout of "criticism" from Holland, Mantha again, handled the situation without overreacting like a spoiled child and my guess is he will deter his critics and hopefully win a spot in the line-up 2016/17.

 

And if he does make the line up. If he does become a top 6 winger in a few years. If he does become the face of one of the most well respected organizations in hockey history.. It will be quite funny to come back and read your overreacting post. 

 

And I'm sorry, the last time I checked, in the real world when people overreact against management and authority, whether it's in the business world, the medical field or in the domain of law, they tend to get their ass lit on fire. 

 

So instead of being closed-minded and thinking of it through the eye of a Holland critic, perhaps you could look at it through Mantha's perspective? He's a first round pick that has a reputation to maintain and he chose the path of professionalism and poise. Good for him. 




#2681986 Frans Nielson signs 6 year $5.25m AAV contract with Detroit

Posted by Dabura on 02 July 2016 - 04:06 PM

I hate that Holland comment with all of my heart and soul. It's stupid on so many levels. It encapsulates everything that's wrong with the state of the Wings.

 

Just for starters (I'm only going to launch one complaint here, but please know that I could write an entire essay about this quote), "Why does anyone think he is going to be the answer in Detroit?" is a straw man argument, one Holland has trotted out before when attempting -- and failing -- to convincingly rationalize a decision to hold a younger player back, i.e. keep him in the minors when it's obvious to anyone and everyone not named Ken Holland that the player in question should be playing in the National Hockey League.

 

People don't want Anthony Mantha in the lineup because they feel he's The Answer. They don't feel he's The Answer. What people feel is that Anthony Mantha brings certain elements to the lineup that are sorely lacking and sorely needed, e.g. size, high-level vision/thinking, scoring prowess, playmaking ability.

 

It's like a Wings fan saying, "Thomas Vanek is 32, slow-footed, poor defensively, and he doesn't drive possession. He was at the center of a gambling scandal. He was bought out by the Wild (i.e. they are literally paying him to not play for them). Why does anyone think he is going to be the answer in Detroit?"

 

Holland didn't sign Thomas Vanek because he feels he's The Answer. Holland doesn't think he's The Answer. What Holland feels is that Thomas Vanek brings certain elements to the lineup that are sorely lacking and sorely needed, e.g. size...high-level vision/thinking...scoring prowess...playmaking ability....




#2681941 Frans Nielson signs 6 year $5.25m AAV contract with Detroit

Posted by kickazz on 02 July 2016 - 01:02 PM

 

Both, Holland more recently.

http://www.detroitne...yoffs/82866748/

 

“Anthony Mantha was a spare part in the (AHL) Calder Cup playoffs a year ago. Why does anyone think he is going to be the answer in Detroit?”

 

To me that is simply throwing someone under the bus and demonstrates a lack of control, and a CYA mentality. I can't believe for a second that is meant to motivate Mantha and if it was, KH needs to take 101 pysch course and a 101 management course. If any of us said something like this online, that's fine, but for a GM, that is absurd. And no, this is not the same as when Bowman would subtly play mind games to get players off their a$$. If I was Mantha, I'd be begging to be traded. A smart GM could see the potential of this kid in a better environment with the right mix of ways to motivate him to play to his potential.  

Yawn. Overly sensitive way of thinking. Mantha is a big boy and I'm glad he hasn't requested for a trade and gotten a boo boo over this. He seems to be taking it better than you have lol. Haven't heard him complain about much and saw his family enjoy his first goal in the NHL as well.




#2682000 Darren Helm re-signed: 5 years, $3.85m AAV

Posted by _SP_ on 02 July 2016 - 06:52 PM

The irony of Internet Unknown posting that amuses me.




#2681087 Alexey Marchenko re-signed: 2 years, $1.45m AAV

Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 01 July 2016 - 10:57 AM

Good deal for the Wings and for Marchenko. One of my favorite young players on the Wings.

I agree. I really like this kid. I get the same feeling with him when we got DD. Just feels right.




#2681063 Alexey Marchenko re-signed: 2 years, $1.45m AAV

Posted by romagoth on 01 July 2016 - 10:49 AM

Good deal for the Wings and for Marchenko. One of my favorite young players on the Wings.




#2681652 Steve Ott signs 1 year, $800k deal with Detroit

Posted by amato on 01 July 2016 - 03:37 PM

Ew. Not a fan of Ott but he does bring us some physicality. There has to be a trade coming right???


#2681561 Thomas Vanek signs 1 year, $2.6m deal with Detroit

Posted by TripleS on 01 July 2016 - 02:49 PM

Aaaaaaaand go.




#2681149 Frans Nielson signs 6 year $5.25m AAV contract with Detroit

Posted by F.Michael on 01 July 2016 - 11:20 AM

Hope this won't turn into another Weiss.




#2680647 Shea Weber for Pernal Karl Subban

Posted by Dabura on 30 June 2016 - 03:18 PM

Nashville wins. Weber's best days are already behind him, more or less. Subban is younger and, frankly, better.

 

Poile has basically undone the Seth Jones trade -- only, he gets to keep Ryan Johansen.

 

And that, my friends, is how you GM.




#2680469 Hall for Larsson - Oilers and Devils swap players

Posted by kliq on 30 June 2016 - 12:42 AM

I dont get why you trade a bona fide star, for a guy who COULD be a star. Maybe Edmonton wins long term, but I feel that there are better defenseman out there that you could have gotten if you are going to offer Hall. Bad trade for Edmonton.




#2679667 Drew Miller re-signs... 1 year deal $1.025 million

Posted by Dabura on 27 June 2016 - 01:06 PM

Miller and Glendening are possession black holes. Whatever positives they bring are outweighed by the fact that they spend all of their time at even-strength without the puck (often against top players, because reasons). You don't win with a fourth line that's "gritty and real good defensively." You win with a fourth line that's talented enough to be a third line and can devour other teams' bottom-sixers. Also, this is one less spot for a kid, which is always good to see. (yeah but thoes kidzn arnt real gud defensivly)




#2678679 Datsyuk Announcement to Officially Leave NHL

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 23 June 2016 - 02:34 AM

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#2678673 Datsyuk Announcement to Officially Leave NHL

Posted by kliq on 22 June 2016 - 11:12 PM

 

Well at least it's more realistic than keep saying, if X and X steps up this team will finish top 3 or anything like that.

 

Who said anything about them finishing top 3? If you are talking NHL or conference, I dont think anyone has said that. If you are talking top 3 in the division which is what they have finished 2 straight years, that is not by any stretch a ridiculous prediction.

 

Personally I will reserve any predictions or judgements until after the roster is figured out.




#2678449 Datsyuk Announcement to Officially Leave NHL

Posted by amato on 21 June 2016 - 08:16 AM


boring offseason 

Most off season excitement is centered around the draft and free agency/the interview period.. The draft and interview period both start this weekend.. This is pretty much the calm before the storm.